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If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

 
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
 Quoting: Salt


So explain this...

Why did "God" mark Cain for all to see when according to the Bible, there were only 4 people on the Earth at that time?

Who is the ALL would have seen the mark?
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there is nothing in the bible that states there were only 4 people on the earth at the time.

quite the contrary, actually.
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


Evil to him who perceives evil. Only the flesh can know evil. Therefore you're living in the flesh to condemn your brother in your heart.
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
 Quoting: Salt


If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ego has nothing to do with it.
my ego wants to be its own god.
as does yours and every human in the world
 Quoting: Salt


Ego never admits anything
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


People sure do some strange things to protect it.
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I there is such a thing as a Satan he needs God's permission for everything as we see in the story of Job

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So you must acknowledge that God is light and dark yet none and both
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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All religions must be tolerated... for every man must get to heaven in his own way.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
 Quoting: Salt


So explain this...

Why did "God" mark Cain for all to see when according to the Bible, there were only 4 people on the Earth at that time?

Who is the ALL would have seen the mark?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


there is nothing in the bible that states there were only 4 people on the earth at the time.

quite the contrary, actually.
 Quoting: Salt


It clearly states Adam and Eve were the first.

Cain was the son of Adam and Eve.

This is elementary stuff here.
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All religions must be tolerated... for every man must get to heaven in his own way.
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BINGO!
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
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God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I there is such a thing as a Satan he needs God's permission for everything as we see in the story of Job

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So you must acknowledge that God is light and dark yet none and both
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


d'oh, wrong again.

God forms the light and the darkness, makes peace and creates "calamity" - not evil...
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If God is a Spirit it is in all of us.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Jesus claimed to be God on two occasions......and the Jews picked up stones to stone Him for blasphemy.....but He walked through their midst. His time had not come yet.


Most people rejected Him when He was on earth.......and most continue to reject Him now.



He was in existence prior to humbling Himself....putting on flesh.....to go to the cross.


!st Coming.....suffering servant


2md Coming.....King. He will destroy the armies opposing Him with a Word from His mouth.
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The power and number of 3 is a great thing we seem to be over looking as well as the holy spirit.
Jesus was supposed to have been 33 1/3 years old when he died and there are three points on the cross as well as many other things you could see that relate to a third thing or item that we are overlooking in our lives that Jesus was privy to.
I would call the pyramids in one of those but it has 4 sides to it,but if you look at it from just one side,it appears to have 3 points to it.

what are we missing?
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Can I asked where you read about Jesus being 33 1/3 years old?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]


add the time between christmas ans easter....


i actually read it somewhere a long time ago and am looking for it,but i believe the jewish religion also talks of it.
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8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I there is such a thing as a Satan he needs God's permission for everything as we see in the story of Job

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So you must acknowledge that God is light and dark yet none and both
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


d'oh, wrong again.

God forms the light and the darkness, makes peace and creates "calamity" - not evil...
 Quoting: Salt


Depend on which translation you read your beloved King James version says evil
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
 Quoting: Salt


If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ego has nothing to do with it.
my ego wants to be its own god.
as does yours and every human in the world
 Quoting: Salt


Ego never admits anything
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

You listen to your heart and decide what love is just as this evil ole world tells you



Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I there is such a thing as a Satan he needs God's permission for everything as we see in the story of Job

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So you must acknowledge that God is light and dark yet none and both
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


d'oh, wrong again.

God forms the light and the darkness, makes peace and creates "calamity" - not evil...
 Quoting: Salt


Depend on which translation you read your beloved King James version says evil
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


i am a seminary student. we use mechanical translations a lot
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503
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This is truly confusing anyway you put it ,God is not a God of confusion this trinity doctrine is false any doctrine originally from God would not be discombobulating.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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Now why are you opening pandoras box again? :)

OK so here's my opinion.

Jesus is the Son of God and so are all of us, Sons and Daughters of God.

All of us are of God, all things flow from God and their is nothing else but God.

So in a sense Jesus is God or a part of God and so are we!

Thats the part TPTB don't wan't us to Get, the oneness, the unity, they want us seperate from our divine nature. They don't want spiritually wide awake people walking around changing reality on them!

But that's just what is happening, everyone is waking up.

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I there is such a thing as a Satan he needs God's permission for everything as we see in the story of Job

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So you must acknowledge that God is light and dark yet none and both
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


d'oh, wrong again.

God forms the light and the darkness, makes peace and creates "calamity" - not evil...
 Quoting: Salt


Depend on which translation you read your beloved King James version says evil
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


i am a seminary student. we use mechanical translations a lot
 Quoting: Salt


I'm a theologian and philosopher
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise
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ego has nothing to do with it.
my ego wants to be its own god.
as does yours and every human in the world
 Quoting: Salt


Ego never admits anything
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

You listen to your heart and decide what love is just as this evil ole world tells you



Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


The Kingdom is within
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Because the "bible" you read is the version that was altered by Constantine. Go to www.reluctant-messenger.com to read unaltered original documents from all the major religions.
Thousands and thousands of pages for research.

"Jesus" wasn't his real name.
Mary (his mother) became a virgin 1600 years later when the Catholic church wanted virgins to marry. (Then they taught the little girls that if you are a virgin, then you may be the one chosen for the second birth of Jesus. l was Catholic and was taught this.)

Joseph was also visited by an "angel" and told to have sex with Mary before they were married.

The original "Christians" were known as the "Yahoos", and were 100% against "organized religion".

Interesting when you find out what was actually written.
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All of us have the spirit of God in us
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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ego has nothing to do with it.
my ego wants to be its own god.
as does yours and every human in the world
 Quoting: Salt


Ego never admits anything
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

You listen to your heart and decide what love is just as this evil ole world tells you



Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


The Kingdom is within
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

And you are without the Kingdom
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503
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This is truly confusing anyway you put it ,God is not a God of confusion this trinity doctrine is false any doctrine originally from God would not be discombobulating.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ITS confusing because your seeking to understand the nature of GOD.. how he is made up. Noone can begin to imagine how GOD looks like or his being. The doctrine of trinity is like a way you would explain something to a child.
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its confusing for him because he is a muslim and has been trained to believe otherwise.
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
 Quoting: Salt


So explain this...

Why did "God" mark Cain for all to see when according to the Bible, there were only 4 people on the Earth at that time?

Who is the ALL would have seen the mark?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


there is nothing in the bible that states there were only 4 people on the earth at the time.

quite the contrary, actually.
 Quoting: Salt


It clearly states Adam and Eve were the first.

Cain was the son of Adam and Eve.

This is elementary stuff here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


Interesting that you skipped over this question like it wasn't even there.
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So explain this...

Why did "God" mark Cain for all to see when according to the Bible, there were only 4 people on the Earth at that time?

Who is the ALL would have seen the mark?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


there is nothing in the bible that states there were only 4 people on the earth at the time.

quite the contrary, actually.
 Quoting: Salt


It clearly states Adam and Eve were the first.

Cain was the son of Adam and Eve.

This is elementary stuff here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


Interesting that you skipped over this question like it wasn't even there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


Or is that a little too much LOGIC for ya?
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Christ and the Father are made of the same spirit. Christ was given control over everything under creation.

To answer your question:

Christ can know the answer if he wishes but if he knew then he would tell us. He says this several times in the bible.

The Father does not want the enemy to know when this will happen so he keeps all this information to Himself.

I hope this helps.

(I only post, I do not reply)
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skipped over which question?
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skipped over which question?
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You claim there were more than 4 people on the planet at that time.

How?
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503
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This is truly confusing anyway you put it ,God is not a God of confusion this trinity doctrine is false any doctrine originally from God would not be discombobulating.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ITS confusing because your seeking to understand the nature of GOD.. how he is made up. Noone can begin to imagine how GOD looks like or his being. The doctrine of trinity is like a way you would explain something to a child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic signs of a false doctrine no one can know but a select few

God is not a God of confusion
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85

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