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If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

 
Aleph Tav

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its confusing for him because he is a muslim and has been trained to believe otherwise.
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I am no Muslim I am all religions and no religions
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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All of us have the spirit of God in us
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


All people like you and Charlie Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer?

Sounds more like you have the spirit of satan in you

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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Christ: "Marvel not, you must be born again."


"Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow Me."


"No one comes to the Father except through Me."
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503
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This is truly confusing anyway you put it ,God is not a God of confusion this trinity doctrine is false any doctrine originally from God would not be discombobulating.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ITS confusing because your seeking to understand the nature of GOD.. how he is made up. Noone can begin to imagine how GOD looks like or his being. The doctrine of trinity is like a way you would explain something to a child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic signs of a false doctrine no one can know but a select few

God is not a God of confusion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Theirs is.
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Not quite correct.
There are THREE "gods" in the first two chapters of Genesis.

The CREATOR
The "Lord God"... the group of them
and the "Lord"...the overseer. The blood sacrifice was to please the OVERSEER. The guy people call Jesus (not his real name) hated the blood sacrifice.

The "Christian Bible"..and ALL versions of it, are based upon the work of Constantine and his 60 pagan priests that he made the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church.

When you find out the TRUTH, it will shake you to the core.
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Ego never admits anything
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

You listen to your heart and decide what love is just as this evil ole world tells you



Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


The Kingdom is within
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

And you are without the Kingdom
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


What is a kingdom?
Simply the domain of the king

who is the King?
The creator of this universe ,God


Am I in this kingdom?
Yes God is omnipresent his domain is everywhere at the same time hence omnipresent
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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its confusing for him because he is a muslim and has been trained to believe otherwise.
 Quoting: Salt


I am no Muslim I am all religions and no religions
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Sounds like you are just another fizzle on the broad road to hell
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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skipped over which question?
 Quoting: Salt


You claim there were more than 4 people on the planet at that time.

How?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


its a long explanation, but basically there were many many other children having children since and after Cain. the way the math works out, there were at a very minimum 5000 other grown people and the maximum thousands more than that.

remember, people lived to be hundreds of years old.
population growth was rapid, very rapid.

here is a link that might help:
Observations about population growth

The fact that Cain, the son of Adam, built a city tells us much about the increase in population in the early history of mankind. If a city was built in the lifetime of a son of the very first man, it follows that population grew rapidly and was quickly civilized (in contrast to the views of evolutionists).

God had commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce and fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). Men in that time, before the flood, lived to great ages (see chapter 5). Adam, for example, lived to be 930 years old before he died (5:5), and most of his descendants before the flood lived about 900 years. If there are no gaps in the genealogies, this means Adam would have been alive following the birth of Lamech, father of Noah, 8 generations later! Hence, although they eventually died, people lived many years before they died. This greatly multiplied the number of people living on earth because, at any one time, there were many generations still living.

Further, men were capable of having many children, and large families were common. Noah was having children at age 500 (5:32). All men in chap. 5 are recorded as having "sons and daughters." In such long lifetimes with long periods of fertility, many children could be born.

Using conservative estimates, Morris estimates (p. 143) that, by the time Cain died, there could easily have been 120,000 people on the earth (certainly enough for there to be cities). By the time of Noah there could easily have been seven billion - more than on earth today! Do not think of Cain, Adam, and other such people as walking around on a bare, lonesome, uninhabited earth. The obeyed God's command to reproduce and fill the earth.

[link to www.gospelway.com]
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503
'
This is truly confusing anyway you put it ,God is not a God of confusion this trinity doctrine is false any doctrine originally from God would not be discombobulating.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ITS confusing because your seeking to understand the nature of GOD.. how he is made up. Noone can begin to imagine how GOD looks like or his being. The doctrine of trinity is like a way you would explain something to a child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic signs of a false doctrine no one can know but a select few

God is not a God of confusion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Nevermind.. i didnt know you was a muslim
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All of us have the spirit of God in us
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


All people like you and Charlie Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer?

Sounds more like you have the spirit of satan in you

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


If there is a "Satan" he hasno power unless he ask God as we see in the story of Job.

Would you agree that God is omnipresent?
keep in mind you can't be part everwhere)
Would you agree that God is a spirit?

The God's spirit is present in all of us.It's quite simply really
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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This is truly confusing anyway you put it ,God is not a God of confusion this trinity doctrine is false any doctrine originally from God would not be discombobulating.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ITS confusing because your seeking to understand the nature of GOD.. how he is made up. Noone can begin to imagine how GOD looks like or his being. The doctrine of trinity is like a way you would explain something to a child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic signs of a false doctrine no one can know but a select few

God is not a God of confusion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Nevermind.. i didnt know you was a muslim
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


I am no Muslim,don't listen to void slander I am all religions and no religions
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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its confusing for him because he is a muslim and has been trained to believe otherwise.
 Quoting: Salt


I am no Muslim I am all religions and no religions
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Sounds like you are just another fizzle on the broad road to hell
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


As a man thinketh..so is he

The only sheol is the one you create

More power to your ego

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 03:11 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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ITS confusing because your seeking to understand the nature of GOD.. how he is made up. Noone can begin to imagine how GOD looks like or his being. The doctrine of trinity is like a way you would explain something to a child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic signs of a false doctrine no one can know but a select few

God is not a God of confusion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Nevermind.. i didnt know you was a muslim
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


I am no Muslim,don't listen to void slander I am all religions and no religions
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


ok nevermind that then
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skipped over which question?
 Quoting: Salt


You claim there were more than 4 people on the planet at that time.

How?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


its a long explanation, but basically there were many many other children having children since and after Cain. the way the math works out, there were at a very minimum 5000 other grown people and the maximum thousands more than that.

remember, people lived to be hundreds of years old.
population growth was rapid, very rapid.

here is a link that might help:
Observations about population growth

The fact that Cain, the son of Adam, built a city tells us much about the increase in population in the early history of mankind. If a city was built in the lifetime of a son of the very first man, it follows that population grew rapidly and was quickly civilized (in contrast to the views of evolutionists).

God had commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce and fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). Men in that time, before the flood, lived to great ages (see chapter 5). Adam, for example, lived to be 930 years old before he died (5:5), and most of his descendants before the flood lived about 900 years. If there are no gaps in the genealogies, this means Adam would have been alive following the birth of Lamech, father of Noah, 8 generations later! Hence, although they eventually died, people lived many years before they died. This greatly multiplied the number of people living on earth because, at any one time, there were many generations still living.

Further, men were capable of having many children, and large families were common. Noah was having children at age 500 (5:32). All men in chap. 5 are recorded as having "sons and daughters." In such long lifetimes with long periods of fertility, many children could be born.

Using conservative estimates, Morris estimates (p. 143) that, by the time Cain died, there could easily have been 120,000 people on the earth (certainly enough for there to be cities). By the time of Noah there could easily have been seven billion - more than on earth today! Do not think of Cain, Adam, and other such people as walking around on a bare, lonesome, uninhabited earth. The obeyed God's command to reproduce and fill the earth.

[link to www.gospelway.com]
 Quoting: Salt


You're dancing around the question.

We're not debating if there were others when Cain died. We are debating if and how many others were there when Cain was marked by God, and how that's possible considering they were the first sons of Adam and Eve.

How old was Cain when he killed his brother and was marked by God?
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You listen to your heart and decide what love is just as this evil ole world tells you



Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


The Kingdom is within
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

And you are without the Kingdom
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


What is a kingdom?
Simply the domain of the king

who is the King?
The creator of this universe ,God


Am I in this kingdom?
Yes God is omnipresent his domain is everywhere at the same time hence omnipresent
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Sounds like you are being ruled by satan(god of this world) and work for his kingdom

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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Listen, the bible says Jesus is the son of God. He isn't God. They are father and son.
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1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


the bit I bolded above and the entirety of the verse that follows (1 John 5:8) are not a part of any of the ancient manuscripts and doesn't show up until the Roman Catholic Church added it to the Latin to try to help establish pagan ideas within the church


"The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic) except the Latin; and it is not found in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullian Cyprian Augustine), or in the Vulgate as issued by Jerome and revised by Alcuin. The first reliable Latin text to contain it was written in AD 550. In the revised Greek text underlying the modern versions, 1Jo 5:7 (the Johannine "comma") and all reference to a trinity is obliterated."
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I'm sure you don't really expect or want an answer, but there is a lengthy one here:


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skipped over which question?
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You claim there were more than 4 people on the planet at that time.

How?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


its a long explanation, but basically there were many many other children having children since and after Cain. the way the math works out, there were at a very minimum 5000 other grown people and the maximum thousands more than that.

remember, people lived to be hundreds of years old.
population growth was rapid, very rapid.

here is a link that might help:
Observations about population growth

The fact that Cain, the son of Adam, built a city tells us much about the increase in population in the early history of mankind. If a city was built in the lifetime of a son of the very first man, it follows that population grew rapidly and was quickly civilized (in contrast to the views of evolutionists).

God had commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce and fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). Men in that time, before the flood, lived to great ages (see chapter 5). Adam, for example, lived to be 930 years old before he died (5:5), and most of his descendants before the flood lived about 900 years. If there are no gaps in the genealogies, this means Adam would have been alive following the birth of Lamech, father of Noah, 8 generations later! Hence, although they eventually died, people lived many years before they died. This greatly multiplied the number of people living on earth because, at any one time, there were many generations still living.

Further, men were capable of having many children, and large families were common. Noah was having children at age 500 (5:32). All men in chap. 5 are recorded as having "sons and daughters." In such long lifetimes with long periods of fertility, many children could be born.

Using conservative estimates, Morris estimates (p. 143) that, by the time Cain died, there could easily have been 120,000 people on the earth (certainly enough for there to be cities). By the time of Noah there could easily have been seven billion - more than on earth today! Do not think of Cain, Adam, and other such people as walking around on a bare, lonesome, uninhabited earth. The obeyed God's command to reproduce and fill the earth.

[link to www.gospelway.com]
 Quoting: Salt


You're dancing around the question.

We're not debating if there were others when Cain died. We are debating if and how many others were there when Cain was marked by God, and how that's possible considering they were the first sons of Adam and Eve.

How old was Cain when he killed his brother and was marked by God?
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the question has been answered Logun 5.
the question has been answered.
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its confusing for him because he is a muslim and has been trained to believe otherwise.
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I am no Muslim I am all religions and no religions
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Sounds like you are just another fizzle on the broad road to hell
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


As a man thinketh..so is he

The only sheol is the one you create

More power to your ego
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


oh i see. your a gnostic. the new world order religion. Dont say your not i know you... gl
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The Kingdom is within
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

And you are without the Kingdom
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


What is a kingdom?
Simply the domain of the king

who is the King?
The creator of this universe ,God


Am I in this kingdom?
Yes God is omnipresent his domain is everywhere at the same time hence omnipresent

Sounds like you are being ruled by satan(god of this world) and work for his kingdom

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blin
 Quoting: Aleph Tav
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


So you do agree God isn't a spirit
and is not omnipresent.

And You can think whatever you want more power to your ego driven
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997
but remember your reality is not reality's reality

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 03:14 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Not quite correct.
There are THREE "gods" in the first two chapters of Genesis.

The CREATOR
The "Lord God"... the group of them
and the "Lord"...the overseer. The blood sacrifice was to please the OVERSEER. The guy people call Jesus (not his real name) hated the blood sacrifice.

The "Christian Bible"..and ALL versions of it, are based upon the work of Constantine and his 60 pagan priests that he made the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church.

When you find out the TRUTH, it will shake you to the core.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24843780


Elohim means "mighty ones"

in Genesis, the reference is to the angels who are the "workers" of God

they are in the image of God and so are we

the Bible describes a long process---the process of making angels
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Elohim is NOT plural in its usage in Genesis.
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You claim there were more than 4 people on the planet at that time.

How?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


its a long explanation, but basically there were many many other children having children since and after Cain. the way the math works out, there were at a very minimum 5000 other grown people and the maximum thousands more than that.

remember, people lived to be hundreds of years old.
population growth was rapid, very rapid.

here is a link that might help:
Observations about population growth

The fact that Cain, the son of Adam, built a city tells us much about the increase in population in the early history of mankind. If a city was built in the lifetime of a son of the very first man, it follows that population grew rapidly and was quickly civilized (in contrast to the views of evolutionists).

God had commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce and fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). Men in that time, before the flood, lived to great ages (see chapter 5). Adam, for example, lived to be 930 years old before he died (5:5), and most of his descendants before the flood lived about 900 years. If there are no gaps in the genealogies, this means Adam would have been alive following the birth of Lamech, father of Noah, 8 generations later! Hence, although they eventually died, people lived many years before they died. This greatly multiplied the number of people living on earth because, at any one time, there were many generations still living.

Further, men were capable of having many children, and large families were common. Noah was having children at age 500 (5:32). All men in chap. 5 are recorded as having "sons and daughters." In such long lifetimes with long periods of fertility, many children could be born.

Using conservative estimates, Morris estimates (p. 143) that, by the time Cain died, there could easily have been 120,000 people on the earth (certainly enough for there to be cities). By the time of Noah there could easily have been seven billion - more than on earth today! Do not think of Cain, Adam, and other such people as walking around on a bare, lonesome, uninhabited earth. The obeyed God's command to reproduce and fill the earth.

[link to www.gospelway.com]
 Quoting: Salt


You're dancing around the question.

We're not debating if there were others when Cain died. We are debating if and how many others were there when Cain was marked by God, and how that's possible considering they were the first sons of Adam and Eve.

How old was Cain when he killed his brother and was marked by God?
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the question has been answered Logun 5.
the question has been answered.
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No where in that post did you address that question.

Go back and read it again, it's not there.

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I am no Muslim I am all religions and no religions
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Sounds like you are just another fizzle on the broad road to hell
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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As a man thinketh..so is he

The only sheol is the one you create

More power to your ego
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oh i see. your a gnostic. the new world order religion. Dont say your not i know you... gl
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I stated my religion several times and no I'm not Gnostic I am all religions and no religions
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its confusing for him because he is a muslim and has been trained to believe otherwise.
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I am no Muslim I am all religions and no religions
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Sounds like you are just another fizzle on the broad road to hell
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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As a man thinketh..so is he

The only sheol is the one you create

More power to your ego
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I didnt create hell your ego is gonna send you there though.
I don't give you mine own words either but quote you scripture, you cant say the same
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
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Not quite correct.
There are THREE "gods" in the first two chapters of Genesis.

The CREATOR
The "Lord God"... the group of them
and the "Lord"...the overseer. The blood sacrifice was to please the OVERSEER. The guy people call Jesus (not his real name) hated the blood sacrifice.

The "Christian Bible"..and ALL versions of it, are based upon the work of Constantine and his 60 pagan priests that he made the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church.

When you find out the TRUTH, it will shake you to the core.
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Elohim means "mighty ones"

in Genesis, the reference is to the angels who are the "workers" of God

they are in the image of God and so are we

the Bible describes a long process---the process of making angels
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"MIGHTY ONE"...not mighty ones . Dont twist things to your liking
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I am no Muslim I am all religions and no religions
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Sounds like you are just another fizzle on the broad road to hell
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


As a man thinketh..so is he

The only sheol is the one you create

More power to your ego
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

I didnt create hell your ego is gonna send you there though.
I don't give you mine own words either but quote you scripture, you cant say the same
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Who created Hell?
If it is God
What eternal torture methods does he use

does one of the torture methods include dunking your head in water until you drown or tearing your eyeballs out and putting hot sauce on it or what about plucking your teeth out one by one. Sound like the perfect punishment it definitely fits the crime you don't listen to God on earth He tortures you your right punishment definitive fits the crime.More power to your ego. If there is a hell and I go there I would be happy in knowing God thought enough about me to plan each and every eternal torture method for eternity for "sinning" about at most 90 years on earth

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its a long explanation, but basically there were many many other children having children since and after Cain. the way the math works out, there were at a very minimum 5000 other grown people and the maximum thousands more than that.

remember, people lived to be hundreds of years old.
population growth was rapid, very rapid.

here is a link that might help:
Observations about population growth

The fact that Cain, the son of Adam, built a city tells us much about the increase in population in the early history of mankind. If a city was built in the lifetime of a son of the very first man, it follows that population grew rapidly and was quickly civilized (in contrast to the views of evolutionists).

God had commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce and fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). Men in that time, before the flood, lived to great ages (see chapter 5). Adam, for example, lived to be 930 years old before he died (5:5), and most of his descendants before the flood lived about 900 years. If there are no gaps in the genealogies, this means Adam would have been alive following the birth of Lamech, father of Noah, 8 generations later! Hence, although they eventually died, people lived many years before they died. This greatly multiplied the number of people living on earth because, at any one time, there were many generations still living.

Further, men were capable of having many children, and large families were common. Noah was having children at age 500 (5:32). All men in chap. 5 are recorded as having "sons and daughters." In such long lifetimes with long periods of fertility, many children could be born.

Using conservative estimates, Morris estimates (p. 143) that, by the time Cain died, there could easily have been 120,000 people on the earth (certainly enough for there to be cities). By the time of Noah there could easily have been seven billion - more than on earth today! Do not think of Cain, Adam, and other such people as walking around on a bare, lonesome, uninhabited earth. The obeyed God's command to reproduce and fill the earth.

[link to www.gospelway.com]
 Quoting: Salt


You're dancing around the question.

We're not debating if there were others when Cain died. We are debating if and how many others were there when Cain was marked by God, and how that's possible considering they were the first sons of Adam and Eve.

How old was Cain when he killed his brother and was marked by God?
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the question has been answered Logun 5.
the question has been answered.
 Quoting: Salt


No where in that post did you address that question.

Go back and read it again, it's not there.

Waiting, while you're dance
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We are debating if and how many others were there when Cain was marked by God, and how that's possible considering they were the first sons of Adam and Eve.

that is your question ^^^^^^


i have clearly answered that there were others, how many possible others when Cain was marked by God. It also very very clearly shows how it is possible even considering that Cain is one of the first sons of Adam.

i do not see what part of your question that hasn't been answered.

Adam and Eve were commanded to populate the earth.
There were many many many children born from the time that Cain was born to the time that he was forced to leave.

many generations of Adams children, grandchildren and greatgrandchildren populating the earth.

we don't know exactly how old cain was when he was forced to leave, but by all of the historical data of the time period, he could have been nearly 100 years old or more. we don't know for sure. when he was forced to leave - it could be anywhere between immediately and 150+ years after the fact. Adam lived to be nearly 1000 years old. That's many many generations of children being born.

so, tell me, what part of the question was not answered?
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where in the King James Version does Jesus say he is his Father?
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where in the King James Version does Jesus say he is his Father?
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