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If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

 
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where in the King James Version does Jesus say he is his Father?
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could this be the answer?
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The problem of understanding stems from the word "GOD"
The word that is used as GOD is the hebrew word "ELOHIM"

ELOHIM is a plural word

so we take is by steps.. first to genesis

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

If you go by the traditional understanding of the word GOD it doesnt make sense..the "let us" part , but if you use the original hebrew word ELOHIM it makes sense because elohim is a plural word

Genesis 1:26
And ELOHIM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

again you have to be careful with the word GOD in its english form.

Who we know as the CREATOR is Jesus the messiah

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word (JESUS)was with God(ELOHIM), and the Word (JESUS)was God(ELOHIM).

2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (ELOHIM).

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Everything that was created was created for JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE "CREATOR"
So Jesus christ is ELOHIM.
but Jesus christ is NOT THE FATHER , He is the second person in ELOHIM.

And that is why JESUS came down and died for us , because he loves his CREATION..
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Not quite correct.
There are THREE "gods" in the first two chapters of Genesis.

The CREATOR
The "Lord God"... the group of them
and the "Lord"...the overseer. The blood sacrifice was to please the OVERSEER. The guy people call Jesus (not his real name) hated the blood sacrifice.

The "Christian Bible"..and ALL versions of it, are based upon the work of Constantine and his 60 pagan priests that he made the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church.

When you find out the TRUTH, it will shake you to the core.
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Elohim means "mighty ones"

in Genesis, the reference is to the angels who are the "workers" of God

they are in the image of God and so are we

the Bible describes a long process---the process of making angels
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"MIGHTY ONE"...not mighty ones . Dont twist things to your liking
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Sorry, but you are wrong

it is plural in the Hebrew

to make this as simple as possible, have a look in your Strong's Concordance

the word translated "God" in Genesis 1:1 is H430

the word elohyim is a masculine noun and the plural of H433 (Eloah)

if you have studied any Hebrew, you would know that "-im" is a plural form of the word

Mighty ones

Here is Strong's outline of Biblical use of the word:


1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods

2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God
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Actually I'm pretty sure that Jesus's own words in red state that the Father is greater than he. I don't have my bible with me at the moment otherwise I would find the verse. Anyone else familiar with the passage?
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Elohim is NOT plural.

It can never be considered plural.

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You're dancing around the question.

We're not debating if there were others when Cain died. We are debating if and how many others were there when Cain was marked by God, and how that's possible considering they were the first sons of Adam and Eve.

How old was Cain when he killed his brother and was marked by God?
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the question has been answered Logun 5.
the question has been answered.
 Quoting: Salt


No where in that post did you address that question.

Go back and read it again, it's not there.

Waiting, while you're dance
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We are debating if and how many others were there when Cain was marked by God, and how that's possible considering they were the first sons of Adam and Eve.

that is your question ^^^^^^


i have clearly answered that there were others, how many possible others when Cain was marked by God. It also very very clearly shows how it is possible even considering that Cain is one of the first sons of Adam.

i do not see what part of your question that hasn't been answered.

Adam and Eve were commanded to populate the earth.
There were many many many children born from the time that Cain was born to the time that he was forced to leave.

many generations of Adams children, grandchildren and greatgrandchildren populating the earth.

we don't know exactly how old cain was when he was forced to leave, but by all of the historical data of the time period, he could have been nearly 100 years old or more. we don't know for sure. when he was forced to leave - it could be anywhere between immediately and 150+ years after the fact. Adam lived to be nearly 1000 years old. That's many many generations of children being born.

so, tell me, what part of the question was not answered?
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Oh yes, the "they 'could have been' 100s of years old at the time", bullshit.

The one where Christians make shit up so all the pieces fit together with zero evidence or proof that people lived that long.

Kinda like the Earth is only 6000 years old.

Ridiculous, and you're a seminary student?
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Sounds like you are just another fizzle on the broad road to hell
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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As a man thinketh..so is he

The only sheol is the one you create

More power to your ego
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I didnt create hell your ego is gonna send you there though.
I don't give you mine own words either but quote you scripture, you cant say the same
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Who created Hell?
If it is God
What eternal torture methods does he use

does one of the torture methods include dunking your head in water until you drown or tearing your eyeballs out and putting hot sauce on it or what about plucking your teeth out one by one. Sound like the perfect punishment it definitely fits the crime you don't listen to God on earth He tortures you your right punishment definitive fits the crime.More power to your ego. If there is a hell and I go there I would be happy in knowing God thought enough about me to plan each and every eternal torture method for eternity for "sinning" about at most 90 years on earth
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Hell was created for the fallen angels and they will be the ones torturing you because you are making the choice to go there.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.
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As a man thinketh..so is he

The only sheol is the one you create

More power to your ego
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

I didnt create hell your ego is gonna send you there though.
I don't give you mine own words either but quote you scripture, you cant say the same
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


Who created Hell?
If it is God
What eternal torture methods does he use

does one of the torture methods include dunking your head in water until you drown or tearing your eyeballs out and putting hot sauce on it or what about plucking your teeth out one by one. Sound like the perfect punishment it definitely fits the crime you don't listen to God on earth He tortures you your right punishment definitive fits the crime.More power to your ego. If there is a hell and I go there I would be happy in knowing God thought enough about me to plan each and every eternal torture method for eternity for "sinning" about at most 90 years on earth
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Hell was created for the fallen angels and they will be the ones torturing you because you are making the choice to go there.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


The only hell is the one you create
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ:


"I, alone, am The Father manifest in creation... Immanu El."




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11/15/10 From The Lord, Our God and Savior - The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy, During an Online Bible/Letter Study - For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Thus says The Lord your Redeemer: Beloved, consider My words, consider them deeply... No, not according to your own interpretation, or according to your own understanding; nor grab hold of them to make them fit with what you perceive them to be, as though they can in any way be molded... My words are subject to no man, for they do resist conformity!



Beloved, I have formed you!...

My breath resides in you.




And I have poured out this blessing, so you may begin to see, so you may know My will, so you may hear in your own language, according to how you are able... Beloved, I speak, so you may be drawn to Me! I proclaim it, so the Scripture may be fulfilled in your hearing.
My people must be made aware, the call must go out... And so it is, and has been, since the time of the end began... Yea, since the first moment I opened My mouth to speak, since the first moment I breathed upon My elect, even to the outpouring upon all flesh.
Yet I ask you, do you know? Do you really know Me? DO YOU KNOW?!... Beloved, do you know Me?! Have you considered that which is beyond words? Have you considered the love of your Father and the power thereof?
Do you know Me?... Have you sat still, and listened to the music of My heart toward you?... My tears that fall gently, making soft tones upon the strings we share?



Beloved, do you not see who I AM?!...

Do you not understand what My body is?!...


As The Son can in no wise be separated from The Father,
Neither can one of you be separated from Me!




See with greater eyes, open your ears and listen, reach out with your heart to understand... You were made for Me! Yet I tell you, it is much more... Much more!
I am He through whom you were made, yes, My breath has given you life. Yet there is more... There’s more, beloved!
What are children to their parents? Are they not formed in their image, flesh of their flesh?... Born, then shaped by that which they see and receive, in accordance with their understanding? Yet the bond they share, is it of flesh only, defined also by the mind?... Or is it more?...



Nothing, in all creation, can exist apart from Me!...

Nor can anything exist outside of Me!



I, alone, dwell in the unapproachable light with The Father...

I, alone, am The Father manifest in creation...


Immanu El.



Therefore, again I ask you, do you know Me? Have you really known Me?... Behold, you shall know Me! Yet I tell you, not one of you really know Me, and those in the world remain very far from Me.
For none of you realize that you, little children, are indeed gods... You are God’s!... YOU WERE MADE FROM ME! No one can exist apart from The Vine! No one can exist, unless that which is The Existence and The Life be in them!... You were not just made for Me, you were made from Me! No one can escape Me! No one can run from Me!... Though they hide, though they run, though the darkness closes in, there I am still.



Be deceived no longer...

You are My body and of My body.



That, by which you were formed, is that which I am...

YaHuWaH... He who causes to be...



Behold, I am also The Son of Man!... YahuShua.



You are the heart of My heart... Shall I cut out My own heart and toss it away? I have loved you from the beginning! My love never ends!... It is who I am, the same as I am!
And those, who choose to be broken off, must be broken off and destroyed, for they have rent the heart of God, a rent which I shall bear forever... For I have loved them, and My love is without end.



Therefore, it is time for you to truly know Me...

To know Me as I really am...

To know Me according to how I have made you.



Shut your eyes, so you may come to see My form...

Quiet your minds, so you may hear the sound of My voice
And the music which I play for you...



Be still...


And know...


I AM HE.



Beloved, stop looking for Me with your eyes, and see! Stop passively listening to My words, and hear! Stop seeking Me with your mind, and know Me! Receive of Me!... Yea, stop speaking, quiet yourselves, and abide in Me.
Grab hold of Me with your hearts, abide in Me as you are, and pull hard upon these strings! Fall deeply in love with Me... No, not according to your flesh... Let go, and fall into Me!
Let go of all you hold onto, forever striving to attain... Stop grasping with your flesh! I am poured out for you! Break down these boundaries you have made, and leap!




HERE I AM!...

I have been waiting for you!...

Not because of that which I see on the surface,
Nor because of those things you do...


I have waited for YOU!...

For I have known you and loved you from the beginning...


I see you as you are and have always been...

In My bosom, with Me, where I am...

Fulfilling My love in you, in ME!...



Says The Lord, who is risen up and comes quickly.



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Not quite correct.
There are THREE "gods" in the first two chapters of Genesis.

The CREATOR
The "Lord God"... the group of them
and the "Lord"...the overseer. The blood sacrifice was to please the OVERSEER. The guy people call Jesus (not his real name) hated the blood sacrifice.

The "Christian Bible"..and ALL versions of it, are based upon the work of Constantine and his 60 pagan priests that he made the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church.

When you find out the TRUTH, it will shake you to the core.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24843780


Elohim means "mighty ones"

in Genesis, the reference is to the angels who are the "workers" of God

they are in the image of God and so are we

the Bible describes a long process---the process of making angels
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31585849


"MIGHTY ONE"...not mighty ones . Dont twist things to your liking
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Sorry, but you are wrong

it is plural in the Hebrew

to make this as simple as possible, have a look in your Strong's Concordance

the word translated "God" in Genesis 1:1 is H430

the word elohyim is a masculine noun and the plural of H433 (Eloah)

if you have studied any Hebrew, you would know that "-im" is a plural form of the word

Mighty ones

Here is Strong's outline of Biblical use of the word:


1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods

2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31585849


Your wrong...


Elohim

“The word Elohim is the plural of El (or possibly Eloah) and is the first name of God given in the Old Testament: “In the beginning, God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth, (Gen. 1:1).

“The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking – it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean “gods” when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular

[link to www.theopedia.com]


Dont use strongs if you dont know how to use it
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sombody that knows the bible can answer ?
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Yahoshua was not a Christian he was a Nazoraion (in Greek). John 18:5, 18:7, Acts 22:8 NZRolam(Hebrew. Christianity started at Antioch Acts 11:26.

That means Christianity is not the teaching you should be looking at. The bible was not the bible till over 400 years after the death and resurrection of Yahoshua the Nazoraion.
Many books were excepted, even the KJV excepts the Apocrypha.
God is plural Elohim, In Genesis 1:1 it say In a beginning created the Elohim or Gods the heavens the Earth. So there are many Elohim. It would take me hours to walk though with you the deceptions of the Christian Church. But you asked if he was God, yes he was one of them. To me he is the only one I like because he healed saved and stood up for the poor.

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
If wont be the few that will be mislead it will be the many, seek and you will find,
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where in the King James Version does Jesus say he is his Father?
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The King James version is based upon the Constantine (pagan) "bible". It is also and altered document, that is rife with "additions" and made into a political tool to control the people.
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I didnt create hell your ego is gonna send you there though.
I don't give you mine own words either but quote you scripture, you cant say the same
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


Who created Hell?
If it is God
What eternal torture methods does he use

does one of the torture methods include dunking your head in water until you drown or tearing your eyeballs out and putting hot sauce on it or what about plucking your teeth out one by one. Sound like the perfect punishment it definitely fits the crime you don't listen to God on earth He tortures you your right punishment definitive fits the crime.More power to your ego. If there is a hell and I go there I would be happy in knowing God thought enough about me to plan each and every eternal torture method for eternity for "sinning" about at most 90 years on earth
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Hell was created for the fallen angels and they will be the ones torturing you because you are making the choice to go there.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


The only hell is the one you create
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Thats what your gut tells you but you are dead wrong and your ego wont let you see it.
I thought you were a theologian and a philosopher, you responses for the most part are lame and weak but more than that they are surprisingly uneducated.
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sombody that knows the bible can answer ?
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Yahoshua was not a Christian he was a Nazoraion (in Greek). John 18:5, 18:7, Acts 22:8 NZRolam(Hebrew. Christianity started at Antioch Acts 11:26.

That means Christianity is not the teaching you should be looking at. The bible was not the bible till over 400 years after the death and resurrection of Yahoshua the Nazoraion.
Many books were excepted, even the KJV excepts the Apocrypha.
God is plural Elohim, In Genesis 1:1 it say In a beginning created the Elohim or Gods the heavens the Earth. So there are many Elohim. It would take me hours to walk though with you the deceptions of the Christian Church. But you asked if he was God, yes he was one of them. To me he is the only one I like because he healed saved and stood up for the poor.

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
If wont be the few that will be mislead it will be the many, seek and you will find,
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Yep...and it is fascinating what the ACTUAL, original writings say. The guy people call "Jesus" was an ESSENE. And he was married. And he would have been great on GLP.
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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Jesus was the express image, in the flesh, of the attributes of the father, in whom the Godhead, the Father, dwelt bodily, right here with us, Emmanuel. When Jesus took on the sins of the world, the Holy Spirit, God the Father, left Him because He could not look on sin.

Isaiah 13:12
I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

The only begotten of the father, the perfect man, stood the test to the death, without sinning. He bought our salvation from death, Power of Darkness, by proving Him a Liar.

Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

The old right hand of God, has been replaced by the light, who took the book of life from the hand of Death by prevailing until the death, blameless.

Revelation 5

5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

when God spoke out of the Darkness in the old testament, the disannuled one, made with death,

Isaiah 28

16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

that a man who kept those laws and statutes perfectly would live by them, yet Christ died blameless.

Now you know. The True Father could look upon and fill the man Jesus who was perfect and fulfilled the law and statutes perfectly! For you and for me!!
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Who created Hell?
If it is God
What eternal torture methods does he use

does one of the torture methods include dunking your head in water until you drown or tearing your eyeballs out and putting hot sauce on it or what about plucking your teeth out one by one. Sound like the perfect punishment it definitely fits the crime you don't listen to God on earth He tortures you your right punishment definitive fits the crime.More power to your ego. If there is a hell and I go there I would be happy in knowing God thought enough about me to plan each and every eternal torture method for eternity for "sinning" about at most 90 years on earth
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Hell was created for the fallen angels and they will be the ones torturing you because you are making the choice to go there.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


The only hell is the one you create
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Thats what your gut tells you but you are dead wrong and your ego wont let you see it.
I thought you were a theologian and a philosopher, you responses for the most part are lame and weak but more than that they are surprisingly uneducated.
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OK I but I told I am all religions and no religions I take the the Bible as any other religious books.

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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.
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It's impossible for Christians to win a debate about their beliefs, you have zero proof and you just keep making shit up and claiming you're winning debates.

The last time I checked, people were fleeing Christianity in droves.

You're on a sinking ship of pure fantasy and make believe.
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hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.
 Quoting: Salt


It's impossible for Christians to win a debate about their beliefs, you have zero proof and you just keep making shit up and claiming you're winning debates.

The last time I checked, people were fleeing Christianity in droves.

You're on a sinking ship of pure fantasy and make believe.
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bitter bitter bitter

there is a mountain of evidence, many mountains

but, you continue with your line of thinking.
hope you get what you hope to get from it.

peace
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hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.
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It's impossible for Christians to win a debate about their beliefs, you have zero proof and you just keep making shit up and claiming you're winning debates.

The last time I checked, people were fleeing Christianity in droves.

You're on a sinking ship of pure fantasy and make believe.
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Epictetus was right when he said: It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Hell was created for the fallen angels and they will be the ones torturing you because you are making the choice to go there.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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The only hell is the one you create
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Thats what your gut tells you but you are dead wrong and your ego wont let you see it.
I thought you were a theologian and a philosopher, you responses for the most part are lame and weak but more than that they are surprisingly uneducated.
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OK I but I told I am all religions and no religions I take the the Bible as any other religious books.
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And thats why the Bible says you are on the broad road to hell
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I personally prefer Aesop's fables it's quite interesting and always has a moral to teach me.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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sombody that knows the bible can answer ?
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Jesus chooses not to know the day or hour just as the Father chooses not to look in the bedroom of a husband with his wife.
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He also didn't "spy" constantly on Adam and Eve but knew the sin had occurred once He came back and they were hiding.
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Actually NO the Lord God DID NOT KNOW, which becomes quite obvious from the little chatter he has with Adam.

Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Aren't you even little curious of such reaction from the Omnipotent and All-Knowing God? If this God of Old Testament YHVH was truly the real All-Knowing God he would not ask "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" for he would know the answer before asking such silly question, but if this God was indeed false God of Material World with limited knowledge desiring to be like Most High, The Father the Real God then it would make perfect sense. So this Blood Thirsty and Insecure YHVH did not know that sin had occurred once he saw them hiding, but rather only after Adam revealed that he was afraid because he was naked.
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The only hell is the one you create
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Thats what your gut tells you but you are dead wrong and your ego wont let you see it.
I thought you were a theologian and a philosopher, you responses for the most part are lame and weak but more than that they are surprisingly uneducated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


OK I but I told I am all religions and no religions I take the the Bible as any other religious books.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


And thats why the Bible says you are on the broad road to hell
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I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion

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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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my gawd this is such an ignorant world when it comes to understanding God and the cosmos. Throw away the bible and get something better. Nobody knows the day because of the intense planning involved and other issues like where man is going and earthchanges and ever so much more. YOU ARE ALSO GOD OP, meaning a SON OF GOD. God the Father is not a person per se, but the source of all that is including your MIND. God is MIND. Jesus is both God and hierarchy. Hierarchy makes the rules and runs the whole creation not "god" the Father.
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Thats what your gut tells you but you are dead wrong and your ego wont let you see it.
I thought you were a theologian and a philosopher, you responses for the most part are lame and weak but more than that they are surprisingly uneducated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


OK I but I told I am all religions and no religions I take the the Bible as any other religious books.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


And thats why the Bible says you are on the broad road to hell
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I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion
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Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
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hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.
 Quoting: Salt


It's impossible for Christians to win a debate about their beliefs, you have zero proof and you just keep making shit up and claiming you're winning debates.

The last time I checked, people were fleeing Christianity in droves.

You're on a sinking ship of pure fantasy and make believe.
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bitter bitter bitter

there is a mountain of evidence, many mountains

but, you continue with your line of thinking.
hope you get what you hope to get from it.

peace
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I was a Christian for 20+ years looking for this "mountain of evidence" you claim there is. Your proof boils down to one piece of paper.

Care to post a few of these links with mountains of evidence please?
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hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.
 Quoting: Salt


It's impossible for Christians to win a debate about their beliefs, you have zero proof and you just keep making shit up and claiming you're winning debates.

The last time I checked, people were fleeing Christianity in droves.

You're on a sinking ship of pure fantasy and make believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


Epictetus was right when he said: It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.
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thumbs
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hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.
 Quoting: Salt


It's impossible for Christians to win a debate about their beliefs, you have zero proof and you just keep making shit up and claiming you're winning debates.

The last time I checked, people were fleeing Christianity in droves.

You're on a sinking ship of pure fantasy and make believe.
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Well we wont really know the truth about everything until we see GOD and the mystery is finished.

The important thing is that we believe Yeshua is the messiah and died for our trangressions..that he is the only way to be reconciled to GOD the father .
That he is the way..the truth and light


ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS AGREE ON THAT
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OK I but I told I am all religions and no religions I take the the Bible as any other religious books.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


And thats why the Bible says you are on the broad road to hell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
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I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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We are a part of God. A part of a cycle, a wheel of the heavens.

We learn everything over hundreds of greater incarnations until we re-unite with God. The ultimate consciousness.

Then the Universal controllers descend from God to the Bottom of the cycle and incarnate as life again, over and over.


The physical realm we are in is pretty low in the upswing side. We have a LOONG journey of life in spirit.

We slowly evolve into pure thought, God force.

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