Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,471 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 2,080,198
Pageviews Today: 2,839,553Threads Today: 736Posts Today: 11,620
08:57 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 26311503
United States
01/06/2013 04:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.



LOL...MAKES NO SENSE..
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
We are a part of God. A part of a cycle, a wheel of the heavens.

We learn everything over hundreds of greater incarnations until we re-unite with God. The ultimate consciousness.

Then the Universal controllers descend from God to the Bottom of the cycle and incarnate as life again, over and over.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


clappa
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503



LOL...MAKES NO SENSE..


It sounds paradoxical but it does make sense
I am all religions but no religions

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 04:03 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 26311503
United States
01/06/2013 04:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...


And thats why the Bible says you are on the broad road to hell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


that is what you call..babble.. straight from babylon
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31575730
United States
01/06/2013 04:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...


Not quite correct.
There are THREE "gods" in the first two chapters of Genesis.

The CREATOR
The "Lord God"... the group of them
and the "Lord"...the overseer. The blood sacrifice was to please the OVERSEER. The guy people call Jesus (not his real name) hated the blood sacrifice.

The "Christian Bible"..and ALL versions of it, are based upon the work of Constantine and his 60 pagan priests that he made the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church.

When you find out the TRUTH, it will shake you to the core.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24843780


Elohim means "mighty ones"

in Genesis, the reference is to the angels who are the "workers" of God

they are in the image of God and so are we

the Bible describes a long process---the process of making angels
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31585849


"MIGHTY ONE"...not mighty ones . Dont twist things to your liking
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Sorry, but you are wrong

it is plural in the Hebrew

to make this as simple as possible, have a look in your Strong's Concordance

the word translated "God" in Genesis 1:1 is H430

the word elohyim is a masculine noun and the plural of H433 (Eloah)

if you have studied any Hebrew, you would know that "-im" is a plural form of the word

Mighty ones

Here is Strong's outline of Biblical use of the word:


1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods

2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31585849


GREEK was the "original", "Hebrew" was second; Latin was third, then English, then every language in the world.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31036137
United States
01/06/2013 04:06 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
ty Aleph Tav


Anagram of Alpha Vet :)
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:06 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...


I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


that is what you call..babble.. straight from babylon
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic cop out

Just admit Everybod's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.

EmpObama

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 04:07 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Blitz the storm-striker

User ID: 31486949
Canada
01/06/2013 04:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
Listen, the bible says Jesus is the son of God. He isn't God. They are father and son.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


That is an interesting passage, but how do you know you are taking it in context the way it was intended? What if the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are of one purpose - that is how they are one. They are not the same being, otherwise there would be no point in differentiating between them. They are three different entities with one purpose, yet their personages serve different purposes. That's just how I understand it :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


Rising Son... that makes much more sense to me.

They think and act as one as they are totally in sync.

And succinctly put also... Well Done!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


Father , son and holy spirit = Mind, body and soul.
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
ty Aleph Tav


Anagram of Alpha Vet :)
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Aleph = first letter of Hebrew Alphabet
Tav = last letter of Hebrew Alphabet

Like Alpha and Omega in Greek
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Rising Son
Clear Eyes, Full Hearts

User ID: 31269856
United States
01/06/2013 04:09 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


that is what you call..babble.. straight from babylon
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic cop out

Just admit Everybod's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.

EmpObama
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Which begs the question: Why would someone who does not believe in the Judeao-Christian understanding enter a thread about Jesus?
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
Armesis

User ID: 14386601
United Kingdom
01/06/2013 04:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
Mary was impregnated using artificial insemination by the Aliens, but because of their knowledge with the spiritual side of science they were able to put an Alien with knowledge into this new body, while preserving his other body.

He then taught us stuff and had powers other humans did not have because he was not actually human.

Humans didn't understand fully and so here we are now being confused.

He was an equal Annunaki but did not have the power some of those higher up in power.

abduct

Last Edited by Armesis on 01/06/2013 04:10 PM
Armesis The Extraterrestrial
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28781997
United States
01/06/2013 04:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...


And thats why the Bible says you are on the broad road to hell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

You did show malice when you accused Him of using different torture methods in hell and made it seem like He liked it.

Your say your all religions well I tell you. Christian isnt one of them because you have shown much ignorance of what the Bible actually says
I hope you turn to Christ before you die in your filthy sins because you will face Him as your judge one day despite your arrogance in believe man can make his own way
This is all I post, have a nice life
Id be amazed if your ego would allow not to respond, but from what Ive seen so far your response will be unimportant.
There will be no further communication from me to you
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...


I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


that is what you call..babble.. straight from babylon
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Classic cop out

Just admit Everybod's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.

EmpObama
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Which begs the question: Why would someone who does not believe in the Judeao-Christian understanding enter a thread about Jesus?
 Quoting: Rising Son


I said I believe in all Gods and no Gods
and I am apart of all religions and no religions

Some people have basic comprehension problems

EmpObama
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31366547
United Kingdom
01/06/2013 04:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24056251


Because the bible was written in times when the mases were easily brainwashed and completely stupid, and would believe a the fairy tale that it is.
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:14 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...


Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 04:17 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:14 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...


Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 04:17 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...


I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

You did show malice when you accused Him of using different torture methods in hell and made it seem like He liked it.

Your say your all religions well I tell you. Christian isnt one of them because you have shown much ignorance of what the Bible actually says
I hope you turn to Christ before you die in your filthy sins because you will face Him as your judge one day despite your arrogance in believe man can make his own way
This is all I post, have a nice life
Id be amazed if your ego would allow not to respond, but from what Ive seen so far your response will be unimportant.
There will be no further communication from me to you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


idiotfacepalm

If you understand basic comprehension I stated numerous times I am all religions and religions
I believe in all Gods and no Gods
Just make sure your house is in order for you try and fix mines
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 27180401
Canada
01/06/2013 04:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
I just think they we're trying their damnedest to squeeze evil Miracles of wrath and vengence out of him buy beating on him and nailing him up there.
When Jesus performs miracles, he's supposed to be an ordinary man in all ways but sin. So if you or I we're sinless we would get Miracles? Not likely gonna turn out like that.
So they came from God for him. How? He does a bit of ritual and maybe says a few words, but sometimes it seems as if the miracles flowed from him, which leaves the question of it being triggered and encated by his thoughts or his will that it be so without actually doing verbal commands like a sorceror, so some force or entity could be cloaked in the shadows doing parlor tricks with alien machines that made it look like Jesus was doing stuff he couldn't.
Anything else, like him making it all happen from outerspace, as an observer before or after, put's in in a timewarp and sours the purity of it being a divine gift, in light of him getting dead and resurrecting like some aliens kept him in stasis and revived him after a few days.

So The Powers That Be of the time, got desperate and tried to get it out of him because they, like their contemporaries, covet everything and can't allow anyone to have any power that is not under their authority. Miracles don't do tricks for shit-heads and they can't allow that because it undermines every wicked deciet they pull to keep people under their influence as they attempt in perpetual futility to prove that doing the wrong thing is somehow dominant, proper, and free of negative reprucussions.

So how can the Holy Spirit do miracles for Jesus without some sort of communication, or did Jesus just go around pointing at things and touching stuff, while the aliens or future Humans with time machines, made things happen for him at their own discretion. Was he being led? His miracles didn't go much beyond what is already being done or at least concieveable in the future of modern scientific technology. All it would take is a bunch of goofs going back in time for real and jacking the past in their own favor.
And why did he get captured? He could have Miracled them all away from him without harm.
Is there a limit to how many mountains a man gets to move?

He owes it to us to come back and explain some stuff.

I think the timeof his return is not until the idiots trying to run the show prove it to themselves and everyone else for all time that they are not in charge, most likely a lesson learned the hard way

sorry i don't know the answers to your questions
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20657814
United States
01/06/2013 04:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
...


I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


that is what you call..babble.. straight from babylon
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503

That's right. We all know that born-again Christians are the only people who will be in heaven. Not just the type who attend church, but they need to repent of ALL their sins and become perfect, as God is perfect. Why do you think Jesus said the road is NARROW and only a few get in? He said broad and wide is the road to hell.

Who goes to heaven is rather simple. People who have become perfect through the work of the holy spirit that lives inside of them. No one else goes to heaven. If you have sin in your life, go and sin no more. You can't get into heaven if you are a sinner because God will not keep company with sinners.

All people of every other religion except for Christianity will go to hell where they will share in the punishment of Satan. All people who are luke warm, Ladocean church goers, will also be in the lake of fire. All liars will be in the lake of fire. The road is really NARROW. You people need to become born again and you need to let the holy spirit work in your lives. It does no good to argue what is in the Bible. You have to listen to what JESUS said.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14105059
United States
01/06/2013 04:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
There are 12 propositions of the shield of the trinity actually, if things weren't confusing enough already.

"The Father is God"
"The Son is God"
"The Holy Spirit is God"
"God is the Father"
"God is the Son"
"God is the Holy Spirit"
"The Father is not the Son"
"The Son is not the Father"
"The Father is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Father"
"The Son is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Son"
nzreva

User ID: 19624091
United States
01/06/2013 04:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
John 10:29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Yahoshua never claime to be co-equal to his Father.
Aleph Tav

User ID: 31336316
Bahamas
01/06/2013 04:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
There are 12 propositions of the shield of the trinity actually, if things weren't confusing enough already.

"The Father is God"
"The Son is God"
"The Holy Spirit is God"
"God is the Father"
"God is the Son"
"God is the Holy Spirit"
"The Father is not the Son"
"The Son is not the Father"
"The Father is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Father"
"The Son is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Son"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14105059


The trinity doctrine is confusing God is not a God of confusion the trinity is inherently false
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31575730
United States
01/06/2013 04:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


Simple. Get a Strong's Concordance; King James Version Bible; learn to use the Concordance, and in the Strong's Concordance, look up every word you read in the King James Verson Bibletounge try it youwill like itlolsign
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28781997
United States
01/06/2013 04:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304


Simple. Get a Strong's Concordance; King James Version Bible; learn to use the Concordance, and in the Strong's Concordance, look up every word you read in the King James Verson Bibletounge try it youwill like itlolsign
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31575730

I like this
applause2applause2applause2
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28781997
United States
01/06/2013 04:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
Which begs the question: Why would someone who does not believe in the Judeao-Christian understanding enter a thread about Jesus?
 Quoting: Rising Son

Yep, hes a troll
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31554552
United States
01/06/2013 04:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
EXPLAINS IT ALL IN A 9 MINUTE VIDEO

Man's Fall from Heaven
The VEIL.
EGYPT, Pharaohs and the after life
CHRIST'S Descent into Sheol to Free Souls
CHRIST rips the Veils..Opens the Seals, Portal
The premise is All man went to Sheol (underworld) because of Sin. The only way to into Sheol way through the flesh and the only way to open the seal, gate, portal to the underworld was to be sinless. Christ came in the flesh, died in the flesh to go to the underworld to open the seals to free mankind from going to the underworld, and now the kingdom of heaven is open to all men. God freed the Israelites from Egypt because they were trying to escape Sheol on their own. This is why over and over and over again the bible calls Christ the redeemer, the sinless one, the sacrificed lamb.
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Calvinist, Church of Latter Day all believe Christs descent into the underworld, and believe it is scriptural and teach it according to Wikipedia. So this is a very old belief, its just not taught in the modern church... [link to en.wikipedia.org]



19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:19-22
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 22728347
United States
01/06/2013 04:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
sombody that knows the bible can answer ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24056251
First mistake, you are assuming what man teaches, but it is not so declared to be so in the Word of God (Bible). No where does it say God cannot look upon sin. It does say God is angry with the sinner every day (Ps.7:11kjv). He must be cognizant of those sins or how could he be angry about them. Jesus made the statement also that the Father was greater than him (John.14:28). So no, Jesus is not exactly co-equal in that sense, but nevertheless, he is the second member of the Godhead, and in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily (Col.2:9). My personal opinion about not knowing the day or hour, but the Father only. I believe Jesus meant while he was the son of man here on earth, at that time. Of course Jesus as God is now omniscient..to be so you must know all things to qualify in that category (omniscient).
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18225135
United States
01/06/2013 04:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24056251


As a true Christ-man, one has to realize that we are not poly-theistic. Christianity is monotheistic, meaning ONE God. However the Godhead Defacto is made up of 3 offices: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The concept of Father is used to describe the relationship between God and His creation, that being us. He is the Creator of all. That includes the flesh. And, that includes the flesh that made up Jesus Christ that came from the Adamic Hebrew bloodline. This flesh is the vessel in which the Holy Spirit would inhabit on Earth as well as sit on the Throne in Heaven as JHVH. All three offices make up the Godhead Defacto.

The best analogy to describe it would be a pitcher of water and a glass. The water is the Holy Spirit. It fills the pitcher but some of it was poured into the glass. The pitcher is JHVH and the glass was Christ.

That is why Christ stated that if you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father. The very name Emmanuel, which was another name for Jesus means God with us.

Something you must not forget is that the flesh of Christ was subject to all things of this world but through the Holy Spirit, He was able to live as a perfect example of how to control yourself and make it through this world. He spoke to His Father in Heaven which was the office of the Creator, the Father, and they were both connected by the Holy Spirit.

God said that he would create a new Covenant that would be written on the hearts of men. He accomplished this through Christ according to the great book of Hebrews. The Old Covenant is the Old Testament and the New Covenant is the New Testament. Does it not affect you heart when you know the Gospels and realize that our Holy Father in Heaven came to Earth to be martyred for us? And He did it perfectly. What a wonderful gift He gave us - a way to wash sin away and be Holy.

Now when Christ was on the cross, he completed Psalm 22 perfectly with astounding detail. He was still teaching even as He died. This was written by King David the prophet king approximately 1000 years before Christ would be crucified.

Psalm 22
King James Version (KJV)
22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.

3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.

10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

19 But be not thou far from me, O Lord: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.

29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

There is so much more, but just remember that their is only ONE God, and He is always in control. We do not pray to Jesus, we pray in His name. We pray to God. And through God's grace we are helped by a comforter, a divine guiding hand known as the Holy Spirit.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31642238
United States
01/06/2013 05:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24056251


Who do you say Jesus is ?
John 12:44-45

44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in me, believes not in me, but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees me sees Him who sent me.

Jesus is making it clear here that you are to believe in him, yet Jesus wants you to mature in him and understand something else quite wonderful about him. That is that the one who sent him is in fact the same one you see when you look at Jesus.

Jesus is God Almighty the Father however while on earth he never operated with more power than that of a son. So before you misunderstand read the rest of this document.

Isaiah 45-21-23

21 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides me, a just God and a Savior; There is none besides me.

Jesus is a just God and Savior and it states there is no GOD or Savior besides the God of Israel. Since this is Jewish scripture then Jesus is either God and Savior or he is not. If this scripture is true and for correctly taught Christians we know it is, then Jesus is God Almighty the creator and our Heavenly Father. John 1 makes that clear as well.

22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

Once again God declares there is no God but the God of Israel

23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall take an oath.

Notice above God said he has sworn by himself and to him every knee shall bow. If every knee is going to bow to Jesus then Jesus has to be God Almighty our Father.

John 14:9

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And his name will be called; Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 20:26-28

26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

So who is Jesus Christ according to the scriptures above?



Jesus is God the Father the creator, but when Jesus became flesh he came as a son with no more power than Adam had before the fall. Adam had great authority and wisdom with God in the garden until he fell. Jesus had to pass the test Adam failed to redeem us which was temptation and obedience. If Jesus had used his power as God rather than limit himself to no more power than Adam had before the fall then Lucifer would have known who Jesus was and from God’s point of view it would have been cheating

When Jesus said he considered it robbery to be considered equal to God he did mean it. Even though Jesus was the Father he was operating with only the power Adam had as a son before the fall. Any other power Jesus manifested he attested to the Holy Spirit's work. The Holy spirit also spoke out of heaven saying concerning Jesus, ” This is my beloved Son in whom I’m well pleased.” Jesus also said ” The father is greater than I.” Note there is no contradiction here, Jesus at this point in time was limiting himself in power to that of a son.

Jesus knew he had to die for us in order to redeem us and Israel legally, Jesus also knew he had to keep hidden the fullness of who he was until all was fulfilled, but Jesus gave us clues everywhere who he was. When Jesus died on the Cross for us he died as a real son of God because he limited himself in power to that of a son, but when Jesus rose for our justification he no longer had to hide who he was. Peter said you are the son of the living God, and Jesus affirmed that without correction to Peter. Years later doubting Thomas said MY LORD AND MY GOD and Jesus did not correct him.

Before Jesus had ascended he said to Mary ” Do not touch me Mary for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Later he said to Thomas, put your hand in my side and touch my wound and be believing not faithless. The scriptures declare that no one can say Jesus is Lord (with faith & understanding) without the Holy Spirit. The Word Lord in the Greek is Kurios, it is as Thomas spoke it. It does not mean Lord Churchill or some knighted person from England. It means LORD as in God Almighty.

Most Christians call Jesus Lord but do not even know what the Greek and Hebrew meanings for the word Lord mean. The writer of the Gospels were NOT confused about who Jesus was after it was revealed. They made it clear in their writings what they meant. They could have used many usages of the greek concerning the word Lord. In the Greek the writers could have used the word Lord that means like a landlord or a banker or even a person with great authority but lessor than God, but they did not use that usage. The Greek word for Lord they used the word Kurios, which means God and Master. This is the exact word Thomas pronounced about Jesus when he finally got it right and said to Jesus: "My Lord and God"

1 Corinthians 12:3

Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Did you notice that above, it says no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. I'm sure every atheist could say Jesus is Lord pretending for a good laugh if they wanted to. So what does this scripture really mean for a Christian? Why do you need the Holy Spirit in order to say this with real understanding and faith. Because you cannot say until the Holy Spirit reveals to you what it really means, and you cannot say it as a real believer unless you know it is absolutely true.

The writer used the word Kurios for Lord in this scripture. Kurios means God Almighty and Master. So if the scripture is true and all real Christians really believe the scripture, then they should say, "No one can say Jesus is God Almighty except by the Holy Spirit." That is what this scripture means in the original Greek and that is what is actually saying. If the English translators had any guts at all they would have translated that way. They knew what the word Kurios means.

Now Jesus does not require you to understand this to be saved, however to really know him it is quite important.

Now I made it really clear in the first portion of this page how to reconcile some of the other misunderstandings. Those of you who do not know who Jesus is but say you are Christian then you are at best a Christian who wants to believe but mostly likely has never had a real experience with the Holy Spirit of Jesus. If you have had that experience then you have yet to get serious with studying the scriptures with the Holy Spirit's help, because the Holy Spirit would have surely shown this to you and help you understand it if you asked. If you are over dependent on Pastors and preachers this may also be the other reason. You have to get to the place where the Holy Spirit is always your first teacher. If you lean to much on pastor then they even the best of them will limit your growth and relationship with the Holy Spirit. So if you do not yet understand this then mostly likely you are a baby Christian at best concerning the word of God and may have good and honest intentions. However you have very little understanding. I hope you will mature in Christ Jesus the Lord our God and seek his Holy Spirit to teach you.

Every disciple of Jesus Christ when they called Jesus Lord knew what they were saying, they were saying that Jesus Christ is God. I think its about time you know too.

Notes:

Jehovah is an anglicized representation of Hebrew a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible. In the Greek translation of the Bible that was used in the time of Jesus, the personal name of God, YAHWEH, was translated into Greek as (kurios), translates into English as Lord or Master

The New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 2962
Original Word Word Origin κύριος from kuros (supremacy)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
kyrios koo'-ree-os

Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Masculine 3:1039,486

Definition
he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord the possessor and disposer of a thing
the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
this title is given to: God, the Messiah

Translated Words
KJV (748) - Lord, 667; Sir, 6; lord, 54; master, 11; misc, 4; sir, 6;
NAS (720) - Lord, 626; Lord of lords, 2; Lord's, 12; lord, 10; lords, 1; master, 38; master's, 3; masters, 8; masters', 1; owner, 6; owners, 1; sir, 11; sirs, 1

So the scripture is true, ” No one can say Jesus Christ is God Almighty (LORD) except by the Holy Spirit. That is what that scripture really means. No one can say Jesus is God except by the Holy Spirit. If you say Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings then what you are really saying is that Jesus is God above all Gods King above kings. So be the truth Amen and Forever Amen.

I praise you Father Jesus Father God,

Holy Holy is the God of Abraham

Praise to Jesus Christ in the Highest
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18225135
United States
01/06/2013 05:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
EXPLAINS IT ALL IN A 9 MINUTE VIDEO

Man's Fall from Heaven
The VEIL.
EGYPT, Pharaohs and the after life
CHRIST'S Descent into Sheol to Free Souls
CHRIST rips the Veils..Opens the Seals, Portal
The premise is All man went to Sheol (underworld) because of Sin. The only way to into Sheol way through the flesh and the only way to open the seal, gate, portal to the underworld was to be sinless. Christ came in the flesh, died in the flesh to go to the underworld to open the seals to free mankind from going to the underworld, and now the kingdom of heaven is open to all men. God freed the Israelites from Egypt because they were trying to escape Sheol on their own. This is why over and over and over again the bible calls Christ the redeemer, the sinless one, the sacrificed lamb.
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Calvinist, Church of Latter Day all believe Christs descent into the underworld, and believe it is scriptural and teach it according to Wikipedia. So this is a very old belief, its just not taught in the modern church... [link to en.wikipedia.org]



19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:19-22
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31554552



I see stuff like this all the time. Usually these videos and comments are made by those that cannot understand a simple timeline. Or those that have not done enough historical research. Egypt did not come first, friends. And actually Egypt changed it's belief system a few times depending on the leader in different eras.

The concepts of the underworld and hell were taken from the original account. But people often like to try and discredit the Holy Bible by saying that it was borrowed from some other culture. This is actually very, very incorrect. Matter of fact Sumerian and Chaldea borrowed from the story of creation and it has been documented well. So why do people insist on spreading untruths? Obviously it smacks of an underlying agenda that will ultimately fail.

News








We're dropping truth bombs like it's the end of days!