If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

It's only confusing to those, like you. who don't understand it, to those who do understand it, we find it comforting

I agree. This is something that you cannot fake, because you cannot fake love. If you understand the trinity for what it is, it is like a flannel blanket wrapped around you near a warm fire in the winter time.

God can't die

(2016.8) 188:4.3 Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him.

(2017.1) 188:4.6 Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died on Urantia (earth), it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh.

(2017.2) 188:4.7 Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a savior. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of the universe of Nebadon.

(2017.3) 188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

(2017.4) 188:4.9 All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.
[link to www.urantia.org]

And you know this HOW???? I thought Jesus/God could see everything and know everything at all times. Isn't that what omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscient, all the omni words mean? Please explain, or did you just make this shit up?

Please stop, you sound like siblings bickering with each other. Jesus was humble enough to know that only His Father could know, and He was fine with that. If anything, it probably gave Him a sense of security - in that, Dad's got this!

Let's assume that Jesus and God are one being but two separate manifestations of that person. God cannot be in the presence of sin, according to the Bible. He considers all sin the same, equally nasty, and he will not tolerate being in the presence of sin.

Jesus came and died on the cross to forgive all those who sin and who accept this sacrifice. But Jesus is God. So God, in a way, sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself because of his bitter hatred toward sin.

You might wonder why God let his "son/himself" suffer on the cross for the sins of people when he could just forgive them himself remembering that God and Jesus are one being in two separate bodies. But instead he decided to allow the blood sacrifice of Jesus, just like he always accepted the blood sacrifices of the bulls and lambs in the Old Testament.

So Jesus died so that all those who believe that he died for their sins will be saved. If you don't believe that Jesus and God are one and that they died for your sins, you are not forgiven. For instance, a Muslim who doesn't worship Jesus goes to hell, where they will suffer forever, because they don't accept this sacrifice.

It is important to know that God MUST have a blood sacrifice before he can forgive sins. We don't know why this is, but this is part of pagan mythology too. Pagans always sacrificed animals and humans to their Gods. Jesus is the ultimate blood sacrifice.

Perhaps you can think of it this way: God the Father requires us to sacrifice our pride before He can forgive our sins. If you are too proud to know that you've sinned, how can you be forgiven? If we know that we have hurt another, and we make amends with them, we could not have done that in a prideful way. When the pride you have within you overshadows your necessity for something you hold dear, God requires you to sacrifice it, for only then do you have your priorities straight.

To watch your Son suffer and die must have been agonizing for the Father, but He was willing to sacrifice His Son for all of us. That is an enormous amount of love, a staggering concept.

All religions must be tolerated... for every man must get to heaven in his own way.

It's not staggering for an omnipotent omnipresent immutable eternal infinite and omniscient being in fact it is basically negligible .

^^ THIS

Depends on if you believe man can be (a) God/god. The writers of the Torah certainly didn't think so.

You must not be a father.

You are correct

All religions must be tolerated... for every man must get to heaven in his own way.

It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.

God is in parts...infinite finite....God is whole infinite infinity
God as a whole transcends "thinking"...don't you think?

I forget which book chapter and verse..perhaps someone can find the quote.

I hear selfishness and pride in your words. There is a thin line between tolerance and indifference.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.

No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions

sounds like a paradox but it's not

All religions must be tolerated... for every man must get to heaven in his own way.

I never heard Jesus tell me that and I speak to Him all the time

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 02:06 PM

You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart.

He tells me that every time I read His trusted words, you must not be communicating with Christ, instead some lying spirit

This^^

"As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song.

If it makes you feel good to think that then so be it. I will not wrestle to change your mind.You know what they say ,"As a man thinketh..so is he." but it will only be true in your reality.

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 02:13 PM

Exactly! But his son Jesus can and did die. They are two separate individuals. A Father and a son. As in heaven, as on earth.

Really? So there are no other Records?

If you can not understand what is written in the Bible

maybe you should post about something more easy

for you to understand and leave the Bible alone.

But the same according to your belief so I stand in saying God can't die.