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Rising Son User ID: 31269856 Japan 01/06/2013 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Rising Son I hear selfishness and pride in your words. There is a thin line between tolerance and indifference. The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows. No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions sounds like a paradox but it's not You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart. "As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song. I am not familiar with that passage, but why should any man serve his own purpose? He should live for others, in accordance with his Father's will. "Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10 Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28781997 United States 01/06/2013 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Rising Son I hear selfishness and pride in your words. There is a thin line between tolerance and indifference. The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows. No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions sounds like a paradox but it's not You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart. "As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song. Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Aleph Tav The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows. No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions sounds like a paradox but it's not You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart. "As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song. Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Is not God love according to your belief and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Aleph Tav The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows. No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions sounds like a paradox but it's not You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart. "As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song. I am not familiar with that passage, but why should any man serve his own purpose? He should live for others, in accordance with his Father's will. We should not always live to please others though because it can be dangerous remember peer pressure. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3188128 United States 01/06/2013 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The power and number of 3 is a great thing we seem to be over looking as well as the holy spirit. Jesus was supposed to have been 33 1/3 years old when he died and there are three points on the cross as well as many other things you could see that relate to a third thing or item that we are overlooking in our lives that Jesus was privy to. I would call the pyramids in one of those but it has 4 sides to it,but if you look at it from just one side,it appears to have 3 points to it. what are we missing? |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The power and number of 3 is a great thing we seem to be over looking as well as the holy spirit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward Jesus was supposed to have been 33 1/3 years old when he died and there are three points on the cross as well as many other things you could see that relate to a third thing or item that we are overlooking in our lives that Jesus was privy to. I would call the pyramids in one of those but it has 4 sides to it,but if you look at it from just one side,it appears to have 3 points to it. what are we missing? Do numbers really exist? REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Rising Son User ID: 31269856 Japan 01/06/2013 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Rising Son You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart. "As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song. I am not familiar with that passage, but why should any man serve his own purpose? He should live for others, in accordance with his Father's will. We should not always live to please others though because it can be dangerous remember peer pressure. As a father takes pleasure in seeing his children happy, so it is with our brothers and sisters. If you love them, you want them to be happy, and that becomes your purpose. Last Edited by Rising Son on 01/06/2013 02:28 PM "Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10 Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | jc is not dead - and never was. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31612506 his source designed a system of hide and seek...it's a ball! it's your turn now. None of us are really dead we just changed atoms change form REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
TidesofTruth User ID: 1838356 United States 01/06/2013 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like this answer that I found. It makes sense to me... Quoting: abeliever Jesus was both God and man. He had two natures. He was divine and human at the same time. That is, there was the coming-together of two natures in one person. In Heb. 2:9 that Jesus was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ." Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." Jesus was both God and man at the same time. As a man, Jesus cooperated with the limitations of being a man. That is why we have verses like Luke 2:52 that says "Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men." Therefore, at this point in his ministry he could say He did not know the day nor hour of His return. It is not a denial of His being God, but a confirmation of Him being man. link.. [link to carm.org] Yep Let Scripture answer for itself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31616472 United Kingdom 01/06/2013 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They all seem to contradict either each other or common sense in general. If I were you, I'd stop looking in a bible for the answers because you won't find them. What you will find is a few nice quotes and fables amongst a shit load of paranoia and self doubt. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28781997 United States 01/06/2013 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is not God love according to your belief Quoting: Aleph Tav and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29090993 United States 01/06/2013 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the word image from latin. im is in or on age is a process which is roughly my gathering. is simply meant "in his image" means on human kind there was placed a process. i find things much more interesting if we can really gather the meaning of words. "sin" for me means knowledge and not just carnal. i am sure many will disagree and i am not here to make you agree or disagree just do a bit deeper digging. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21291600 United States 01/06/2013 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24056251 And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father? BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all to answer your second question first.... Jesus did not know the day or the hour during his time on Earth. but, he knows now. God sees all sin. He will not be present among it are a part of it, but he sees it even before it takes place. Jesus is God, they are the same. Jesus is God made flesh and it is the flesh of God that took the sins of the world. The perfect atonement and love for His creation. |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is not God love according to your belief Quoting: Aleph Tav and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." You are right I am wrong according to your reality. Remember As a man thinketh...so is he more power to your ego. Just remember all religions are correct yet none are. Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 02:34 PM REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28781997 United States 01/06/2013 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The power and number of 3 is a great thing we seem to be over looking as well as the holy spirit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward Jesus was supposed to have been 33 1/3 years old when he died and there are three points on the cross as well as many other things you could see that relate to a third thing or item that we are overlooking in our lives that Jesus was privy to. I would call the pyramids in one of those but it has 4 sides to it,but if you look at it from just one side,it appears to have 3 points to it. what are we missing? Can I asked where you read about Jesus being 33 1/3 years old? |
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Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is not God love according to your belief Quoting: Aleph Tav and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28781997 United States 01/06/2013 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is not God love according to your belief Quoting: Aleph Tav and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." You are right I am wrong according to your reality. Remember As a man thinketh...so is he more power to your ego. Just remember all religions are correct yet none are. I dont trust in self as you, I trust the words of the Lord are pure and true |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304 there are no contradictions in holy scripture. only human error in interpretation If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is not God love according to your belief Quoting: Aleph Tav and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." You are right I am wrong according to your reality. Remember As a man thinketh...so is he more power to your ego. Just remember all religions are correct yet none are. I dont trust in self as you, I trust the words of the Lord are pure and true No you trust that infallible man has preserved translated and kept God's word which is completely outrageous position. I don't trust in my self I trust in all Gods but no Gods because I know nothing but everything yet nothing. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21291600 United States 01/06/2013 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304 there are no contradictions in holy scripture. only human error in interpretation If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise ego has nothing to do with it. my ego wants to be its own god. as does yours and every human in the world |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 500421 United States 01/06/2013 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24056251 And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father? BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all The people of Israel have always called humans "children of God" ergo all men are sons of God and all women daughters. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28781997 United States 01/06/2013 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is not God love according to your belief Quoting: Aleph Tav and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure 1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304 there are no contradictions in holy scripture. only human error in interpretation If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise ego has nothing to do with it. my ego wants to be its own god. as does yours and every human in the world Ego never admits anything REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31618304 United States 01/06/2013 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31618304 there are no contradictions in holy scripture. only human error in interpretation So explain this... Why did "God" mark Cain for all to see when according to the Bible, there were only 4 people on the Earth at that time? Who is the ALL would have seen the mark? |
Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas 01/06/2013 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is not God love according to your belief Quoting: Aleph Tav and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension. God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure 1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If you think so.. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 500421 United States 01/06/2013 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This: [link to www.immortality-club.com] |