If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

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Sorry, but you are wrong

it is plural in the Hebrew

to make this as simple as possible, have a look in your Strong's Concordance

the word translated "God" in Genesis 1:1 is H430

the word elohyim is a masculine noun and the plural of H433 (Eloah)

if you have studied any Hebrew, you would know that "-im" is a plural form of the word

Mighty ones

Here is Strong's outline of Biblical use of the word:


1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods

2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God

Actually I'm pretty sure that Jesus's own words in red state that the Father is greater than he. I don't have my bible with me at the moment otherwise I would find the verse. Anyone else familiar with the passage?

Elohim is NOT plural.

It can never be considered plural.

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Oh yes, the "they 'could have been' 100s of years old at the time", bullshit.

The one where Christians make shit up so all the pieces fit together with zero evidence or proof that people lived that long.

Kinda like the Earth is only 6000 years old.

Ridiculous, and you're a seminary student?

Hell was created for the fallen angels and they will be the ones torturing you because you are making the choice to go there.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

hahah weak come back. weak.

the earth is NOT 6000 years old, but it might have been created in that amount of time.

big difference.

give it up.
you can't win this debate with your faulty agenda and dark heart.

The only hell is the one you create

YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ:


"I, alone, am The Father manifest in creation... Immanu El."



Full Text:


God With Us


11/15/10 From The Lord, Our God and Savior - The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy, During an Online Bible/Letter Study - For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Thus says The Lord your Redeemer: Beloved, consider My words, consider them deeply... No, not according to your own interpretation, or according to your own understanding; nor grab hold of them to make them fit with what you perceive them to be, as though they can in any way be molded... My words are subject to no man, for they do resist conformity!



Beloved, I have formed you!...

My breath resides in you.




And I have poured out this blessing, so you may begin to see, so you may know My will, so you may hear in your own language, according to how you are able... Beloved, I speak, so you may be drawn to Me! I proclaim it, so the Scripture may be fulfilled in your hearing.
My people must be made aware, the call must go out... And so it is, and has been, since the time of the end began... Yea, since the first moment I opened My mouth to speak, since the first moment I breathed upon My elect, even to the outpouring upon all flesh.
Yet I ask you, do you know? Do you really know Me? DO YOU KNOW?!... Beloved, do you know Me?! Have you considered that which is beyond words? Have you considered the love of your Father and the power thereof?
Do you know Me?... Have you sat still, and listened to the music of My heart toward you?... My tears that fall gently, making soft tones upon the strings we share?



Beloved, do you not see who I AM?!...

Do you not understand what My body is?!...


As The Son can in no wise be separated from The Father,
Neither can one of you be separated from Me!




See with greater eyes, open your ears and listen, reach out with your heart to understand... You were made for Me! Yet I tell you, it is much more... Much more!
I am He through whom you were made, yes, My breath has given you life. Yet there is more... There’s more, beloved!
What are children to their parents? Are they not formed in their image, flesh of their flesh?... Born, then shaped by that which they see and receive, in accordance with their understanding? Yet the bond they share, is it of flesh only, defined also by the mind?... Or is it more?...



Nothing, in all creation, can exist apart from Me!...

Nor can anything exist outside of Me!



I, alone, dwell in the unapproachable light with The Father...

I, alone, am The Father manifest in creation...


Immanu El.



Therefore, again I ask you, do you know Me? Have you really known Me?... Behold, you shall know Me! Yet I tell you, not one of you really know Me, and those in the world remain very far from Me.
For none of you realize that you, little children, are indeed gods... You are God’s!... YOU WERE MADE FROM ME! No one can exist apart from The Vine! No one can exist, unless that which is The Existence and The Life be in them!... You were not just made for Me, you were made from Me! No one can escape Me! No one can run from Me!... Though they hide, though they run, though the darkness closes in, there I am still.



Be deceived no longer...

You are My body and of My body.



That, by which you were formed, is that which I am...

YaHuWaH... He who causes to be...



Behold, I am also The Son of Man!... YahuShua.



You are the heart of My heart... Shall I cut out My own heart and toss it away? I have loved you from the beginning! My love never ends!... It is who I am, the same as I am!
And those, who choose to be broken off, must be broken off and destroyed, for they have rent the heart of God, a rent which I shall bear forever... For I have loved them, and My love is without end.



Therefore, it is time for you to truly know Me...

To know Me as I really am...

To know Me according to how I have made you.



Shut your eyes, so you may come to see My form...

Quiet your minds, so you may hear the sound of My voice
And the music which I play for you...



Be still...


And know...


I AM HE.



Beloved, stop looking for Me with your eyes, and see! Stop passively listening to My words, and hear! Stop seeking Me with your mind, and know Me! Receive of Me!... Yea, stop speaking, quiet yourselves, and abide in Me.
Grab hold of Me with your hearts, abide in Me as you are, and pull hard upon these strings! Fall deeply in love with Me... No, not according to your flesh... Let go, and fall into Me!
Let go of all you hold onto, forever striving to attain... Stop grasping with your flesh! I am poured out for you! Break down these boundaries you have made, and leap!



HERE I AM!...

I have been waiting for you!...

Not because of that which I see on the surface,
Nor because of those things you do...


I have waited for YOU!...

For I have known you and loved you from the beginning...


I see you as you are and have always been...

In My bosom, with Me, where I am...

Fulfilling My love in you, in ME!...



Says The Lord, who is risen up and comes quickly.



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Your wrong...


Elohim

“The word Elohim is the plural of El (or possibly Eloah) and is the first name of God given in the Old Testament: “In the beginning, God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth, (Gen. 1:1).

“The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking – it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean “gods” when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular

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Dont use strongs if you dont know how to use it

Yahoshua was not a Christian he was a Nazoraion (in Greek). John 18:5, 18:7, Acts 22:8 NZRolam(Hebrew. Christianity started at Antioch Acts 11:26.

That means Christianity is not the teaching you should be looking at. The bible was not the bible till over 400 years after the death and resurrection of Yahoshua the Nazoraion.
Many books were excepted, even the KJV excepts the Apocrypha.
God is plural Elohim, In Genesis 1:1 it say In a beginning created the Elohim or Gods the heavens the Earth. So there are many Elohim. It would take me hours to walk though with you the deceptions of the Christian Church. But you asked if he was God, yes he was one of them. To me he is the only one I like because he healed saved and stood up for the poor.

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
If wont be the few that will be mislead it will be the many, seek and you will find,

The King James version is based upon the Constantine (pagan) "bible". It is also and altered document, that is rife with "additions" and made into a political tool to control the people.

Thats what your gut tells you but you are dead wrong and your ego wont let you see it.
I thought you were a theologian and a philosopher, you responses for the most part are lame and weak but more than that they are surprisingly uneducated.

Yep...and it is fascinating what the ACTUAL, original writings say. The guy people call "Jesus" was an ESSENE. And he was married. And he would have been great on GLP.

Jesus was the express image, in the flesh, of the attributes of the father, in whom the Godhead, the Father, dwelt bodily, right here with us, Emmanuel. When Jesus took on the sins of the world, the Holy Spirit, God the Father, left Him because He could not look on sin.

Isaiah 13:12
I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

The only begotten of the father, the perfect man, stood the test to the death, without sinning. He bought our salvation from death, Power of Darkness, by proving Him a Liar.

Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

The old right hand of God, has been replaced by the light, who took the book of life from the hand of Death by prevailing until the death, blameless.

Revelation 5

5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

when God spoke out of the Darkness in the old testament, the disannuled one, made with death,

Isaiah 28

16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

that a man who kept those laws and statutes perfectly would live by them, yet Christ died blameless.

Now you know. The True Father could look upon and fill the man Jesus who was perfect and fulfilled the law and statutes perfectly! For you and for me!!

OK I but I told I am all religions and no religions I take the the Bible as any other religious books.

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 03:42 PM

It's impossible for Christians to win a debate about their beliefs, you have zero proof and you just keep making shit up and claiming you're winning debates.

The last time I checked, people were fleeing Christianity in droves.

You're on a sinking ship of pure fantasy and make believe.

bitter bitter bitter

there is a mountain of evidence, many mountains

but, you continue with your line of thinking.
hope you get what you hope to get from it.

Epictetus was right when he said: It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.

And thats why the Bible says you are on the broad road to hell

I personally prefer Aesop's fables it's quite interesting and always has a moral to teach me.

Actually NO the Lord God DID NOT KNOW, which becomes quite obvious from the little chatter he has with Adam.

Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Aren't you even little curious of such reaction from the Omnipotent and All-Knowing God? If this God of Old Testament YHVH was truly the real All-Knowing God he would not ask "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" for he would know the answer before asking such silly question, but if this God was indeed false God of Material World with limited knowledge desiring to be like Most High, The Father the Real God then it would make perfect sense. So this Blood Thirsty and Insecure YHVH did not know that sin had occurred once he saw them hiding, but rather only after Adam revealed that he was afraid because he was naked.

I am sure all religious books say something about that this is nothing new that's why I am all religions and no religion

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my gawd this is such an ignorant world when it comes to understanding God and the cosmos. Throw away the bible and get something better. Nobody knows the day because of the intense planning involved and other issues like where man is going and earthchanges and ever so much more. YOU ARE ALSO GOD OP, meaning a SON OF GOD. God the Father is not a person per se, but the source of all that is including your MIND. God is MIND. Jesus is both God and hierarchy. Hierarchy makes the rules and runs the whole creation not "god" the Father.

Then why do you only hate the true God and curse Him for creating hell and accuse Him of using all these torture methods. Funny thing is that you were ignorant of even the reason hell was created.

I was a Christian for 20+ years looking for this "mountain of evidence" you claim there is. Your proof boils down to one piece of paper.

Care to post a few of these links with mountains of evidence please?

Well we wont really know the truth about everything until we see GOD and the mystery is finished.

The important thing is that we believe Yeshua is the messiah and died for our trangressions..that he is the only way to be reconciled to GOD the father .
That he is the way..the truth and light


ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS AGREE ON THAT

I never said or showed any hate or malice of any kind towards your God nor did I curse (you sure do put words in people's mouths). And I am sure everybody's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.

We are a part of God. A part of a cycle, a wheel of the heavens.

We learn everything over hundreds of greater incarnations until we re-unite with God. The ultimate consciousness.

Then the Universal controllers descend from God to the Bottom of the cycle and incarnate as life again, over and over.


The physical realm we are in is pretty low in the upswing side. We have a LOONG journey of life in spirit.

We slowly evolve into pure thought, God force.