If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

Now you are making things up... you false accuser...

I'm not ready to throw anything out. Stop telling lies!

You might have to do your own study because all through this discussion you have ignored Jesus' precise teachings to insert your own dogma.

The reason I didn't answer the Thomas line is because quite simply it is absolutely contradicted in earlier pieces that I have posted.

Why didn't Jesus ever say "I am GOD"?

To prove it all again & again, over and over is a complete is a waste of my time.

I will follow Jesus' instructions when confronted with people like you, however I do not wish you any of the ill will that the verses following this one would suggest. suggest.

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

I'll just agree to disagree!

You post a video about a book from a pro Islam youtube account. A book that claims to be older than the Bible. I can only assume you are promoting this book or why else would you promote it? Are you not using this book to promote your view? If thats what you did would you like to recant your position and denounce your view of the book now? that would be OK, so what, you made a mistake.

Jesus never denied being God in the Bible, never denied it to Thomas either. So was Thomas deceived and had the pagan trinity deception conspiracy already begun and Thomas had fell victim to it and was deceived yet Jesus failed to correct him because he was tired? You expect true believers to swallow that?

mental masturbation...get on with paradise creation and finish up the theorizing...its not helping any of us will REAL life here. I love it how followers of the gospel spend so much time studying this or that but miss the big point of bringing the garden of eden back to earth again. Thats the real goal. The big secret is that God is each and every one of us - some realize and create heaven on earth as best they can, while most fuss around with nonsense of every type.

Jesus criticized religious leaders of his time for misleading people. He said to them.." you roam around the world to convert people to your religion; after converting him, you double his chance to enter hell". Jesus was not supporting any religion, because God is not limited to any religion.

Lets just say all leave your religions and forget your petty arguments, you all argue over Jesus, when he himself didn't exactly like religion and said you have a higher chance of going to hell when you are part of a religion.

I mean if you look at the small amount of people that will get into heaven(if it exists)and how low it is you will notice is makes no sense compared to all the religious people there are, you should all listen to Jesus and stop being part of organized religion and trust in your teacher( i don't believe he exists and i'm not religious) just pointing out the obvious.

Revelation 1:1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

Revelation 3:14 The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God,

Revelation 1:4 Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spiritsa before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Rev 12:17 ... keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 20:6 they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Revelation 21:23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

Rev 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and My new name.

Revelation 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

Revelation 11:15 The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,

Revelation 11:17 We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.

Revelation 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 1:18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!

Revelation 19:6 For our Lord God Almighty reigns. ... For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.

There can only be one Alpha(beginning) and Omega(end), you can't have two.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Jesus not before man? Moses the terrible? Its like you never read the Bible at all.

Joh_17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


Mat_8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Mat_17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat_17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat_19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat_19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mat_22:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
Mat_23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mar_1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Mar_7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar_9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Mar_9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar_10:3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
Mar_10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
Mar_12:19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
Mar_12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Luk_2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
Luk_5:14 And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Luk_9:30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
Luk_9:33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
Luk_16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk_16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luk_20:28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
Luk_20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
Luk_24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk_24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh_1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Joh_3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh_5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Joh_5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Joh_6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh_7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Joh_7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh_7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh_8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh_9:28 Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.

"Before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection He said the Father alone knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn't until after Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection that omniscience is attributed to Jesus."

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Passages where Jesus speaks about his relationship to the Father are:

“Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58).

Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me ( John 14:11)

I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. (John 17:21)

Mark (14:60-64).

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death. (63-64).

Psalm 110:1 The LORD says to my lord sit at my right hand, until I make your adversaries your footstool.


1Cor15:20 when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he[CHRIST] must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son[CHRIST] also himself **be subject** unto him[THE FATHER] that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

You don't believe the teacher exists,

But BEHOLD how greatly YOU have been taught!

Oh I read the Bible very closely and studied it! What makes me different, to most, is I noted all the unGODly things in it... told to us by men.

For example if any of the gospels have been added to by men then they could have added anything anywhere.

You will notice that John 5:4, Acts 8:37, and 1 John 5:7. Mark 16:9-20 are missing from some Bibles.

This is because Bible scholars think they were added later, by scribes for any number of reasons.

If you didn't know this then ... SURPRISE!

What other verses have been added or tampered with?

If GOD inspired the tampering then his omniscience is put into question as he didn't get it right from the beginning.

When Jesus' changed Moses' laws, given to Moses allegedly from GOD, then what does that say?

If Jesus and GOD are the same... Did they get it wrong the first time?

Did GOD really tell Moses to put dust in women's holy water? Is GOD really that dumb?

You are allowed to think you know!