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Dangerous & Unhealthy! The Vegan Diet

 
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The vegan diet is an extremely dangerous diet, even with supplements. The human body is designed to digest both plant and animal as foods. Cults use malnourishment to brainwash people and keep them from rebelling. Notice the great increase in the amount of vegans in the past 5 years?

Every vegan I've met seems unhealthy in some way, mentally, physically, or spiritually (or any combination of the three). Animal flesh has a vital factor that you simply cannot get from a diet lacking meat.

The vegan diet is promoted as being somehow morally/spiritually superior than a diet which incorporates meats. A vegan diet is worse for human beings than an omnivorous diet. The feeling people mistake as spiritual when switching to a vegan diet is actually the loss of vitality.
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I agree in most cases, some people however can handle the vegan diet and mantain health and vitality. It depends on your genetic heritage & lifestyle. We are in general, as humans, an omnivorous species.
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vegan diet can work as long as your not butt stupid.


Soy oil as we know here on Glp is the most dengerous POS you can put on your mouth.

real vegans knows not to eat margarine.
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you really are a fucking moron, aren't you?

i will never understand why so many are threatened by a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle... pretty pathetic and completely unfounded.

sorry about your tiny penis.
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Veganism is the diet the elite want to feed their slaves.
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Re: Dangerous & Unhealthy! The Vegan Diet
The vegan diet is an extremely dangerous diet, even with supplements. The human body is designed to digest both plant and animal as foods. Cults use malnourishment to brainwash people and keep them from rebelling. Notice the great increase in the amount of vegans in the past 5 years?

Every vegan I've met seems unhealthy in some way, mentally, physically, or spiritually (or any combination of the three). Animal flesh has a vital factor that you simply cannot get from a diet lacking meat.

The vegan diet is promoted as being somehow morally/spiritually superior than a diet which incorporates meats. A vegan diet is worse for human beings than an omnivorous diet. The feeling people mistake as spiritual when switching to a vegan diet is actually the loss of vitality.
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Not true. While I prefer to be an omnivore, and in a collapse you'd likely need to be one, most of the world's people are vegans because they don't have access to livestock, but would most likely prefer to be vegetarians eating the occasional egg and milk.

How can you support your claim?

It's true that certain nutrients are not as available or that the bioavailability of the nutrient like calcium is less condensed than say, milk, something I recently wrote about in my signature here, but there are other options in the bean family.

A lot of people are changing their diet to something like vegan because of interest in that lifestyle, but I agree that ultimately their health is not better they don't vary their diet and could end up with nutrional defficientcies. However you could equally say the same with a Western diet.

If you can't grow your own food, whatever it may be, then you don't have food security. And in this time of great uncertainty, potential dollar collapse, inflation, severe loss of property, etc then it only makes sense to learn skills that will allow you to do so.
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vast majority of vegetarians i know do not look real healthy IMO, look like they could use some minerals from MEAT
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Not true. While I prefer to be an omnivore, and in a collapse you'd likely need to be one, most of the world's people are vegans because they don't have access to livestock, but would most likely prefer to be vegetarians eating the occasional egg and milk.

How can you support your claim?

It's true that certain nutrients are not as available or that the bioavailability of the nutrient like calcium is less condensed than say, milk, something I recently wrote about in my signature here, but there are other options in the bean family.

A lot of people are changing their diet to something like vegan because of interest in that lifestyle, but I agree that ultimately their health is not better they don't vary their diet and could end up with nutrional defficientcies. However you could equally say the same with a Western diet.

If you can't grow your own food, whatever it may be, then you don't have food security. And in this time of great uncertainty, potential dollar collapse, inflation, severe loss of property, etc then it only makes sense to learn skills that will allow you to do so.
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People in poor countries who eat a vegetarian diet still get meat from insects that get into their food. It's not as good as pork or beef cuts, however, it is not a vegan diet. When Hindu immigrants came to the UK with a vegetarian diet they suddenly experienced malnutrition they didn't experience in India. The reason is because in India their vegetarian diets still had insects. In the UK, food is less likely to have insects in it due to cleanliness of processing/packaging.
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ever since i STOPPED eating met:

i no longer have heartburn
i no longer have indigestion
i no longer have high blood pressure
i no longer have bloating
i no longer have a fat gut
i no longer have constipation

and now my body feels electric.

buzzing like a bee.

can you say the same???
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vast majority of vegetarians i know do not look real healthy IMO, look like they could use some minerals from MEAT
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The vast majority of people don't look real healthy, can't walk very far, can't lift anything heavy, don't know anything other than what was spoonfed to them, can't grow food, can't hunt, fish, trap, ride a horse, swing a sword, shoot a bow and arrow, ad nauseum.

So....

I agree, I know vegetarians who largely ate noodles and cheese like that's a diet. They couldn't tell me what a sumac plant looks like, collect some sassafras, knew a maple from an oak, etc. However I know a lot of meat eaters who are the same.

It's a lame argument unless someone can show evidence that a vegan diet is inferior in theory.

There are allegendly people who do this for spiritual reasons which is admirable. However then I see them doing a lot of questionable things in their lives, so it unfortunantly negates the effect.

By the way, one could intellectually demonstrate that a vegan diet was inferior if you spent minimal time from academic sources.

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a year ago i would have said bullshit but i have been on an almost total vegan diet for over a year and have not noticed any benefit really. i have been eating meat recently and do feel better. a friend eats almost all protein diet with almost no carbs and likes it so who knows.
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ever since i STOPPED eating met:

i no longer have heartburn
i no longer have indigestion
i no longer have high blood pressure
i no longer have bloating
i no longer have a fat gut
i no longer have constipation

and now my body feels electric.

buzzing like a bee.

can you say the same???
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i also use supplements:

maca
alfalfa
spirilina
chlorophyll
kelp
cacao

i also use crystals and stones.
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It is a fact that part of humans evolving large brains was due to the consumption of Meat.
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I own and operate a very busy health food store and from what i have seen over the years and believe me, I see my share of Vegans, they are unhealthy for the most part. For the first phase of the diet,they do well and then starts the decline. Blood type A's fare a bit better than the rest but eventually they spiral down. By the time many of them start feeling bad or loosing muscle mass, they have spent so much time preaching and defending their views that they will not change their distructive eating.
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I own and operate a very busy health food store and from what i have seen over the years and believe me, I see my share of Vegans, they are unhealthy for the most part. For the first phase of the diet,they do well and then starts the decline. Blood type A's fare a bit better than the rest but eventually they spiral down. By the time many of them start feeling bad or loosing muscle mass, they have spent so much time preaching and defending their views that they will not change their distructive eating.
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Re: Dangerous & Unhealthy! The Vegan Diet
ever since i STOPPED eating met:

i no longer have heartburn
i no longer have indigestion
i no longer have high blood pressure
i no longer have bloating
i no longer have a fat gut
i no longer have constipation

and now my body feels electric.

buzzing like a bee.

can you say the same???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26723206


I got similar benefits by cutting out sugar in my diet.

I own and operate a very busy health food store and from what i have seen over the years and believe me, I see my share of Vegans, they are unhealthy for the most part. For the first phase of the diet,they do well and then starts the decline. Blood type A's fare a bit better than the rest but eventually they spiral down. By the time many of them start feeling bad or loosing muscle mass, they have spent so much time preaching and defending their views that they will not change their distructive eating.
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Veganism is good for a detox I hear. However it shouldn't last very long. Maybe a month at most. That's why initially vegans feel great on their diet, but then their health declines the longer they are on a vegan diet.
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Most people in Western nations due to carrying capacity and lack of skill knowledge would starve to death because there's inadequate amounts of food that they could cultivate, forage for, raise as livestock, hunt or fish for, or even trap.

A varied diet allows a tribal person to harvest from their area based upon season. A educated tribal person who raises crops using permaculture ideas could eat quite well by harvested food and preserving it.

Because a lot of food comes from distant places, and because a lot of farmers have switched to monoculture, many people can't feed themselves anymore.

Should an interuption in the supply chain occur, mass starvation would happen.

Because most people have no idea how to grow or collect food, they would die slowly through malnutrition and nutritional defficiencies.

Many foods that people eat are foods that cannot be grown in their environment, aren't hardy enough to be harvested there, can't tolerate the local rainfall, won't grow at all due to temperature and climate requirements.

It's a moot point that one diet is less healthy when the real issue is that people have forgotten how to be people. They are enslaved by corporations.

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wow, where has ac been the past twenty years? evidence of the superiority of a vegan, especially raw vegan diet over the SAD(standard american diet} has been documented by the likes of ann wigmore, victorus kulvinskas, david wolfe, and countless other researchers and scientists. evidence of the sad diets lack of vitamins and minerals we need is all around us. its not the longtime vegans on the lists of folks with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and on and on. the goal of the milk, meat, beer, wine, booze, fast food folks is 2 make us the fattest, weakest, most unhealthy people on the face of the earth. oh, that right, they have succeeded. vegan folk may tend 2 b a bit much at times 2 an omnivore but after a few years of experimentation and maturation they r much healthier than my brothers and sisters eating at the trough of the american fast food monster. get some facts ac and good luck with your colonoskopy.
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wow, where has ac been the past twenty years? evidence of the superiority of a vegan, especially raw vegan diet over the SAD(standard american diet} has been documented by the likes of ann wigmore, victorus kulvinskas, david wolfe, and countless other researchers and scientists. evidence of the sad diets lack of vitamins and minerals we need is all around us. its not the longtime vegans on the lists of folks with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and on and on. the goal of the milk, meat, beer, wine, booze, fast food folks is 2 make us the fattest, weakest, most unhealthy people on the face of the earth. oh, that right, they have succeeded. vegan folk may tend 2 b a bit much at times 2 an omnivore but after a few years of experimentation and maturation they r much healthier than my brothers and sisters eating at the trough of the american fast food monster. get some facts ac and good luck with your colonoskopy.
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fast food is garbage and a clean diet is a must vegan or not.
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wow, where has ac been the past twenty years? evidence of the superiority of a vegan, especially raw vegan diet over the SAD(standard american diet} has been documented by the likes of ann wigmore, victorus kulvinskas, david wolfe, and countless other researchers and scientists. evidence of the sad diets lack of vitamins and minerals we need is all around us. its not the longtime vegans on the lists of folks with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and on and on. the goal of the milk, meat, beer, wine, booze, fast food folks is 2 make us the fattest, weakest, most unhealthy people on the face of the earth. oh, that right, they have succeeded. vegan folk may tend 2 b a bit much at times 2 an omnivore but after a few years of experimentation and maturation they r much healthier than my brothers and sisters eating at the trough of the american fast food monster. get some facts ac and good luck with your colonoskopy.
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fast food is garbage and a clean diet is a must vegan or not.
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Steve Jobs may be remembered most for his innovations in technology, but PETA and other green groups will also remember the Apple co-founder for his kindness to animals and efforts to help the environment.

Jobs, 56, passed away Wednesday after an extended battle with cancer.

The animal rights organization praised Jobs for his vegetarianism and his support of animals through the "Pixar film studio [that] created heartwarming and thought-provoking movies about unlikely animal heroes."


If i remember correct steve jobs died of CANCER, and his juice cocktails didnt work so good fighting that now did they???
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Not true. While I prefer to be an omnivore, and in a collapse you'd likely need to be one, most of the world's people are vegans because they don't have access to livestock, but would most likely prefer to be vegetarians eating the occasional egg and milk.

How can you support your claim?

It's true that certain nutrients are not as available or that the bioavailability of the nutrient like calcium is less condensed than say, milk, something I recently wrote about in my signature here, but there are other options in the bean family.

A lot of people are changing their diet to something like vegan because of interest in that lifestyle, but I agree that ultimately their health is not better they don't vary their diet and could end up with nutrional defficientcies. However you could equally say the same with a Western diet.

If you can't grow your own food, whatever it may be, then you don't have food security. And in this time of great uncertainty, potential dollar collapse, inflation, severe loss of property, etc then it only makes sense to learn skills that will allow you to do so.
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Cite your source that most of the worlds people are vegan. I find that difficult to believe.
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this how we should probably be eating. vegs and fruits with meat thrown in only every couple of days.
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thats how we evolved right? we didnt eat meat everyday we had to catch it.
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The healthiest people I see, consume a balanced diet of fresh, organic foods and stay away from additives, refined sugar and fast food. keep it clean and natural for a long and healthy life. Also, stay away from vaccines, floride and chlorine. At 65, most can't believe I am past 40.
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wow, where has ac been the past twenty years? evidence of the superiority of a vegan, especially raw vegan diet over the SAD(standard american diet} has been documented by the likes of ann wigmore, victorus kulvinskas, david wolfe, and countless other researchers and scientists. evidence of the sad diets lack of vitamins and minerals we need is all around us. its not the longtime vegans on the lists of folks with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and on and on. the goal of the milk, meat, beer, wine, booze, fast food folks is 2 make us the fattest, weakest, most unhealthy people on the face of the earth. oh, that right, they have succeeded. vegan folk may tend 2 b a bit much at times 2 an omnivore but after a few years of experimentation and maturation they r much healthier than my brothers and sisters eating at the trough of the american fast food monster. get some facts ac and good luck with your colonoskopy.
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Raw food is a fad diet and I would not trust any of these raw food gurus. Humans derive superior nutrition from cooked food. Cooking deactivates/destroys many harmful chemicals contained in plants.
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thats how we evolved right? we didnt eat meat everyday we had to catch it.
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yes and there was a lot of exercise involved in chasing the meat, for the men at least. Periods of no food, mixed with hunting trips for days to get the meat.
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It truly is unhealthy. My good cholesterol dropped down into the teens when I tried the vegan diet. I nearly died. You fruit cakes can shove it. I'm eating my protein from here out. Thank God I'm back up to normal levels.
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The problem here is not eating meat per se, but the quality of the meat we digest nowadays( lifestyle the meat has, the way they kill it), its all energy.
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It is a fact that part of humans evolving large brains was due to the consumption of Meat.
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more specifically, consumption of brain's tounge
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wow, where has ac been the past twenty years? evidence of the superiority of a vegan, especially raw vegan diet over the SAD(standard american diet} has been documented by the likes of ann wigmore, victorus kulvinskas, david wolfe, and countless other researchers and scientists. evidence of the sad diets lack of vitamins and minerals we need is all around us. its not the longtime vegans on the lists of folks with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and on and on. the goal of the milk, meat, beer, wine, booze, fast food folks is 2 make us the fattest, weakest, most unhealthy people on the face of the earth. oh, that right, they have succeeded. vegan folk may tend 2 b a bit much at times 2 an omnivore but after a few years of experimentation and maturation they r much healthier than my brothers and sisters eating at the trough of the american fast food monster. get some facts ac and good luck with your colonoskopy.
 Quoting: contented stranger 31461471


fast food is garbage and a clean diet is a must vegan or not.
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Steve Jobs may be remembered most for his innovations in technology, but PETA and other green groups will also remember the Apple co-founder for his kindness to animals and efforts to help the environment.

Jobs, 56, passed away Wednesday after an extended battle with cancer.

Linda McCartney was fanatical about her vegan diet, she died from cancer at age 56
The animal rights organization praised Jobs for his vegetarianism and his support of animals through the "Pixar film studio [that] created heartwarming and thought-provoking movies about unlikely animal heroes."


If i remember correct steve jobs died of CANCER, and his juice cocktails didnt work so good fighting that now did they???
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