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Gene Rosen ... Grieving Town Grandfather, or Bad 'Crisis Actor'

 
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watching the videos of the "grieving" parents, especially the mothers, makes me think of the title of the movie when it comes out:


The Stepford Wives Move to Sandy Hook
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32040017


Watching you make fun of parents whom have lost a child is much like watching films of the Nazis gassing Jews, Gypsies, and anyone else who did not fit their vision. I can see the title of the news story:

"Heartless and Brainless Conspiracy Theorists Make Fun of Grieving Parents, Suggest They Should 'Suck It Up'"
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And ppl like you are the reason the news sucks
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I've seen all the conspiracy videos of this.. And it gets you to believe that are government is capable and very motivated to do something like this. Why? For gun control. You can't have a dictatorship with citizens who have weapons. As much as I don't want to believe it's a hoax.. People such as Robbie Parker, Gene Rosen and all the faults in the story told through the media leave you to wonder. I'm 19 years old and lost my father this past year. Me and my brother were the two people who found him after a self-inflicted gun wound. And I can go ahead and say I will remember every single detail from that day. These people just seem a little bit too confused for such a tragedy like this. I don't want to hear from the parents and neighbors who weren't even there. I want to hear from the kids, some survivors from the school. This whole story just doesn't add up.
 Quoting: Al 32306595


I remember the day when my brother ran his arm through a glass window, slicing open an artery and spewing blood all over the place. Yet, in spite of my "vivid" recollection, my recollections differ from those of my sisters and my brother. Go figure. Memory is a funny thing, and just because you think your memory was supposedly vivid does not mean your vivid memories are accurate or even consistent with what you remembered immediately after a traumatic event.

People here need to get a clue. Sandy Hook was all the justification the anti-gun people needed to clamor for gun control. Indeed, I have not one use of the Rosen portion of this story with respect to gun control.

FYI: You will never meet any of these children from the classroom where the shootings occurred, because they are CHILDREN. It is illegal to interview children without parent's permission, and I, for one, would not want my child reliving that nightmare just to satisfy your morbid curiosity.
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What exactly did Mr. Rosen see that was so traumatic though? Did he personally see Adam Lanza murdering children? No. He came outside of his house and saw 6 kids sitting on his lawn. Six kids...sitting in a circle on his lawn. I'm sure hearing the kids saying their teacher was dead would be shocking...but is this really traumatic enough to cause memory lapses and the amount of discrepancies that he has spewed?

Short answer...no.
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Well, I don't buy the Actor stuff, I think this was a horrible tragedy that is unexplained...

BUT, I think that there is a big problem in this school's emergency protocol in that 6 kids somehow ended up outside of the custody of school and/or emergency personnel. It's just insane how everyone just buys the Gene as hero story, overlooking problems.

Gene Rosen says that the kids were there at least 30 minutes before talking about the event (in one of his recollections) and he also gave them juice and fed them.
(by the way - Why would you be feeding traumatized kids? Would kids want to eat right after seeing their teacher and classmates shot in the head?)

So, did he even call for emergency help? Because half an hour is a long time for kids to be unaccounted for. I am not saying this is Gene Rosen's fault, but it IS the schools' responsibility. These were the MOST traumatized children that day, and they may have needed some emergency help. Children should not end up in a stranger's house, for obvious reasons.

So, I don't know what happened, but it calls the school's emergency protocol into question (like how Lanza got into that school or why the video was turned off or why it took so long for police to arrive) and makes one wonder if part of what is "off" is that local authorities may simply be covering up all these little screw ups in safety preparedness, instead of being honest.
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I've seen all the conspiracy videos of this.. And it gets you to believe that are government is capable and very motivated to do something like this. Why? For gun control. You can't have a dictatorship with citizens who have weapons. As much as I don't want to believe it's a hoax.. People such as Robbie Parker, Gene Rosen and all the faults in the story told through the media leave you to wonder. I'm 19 years old and lost my father this past year. Me and my brother were the two people who found him after a self-inflicted gun wound. And I can go ahead and say I will remember every single detail from that day. These people just seem a little bit too confused for such a tragedy like this. I don't want to hear from the parents and neighbors who weren't even there. I want to hear from the kids, some survivors from the school. This whole story just doesn't add up.
 Quoting: Al 32306595


I remember the day when my brother ran his arm through a glass window, slicing open an artery and spewing blood all over the place. Yet, in spite of my "vivid" recollection, my recollections differ from those of my sisters and my brother. Go figure. Memory is a funny thing, and just because you think your memory was supposedly vivid does not mean your vivid memories are accurate or even consistent with what you remembered immediately after a traumatic event.

People here need to get a clue. Sandy Hook was all the justification the anti-gun people needed to clamor for gun control. Indeed, I have not one use of the Rosen portion of this story with respect to gun control.

FYI: You will never meet any of these children from the classroom where the shootings occurred, because they are CHILDREN. It is illegal to interview children without parent's permission, and I, for one, would not want my child reliving that nightmare just to satisfy your morbid curiosity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5694974


What exactly did Mr. Rosen see that was so traumatic though? Did he personally see Adam Lanza murdering children? No. He came outside of his house and saw 6 kids sitting on his lawn. Six kids...sitting in a circle on his lawn. I'm sure hearing the kids saying their teacher was dead would be shocking...but is this really traumatic enough to cause memory lapses and the amount of discrepancies that he has spewed?

Short answer...no.
 Quoting: SheepNation


That is YOUR opinion, which thus far is uncorroborated by any authority. Mr. Rosen is around 70 years old. How do you know his frame of mind? Have you talked with him? He may have been completely hysterical that day. I know I was extremely stressed because of the lives lost, and I wasn't even near the state.
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Well, I don't buy the Actor stuff, I think this was a horrible tragedy that is unexplained...

BUT, I think that there is a big problem in this school's emergency protocol in that 6 kids somehow ended up outside of the custody of school and/or emergency personnel. It's just insane how everyone just buys the Gene as hero story, overlooking problems.

Gene Rosen says that the kids were there at least 30 minutes before talking about the event (in one of his recollections) and he also gave them juice and fed them.
(by the way - Why would you be feeding traumatized kids? Would kids want to eat right after seeing their teacher and classmates shot in the head?)

So, did he even call for emergency help? Because half an hour is a long time for kids to be unaccounted for. I am not saying this is Gene Rosen's fault, but it IS the schools' responsibility. These were the MOST traumatized children that day, and they may have needed some emergency help. Children should not end up in a stranger's house, for obvious reasons.

So, I don't know what happened, but it calls the school's emergency protocol into question (like how Lanza got into that school or why the video was turned off or why it took so long for police to arrive) and makes one wonder if part of what is "off" is that local authorities may simply be covering up all these little screw ups in safety preparedness, instead of being honest.
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Regarding six children being outside of school custody:

According to some reports, the children were told to run and/or hide. Teachers were securing children in their classrooms. However, the teacher of these children was dead. The building is set up to permit exits for safety reasons. The children did what they were told and ran, until they came to a door that opened. Good for them!

why would Gene Rosen call for emergency help? I would have done what he or the bus driver did, try to call the parents. The children were not injured, so clearly there was no emergency. Of course, one thing that Rosen may not have considered is that authorities were trying to figure out where all the survivors were.

As for feeding the children and giving them drinks, I suggest you do whatever you can to comfort the children until their parents can be reached. If the children were hungry or thirsty, then you feed them. What's the big deal? Children at the age of 6 or 7 that have experienced trauma react very differently from adults. Some children may have found comfort in familiar foods.

As for "cover ups," if the school made mistakes, then I am sure there is some measure of mistake hiding or spinning. That tends to be the way that companies, which includes schools, react, at least initially. At least we know for sure that the shooter blasted his way through the door rather than the door being unlocked.

As a side note, give the guy a break. Hero or not, the guy is nearly 70 years old, and it seems to me that he acted like a grandfather. Unfortunately, the term "hero" is overused these days. I would not have called Rosen a hero. He just seemed like a guy trying to do the right thing.
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One account says Adam Lanza killed six of Vicki Soto's students as they tried to escape (the rest were hidden in a closet). It's claimed Lanza then shot her dead after she refused to tell him where the rest of her students were hiding.

Another account has the six children escaping by running past him at the classroom door. Gene Rosen claims the kids who arrived at his house said "Our teacher, Vicki Soto, is dead.", meaning these are the same six children. This also indicates that the children would have escape *after* seeing Vicki Soto killed. So instead of shooting the children, he demanded to know where the other's were *before* opening fire?

If Gene Rosen's account is correct, then which class are the other six children from? Fourteen were killed in Lauren Rousseau's class, six escaped from Vicki Soto's class to Gene Rosen's house, and Vicki Soto hid the other seven in a closet. (None were killed in Kaitlin Roig’s class because she hid all of her students in the bathroom/closet.)
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watching the videos of the "grieving" parents, especially the mothers, makes me think of the title of the movie when it comes out:


The Stepford Wives Move to Sandy Hook
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32040017


Watching you make fun of parents whom have lost a child is much like watching films of the Nazis gassing Jews, Gypsies, and anyone else who did not fit their vision. I can see the title of the news story:

"Heartless and Brainless Conspiracy Theorists Make Fun of Grieving Parents, Suggest They Should 'Suck It Up'"
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And ppl like you are the reason the news sucks
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And people like you help keep aluminum foil manufacturers and psychiatrists in business.
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One account says Adam Lanza killed six of Vicki Soto's students as they tried to escape (the rest were hidden in a closet). It's claimed Lanza then shot her dead after she refused to tell him where the rest of her students were hiding.

Another account has the six children escaping by running past him at the classroom door. Gene Rosen claims the kids who arrived at his house said "Our teacher, Vicki Soto, is dead.", meaning these are the same six children. This also indicates that the children would have escape *after* seeing Vicki Soto killed. So instead of shooting the children, he demanded to know where the other's were *before* opening fire?

If Gene Rosen's account is correct, then which class are the other six children from? Fourteen were killed in Lauren Rousseau's class, six escaped from Vicki Soto's class to Gene Rosen's house, and Vicki Soto hid the other seven in a closet. (None were killed in Kaitlin Roig’s class because she hid all of her students in the bathroom/closet.)
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Basically, what I'm saying is, if six children escaped from Vicki Soto's class, what class are the other six fatalities from? (There were a total of twenty children killed.)

A post from a friend of Soto's on Tumbler claimed that *none* of her students were killed.
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One account says Adam Lanza killed six of Vicki Soto's students as they tried to escape (the rest were hidden in a closet). It's claimed Lanza then shot her dead after she refused to tell him where the rest of her students were hiding.

Another account has the six children escaping by running past him at the classroom door. Gene Rosen claims the kids who arrived at his house said "Our teacher, Vicki Soto, is dead.", meaning these are the same six children. This also indicates that the children would have escape *after* seeing Vicki Soto killed. So instead of shooting the children, he demanded to know where the other's were *before* opening fire?

If Gene Rosen's account is correct, then which class are the other six children from? Fourteen were killed in Lauren Rousseau's class, six escaped from Vicki Soto's class to Gene Rosen's house, and Vicki Soto hid the other seven in a closet. (None were killed in Kaitlin Roig’s class because she hid all of her students in the bathroom/closet.)
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Basically, what I'm saying is, if six children escaped from Vicki Soto's class, what class are the other six fatalities from? (There were a total of twenty children killed.)

A post from a friend of Soto's on Tumbler claimed that *none* of her students were killed.
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Your question is a good one. Where did all the children come from? On the other hand, I have yet to hear from the two (?) mothers who supposedly intercepted five children and then took them to the police station (?).

One problem with events like this is that with blood in the water, every media outlet wants to report something new and different, and often they make significant mistakes in reporting. The first reports I heard said that two people were dead and that no children were reported dead. How off was that report? The media were feeding the public's demand for information, even if their information was incomplete, at best, or outright wrong.

On top of that are people who are being quoted who are clueless about the facts. The end result is a bunch of stories that appear conflicting, but when the facts that are important to the shootings get sorted out, they should all converge.

However, since the children who escaped are not directly relevant to the children who died, I doubt those numbers will be sorted out.
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Re: Gene Rosen ... Grieving Town Grandfather, or Bad 'Crisis Actor'
Well, I don't buy the Actor stuff, I think this was a horrible tragedy that is unexplained...

BUT, I think that there is a big problem in this school's emergency protocol in that 6 kids somehow ended up outside of the custody of school and/or emergency personnel. It's just insane how everyone just buys the Gene as hero story, overlooking problems.

Gene Rosen says that the kids were there at least 30 minutes before talking about the event (in one of his recollections) and he also gave them juice and fed them.
(by the way - Why would you be feeding traumatized kids? Would kids want to eat right after seeing their teacher and classmates shot in the head?)

So, did he even call for emergency help? Because half an hour is a long time for kids to be unaccounted for. I am not saying this is Gene Rosen's fault, but it IS the schools' responsibility. These were the MOST traumatized children that day, and they may have needed some emergency help. Children should not end up in a stranger's house, for obvious reasons.

So, I don't know what happened, but it calls the school's emergency protocol into question (like how Lanza got into that school or why the video was turned off or why it took so long for police to arrive) and makes one wonder if part of what is "off" is that local authorities may simply be covering up all these little screw ups in safety preparedness, instead of being honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31862440


Regarding six children being outside of school custody:

According to some reports, the children were told to run and/or hide. Teachers were securing children in their classrooms. However, the teacher of these children was dead. The building is set up to permit exits for safety reasons. The children did what they were told and ran, until they came to a door that opened. Good for them!

why would Gene Rosen call for emergency help? I would have done what he or the bus driver did, try to call the parents. The children were not injured, so clearly there was no emergency. Of course, one thing that Rosen may not have considered is that authorities were trying to figure out where all the survivors were.

As for feeding the children and giving them drinks, I suggest you do whatever you can to comfort the children until their parents can be reached. If the children were hungry or thirsty, then you feed them. What's the big deal? Children at the age of 6 or 7 that have experienced trauma react very differently from adults. Some children may have found comfort in familiar foods.

As for "cover ups," if the school made mistakes, then I am sure there is some measure of mistake hiding or spinning. That tends to be the way that companies, which includes schools, react, at least initially. At least we know for sure that the shooter blasted his way through the door rather than the door being unlocked.

As a side note, give the guy a break. Hero or not, the guy is nearly 70 years old, and it seems to me that he acted like a grandfather. Unfortunately, the term "hero" is overused these days. I would not have called Rosen a hero. He just seemed like a guy trying to do the right thing.
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I'm doing him no harm and ironically, I am actually suggesting that the school and local authorities are allowing Gene to suffer instead of answering for themselves, you know? I'm sick of this sort of tsk-tsk-ing that is going on for any doubt, any question, any concern.

According to Gene, the bus driver dropped off the kids AND called dispatch, so out of these three adults no one called for emergency help? or emergency help never came? What happened? In one telling he says the kids tell him right away that a teacher was shot....in another that it took 30 minutes for them to open up. Well 30 minutes is a damn long time in that situation. Also, the children could provide useful information that the police need to know when going into the school (like how many shooters)...so why didn't THAT occur to Gene? Also, I am sorry I question his actions, but I have no doubt that should 6 kids show up on my front porch after having gone through such a trauma, the first thing I'd do is call 9-11...and at least get in touch with them within the first 5 minutes. I wouldn't wait around to get their story and have them open up to me first, I'd get the professionals to help with that.

Also, if you expect parents to show up soon, why feed the kids food? You dont' know if they have allergies, dietary restrictions, etc. How long were the children there? And although they may be thirsty, I still cannot see them wanting to eat after watching their teacher just get shot in the head. So,no I don't buy that kids who are traumatized feel like eating food in a stranger's house. I think they'd want mom and dad and some trusty firemen and police to help. Remember, they do not know this person...kids are scared of strangers (they aren't supposed to talk to them, for instance).

Also, I do NOT know for certain that the shooter blasted his way through the door. After all the other inconsistencies and misreporting, I don't know that. I would very much have liked to have seen pictures soon afterwards, to be honest, or video of the shooter breaking in. We don't have that. They would not be gruesome pictures or anything controversial, so it's weird we do not have them. I'd like to know simple things like what kind of doors we are talking about, for instance. The reason there are so many doubts is because there is so much dishonesty and little "cover ups" and spinning and politics and nonsense.
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Well, I don't buy the Actor stuff, I think this was a horrible tragedy that is unexplained...

BUT, I think that there is a big problem in this school's emergency protocol in that 6 kids somehow ended up outside of the custody of school and/or emergency personnel. It's just insane how everyone just buys the Gene as hero story, overlooking problems.

Gene Rosen says that the kids were there at least 30 minutes before talking about the event (in one of his recollections) and he also gave them juice and fed them.
(by the way - Why would you be feeding traumatized kids? Would kids want to eat right after seeing their teacher and classmates shot in the head?)

So, did he even call for emergency help? Because half an hour is a long time for kids to be unaccounted for. I am not saying this is Gene Rosen's fault, but it IS the schools' responsibility. These were the MOST traumatized children that day, and they may have needed some emergency help. Children should not end up in a stranger's house, for obvious reasons.

So, I don't know what happened, but it calls the school's emergency protocol into question (like how Lanza got into that school or why the video was turned off or why it took so long for police to arrive) and makes one wonder if part of what is "off" is that local authorities may simply be covering up all these little screw ups in safety preparedness, instead of being honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31862440


Regarding six children being outside of school custody:

According to some reports, the children were told to run and/or hide. Teachers were securing children in their classrooms. However, the teacher of these children was dead. The building is set up to permit exits for safety reasons. The children did what they were told and ran, until they came to a door that opened. Good for them!

why would Gene Rosen call for emergency help? I would have done what he or the bus driver did, try to call the parents. The children were not injured, so clearly there was no emergency. Of course, one thing that Rosen may not have considered is that authorities were trying to figure out where all the survivors were.

As for feeding the children and giving them drinks, I suggest you do whatever you can to comfort the children until their parents can be reached. If the children were hungry or thirsty, then you feed them. What's the big deal? Children at the age of 6 or 7 that have experienced trauma react very differently from adults. Some children may have found comfort in familiar foods.

As for "cover ups," if the school made mistakes, then I am sure there is some measure of mistake hiding or spinning. That tends to be the way that companies, which includes schools, react, at least initially. At least we know for sure that the shooter blasted his way through the door rather than the door being unlocked.

As a side note, give the guy a break. Hero or not, the guy is nearly 70 years old, and it seems to me that he acted like a grandfather. Unfortunately, the term "hero" is overused these days. I would not have called Rosen a hero. He just seemed like a guy trying to do the right thing.
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I'm doing him no harm and ironically, I am actually suggesting that the school and local authorities are allowing Gene to suffer instead of answering for themselves, you know? I'm sick of this sort of tsk-tsk-ing that is going on for any doubt, any question, any concern.

According to Gene, the bus driver dropped off the kids AND called dispatch, so out of these three adults no one called for emergency help? or emergency help never came? What happened? In one telling he says the kids tell him right away that a teacher was shot....in another that it took 30 minutes for them to open up. Well 30 minutes is a damn long time in that situation. Also, the children could provide useful information that the police need to know when going into the school (like how many shooters)...so why didn't THAT occur to Gene? Also, I am sorry I question his actions, but I have no doubt that should 6 kids show up on my front porch after having gone through such a trauma, the first thing I'd do is call 9-11...and at least get in touch with them within the first 5 minutes. I wouldn't wait around to get their story and have them open up to me first, I'd get the professionals to help with that.

Also, if you expect parents to show up soon, why feed the kids food? You dont' know if they have allergies, dietary restrictions, etc. How long were the children there? And although they may be thirsty, I still cannot see them wanting to eat after watching their teacher just get shot in the head. So,no I don't buy that kids who are traumatized feel like eating food in a stranger's house. I think they'd want mom and dad and some trusty firemen and police to help. Remember, they do not know this person...kids are scared of strangers (they aren't supposed to talk to them, for instance).

Also, I do NOT know for certain that the shooter blasted his way through the door. After all the other inconsistencies and misreporting, I don't know that. I would very much have liked to have seen pictures soon afterwards, to be honest, or video of the shooter breaking in. We don't have that. They would not be gruesome pictures or anything controversial, so it's weird we do not have them. I'd like to know simple things like what kind of doors we are talking about, for instance. The reason there are so many doubts is because there is so much dishonesty and little "cover ups" and spinning and politics and nonsense.
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For the sake of argument, let's say that all your questions were answer. Just what does that do for you?

Side notes:

Multiple sources reported that the door was locked and that the shooter shot the glass out of the door to be able to enter. Given the apparent consistency of that report, either they are all correct, or they are all wrong. It was school policy to lock the door at 9:30 AM, reported by multiple sources, and apparently that happened.

All the reports I read said that Gene went in to feed his cat, and came back out to find the children (in his driveway?). I did not read any direct reports from Gene saying that the bus driver dropped the kids off, which sounds screwy. If the bus driver had the children on a bus or in a vehicle, and he suspected that the school was unsafe, it would seem logical to take the children to a police station.

In all the versions I read, Gene is quoted saying that the children took some time to open up. However, I could see Gene telling someone that the children told him certain things, and that person embellishing, as people tend to do, what Gene said, which I think is the real problem here.

While many people laud the internet for the speed of information dissemination, in the case of a situation like Sandy Hook, there was a ton of disinformation that appears, to me, to have been made up by the media. Now, the media may call it speculation, but I call it fantasies based on extremely limited information and the media neglected to couch their statement with any sort of provisos. That does not make the source information wrong, only the media's use of that information wrong. Go criticize the media for crappy reporting.

Would kids want to eat after being traumatized and seeing their teacher shot? I have no idea, because that has never happened to me. People behave in funny ways when traumatized, and children are particularly unpredictable. However, I can tell you that one thing that children will absolutely do when in a situation where they are extremely uncomfortable is to seek something familiar. Food and drink certainly would have been points of familiarity.

As for allergies, remember that Gene is 69 years old. He most likely, like me, has little experience with children who have those issues. Food allergies were not such a big deal back in the "good old days."

I am unable to speak as to why Gene did not call the police. He never answered that question and apparently no one ever asked him. One thing to keep in mind is that this took place in Connecticut. People in the rural northeast do not do things the same way that someone in an urban area would do. Just ask them.

I have yet to see anything "covered up" during this incident. The elementary school remains an active crime scene, and the police will not release any details regarding the crime scene until it has been process to the extent they believe necessary, at which point the school will be returned to the control of the city or county. I doubt they will be inviting people to come take pictures.

The only thing I wonder about is why Gene did not take the children to the firehouse, which is on the property next to his, because by 10 AM the firehouse was literally a madhouse. I say property because his house is separated from the firehouse by bushes and trees and while the leaves are mostly gone, trees without leaves can still impede your view of neighboring properties. Other than that, he seems like a nice old guy who tried to help a few kids.
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check out at exactly 5:34, why is his driver's side door covered with what looks like a sheet? Looks to me like somebody busted his window..or maybe a stray bullet?
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and riddle me this: If "Gene Rosen's" story is true..then show me ONE video or article of the six children, the bus driver, or the mysterious man..THANKING mr. Rosen, or acknowledging him, or in ANY way validating his story! Im no math wizard, but thats EIGHT witnesses. How hard could it be to track one or three of them down, especially after all the media attention on Mr. "hero"??
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Re: Gene Rosen ... Grieving Town Grandfather, or Bad 'Crisis Actor'
Excuse me, but a few facts about Gene Rosen seem to have escaped some people:

Fact #1

Sweet little granddaddy Rosen is a retired psychologist, we are told, who worked for years at a mental hospital, before it was closed down - had some kind of shady history, for rumour lovers like myself.

However, a veteran psychologist is not going to get all emotional, and all confused about his story, as many here have tried, sympathetically, but ignorantly, to point out. He is not the man you think he is. His bread and butter have been human trauma.

Fact #2

Mr. Rosen is an individual who loves being in the limelight in this community. He has not only appeared on local cable television, but he has been a volunteer director of the station. I looked up that link before Christmas, and I am not about to go through all the research again. It may not even still be up on the internet.

It has also been discovered that he is a member of the Screen Actors Guild.

Fact #3

Although his website has now been totally changed (I checked yesterday, again to verify what I researched before Christmas), originally both his picture and his bio appeared. The website is "Gene's Petsitting Services". Now the bio is really interesting, because it did not identify him as a retired psychologist, when I looked at it last month. And it did not list a graduate degree, only a BA. Now all that is changed, to make him credible after the media has told us this, and that, and the other.

#4 - This is a recent claim, but a fact - Who Knows?

It has now been reported that Mr. Rosen used to go to Sandy Hook Elementary as a volunteer community reader of children's stories. I read this yesterday somewhere.

wtf

If that were the case, he would know some of the students, I presume.

But why hasn't he ever shared this little tidbit of information? It opens up a whole new can of worms.

Fact #5

We have two dogs and a cat. Do you think I would ever let this man anywhere near them?


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why would Gene Rosen call for emergency help? I would have done what he or the bus driver did, try to call the parents. The children were not injured, so clearly there was no emergency.
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As soon as one of them mentions someone shooting in the school, you'd call 911.

It's an emergency, not time to relax.
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OK, look at this ...

Gene Rosen, interviewed many times over for his story about helping the kids at Sandy Hook.

His home is adjacent to the firehouse, which is very close to the school. On the day of the alleged shooting, there were DOZENS of cars, trucks, vans, and people congregating around the firehouse. In fact, the streets were blocked by all the traffic and commotion there.

So, if you were standing in your front yard, telling a TV reporter what happened that day, you would probably mention something about all the commotion at the firehouse that day, wouldn't you? I think I would.

But, Gene's oft repeated, and changing, story about that day, focuses totally on the kids and the sound of gunshots. Even though his eyes and ears should've taken in the whole scene, his story focuses completely on the kids and the guns.

Why? Well, if this was a false flag event designed to move political opinion on gun control, here in America, then you would get a lot more bang for your buck by talking about the innocent little children. That's what tugs on America's heart strings the most ... especially around Christmas time.

But, why, you might ask, do this? Wasn't the Aurora Shooting (which occured a few days before an important vote on Gun Control, by the way), enough to scare Americans into supporting gun control?

NO, it wasn't. The NRA and econd Amendment supporters won that vote. Aurora failed to achieve the objective.

Why did Aurora fail to achieve the objective? Perhaps it was because the victims were young adults, not children. Nothing tugs at the heart strings of Americans like threats to innocent, young children ... especially around Christmas time. Also, Aurora happened in a slightly lower income neighborhood; and people sometimes brush things off when they happen to different kinds of neighborhoods than their own.

So, perhaps they decided to stage another one. This time in an upscale neighborhood, involving innocent children, around Christmas time. And, this led us to Sandy Hook.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Just to be clear, I am not yet 100% sold on the fact that Sandy Hook was a staged, false flag event. And, if there are any real victims, I would be heartbroken. I am a Dad, myself, of 4 youngsters, and when I first saw the stories about Sandy Hook, my stomach turned. Nonetheless, having now done some research and examined some of the points made by 'Sandy Hook truthers', I have become very very suspicious about the veracity of the incident.
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I honestly hope you people get caught for harrasing this man. What a bunch of sick SOB's you people are for attacking this man after he took care of those kids. What family life do you people have if this is how you treat people who did something good in the world.
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If I were a parent of one of these 5 oh, or what it 6, o gee, he forgot......children, I would have been out of my mind if I were looking for my child after the event, so much that I probably would have strangled him had he done this. Imagine those children's parents frantically, in horror, searching for their children,....maybe at the fire station, where they should have been??????,...... while this old geezer next door "entertained" these kids....for hours.... or minutes...or whatever length of time. They should have been at the fire station. Not credible.
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In reply to AC 5694974 (see above),

Hello, First, having thought it over,I do concede that maybe it was good to feed the kids (if they were able to eat). Getting them some juice was a good idea, of course.

I have watched most (if not all) of Gene's interviews with media --so my own sense of his story and what transpired is gained primarily through his own words. I do not watch any mainstream television that is rehashing his words. In one version of his story, he does take children to the firehouse, for instance. In others, parents come to him. You can watch his various interviews to get a sense of what I am saying. It just all seems rather inexplicable to me, unless, for some reason, Gene wasn't even sure whether he could trust the "good guys." Maybe there was something very confusing and unreal unfolding that he could not put his finger on, and that has not been explained.

I think this women is a neighbor of his:
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I don't think Mr. Rosen experienced enough personal trauma to explain why his story is all over the place. I do have a disturbing feeling that someone might be coercing him (and perhaps others) what to say, how to say it, and what NOT to say -- if you understand what I mean? I am growing extremely cynical. Perhaps, his story is being guided or scripted out by others -- strange circumstances and people more powerful than him. So, Gene Rosen is sort of caught in a most difficult and tragic situation -- he is both a grieving town grandfather AND a reluctant crisis actor because of forces beyond himself - a complicated web that is being spun. So sad.
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This "crisis actor" business is bullshit.

Go to the visionbox site and look around. They only started training actors for this in September and they only meet ONCE A WEEK!

This appears to be some two-bit semi-pro outfit; maybe a notch above community theater at best.

Do you really think Denver is where anyone would go to find a lot of good actors?

Do you think that a massive, nefarious and long term project like what is alleged in Connecticut would be actually be publicly advertising for actors and acting students? That everyone they recruit for something like that would say yes and/or keep their mouths shut?
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"Do you really think Denver is where anyone would go to find a lot of good actors?"

They don't really need to be "good." The public's easily fooled.
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if they were good.. i doubt they would be doing CRISIS events
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Gene Rosen is not only giddy but gay in character.
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I watched one video with him in his living room and he was showing all the toys the kids were playing with. strange a old man like that had kiddie toys available that fast.

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Gene Rosen is a member of the Screen Actors Guild.
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Gene Rosen is not only giddy but gay in character.
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I watched one video with him in his living room and he was showing all the toys the kids were playing with. strange a old man like that had kiddie toys available that fast.

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Well, he does have grandkids...so that explains the toys. Grandparents often keep toys for when their grandkids come and they babysit.
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Gene Rosen is not only giddy but gay in character.
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I watched one video with him in his living room and he was showing all the toys the kids were playing with. strange a old man like that had kiddie toys available that fast.

.
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Well, he does have grandkids...so that explains the toys. Grandparents often keep toys for when their grandkids come and they babysit.
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He also said in one interview that the toys were there for his grandchildren.
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Gene Rosen is a member of the Screen Actors Guild.
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Would you care to cite an actual source for your alleged "fact"?
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I notice no one has commented on my Fact Sheet above. Just too heavy, huh?
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Gene Rosen is not only giddy but gay in character.
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I watched one video with him in his living room and he was showing all the toys the kids were playing with. strange a old man like that had kiddie toys available that fast.

.
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Well, he does have grandkids...so that explains the toys. Grandparents often keep toys for when their grandkids come and they babysit.
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He also said in one interview that the toys were there for his grandchildren.
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Yeah but what's odd with this is that Eugene said in an interview that he had a grandchild that was "2", and in another interview he said his grandchild was "8"!?

I don't remember which interviews, if someone could confirm, appreciate it.
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...

I watched one video with him in his living room and he was showing all the toys the kids were playing with. strange a old man like that had kiddie toys available that fast.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32416116


Well, he does have grandkids...so that explains the toys. Grandparents often keep toys for when their grandkids come and they babysit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31862440


He also said in one interview that the toys were there for his grandchildren.
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Yeah but what's odd with this is that Eugene said in an interview that he had a grandchild that was "2", and in another interview he said his grandchild was "8"!?

I don't remember which interviews, if someone could confirm, appreciate it.
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I do not know the relevance, but it has been widely reported that Mr. Rosen has two grandchildren. I wonder if one might be 2, and the other 8?
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Excuse me, but a few facts about Gene Rosen seem to have escaped some people:

Fact #1

Sweet little granddaddy Rosen is a retired psychologist, we are told, who worked for years at a mental hospital, before it was closed down - had some kind of shady history, for rumour lovers like myself.

However, a veteran psychologist is not going to get all emotional, and all confused about his story, as many here have tried, sympathetically, but ignorantly, to point out. He is not the man you think he is. His bread and butter have been human trauma.

Fact #2

Mr. Rosen is an individual who loves being in the limelight in this community. He has not only appeared on local cable television, but he has been a volunteer director of the station. I looked up that link before Christmas, and I am not about to go through all the research again. It may not even still be up on the internet.

It has also been discovered that he is a member of the Screen Actors Guild.

Fact #3

Although his website has now been totally changed (I checked yesterday, again to verify what I researched before Christmas), originally both his picture and his bio appeared. The website is "Gene's Petsitting Services". Now the bio is really interesting, because it did not identify him as a retired psychologist, when I looked at it last month. And it did not list a graduate degree, only a BA. Now all that is changed, to make him credible after the media has told us this, and that, and the other.

#4 - This is a recent claim, but a fact - Who Knows?

It has now been reported that Mr. Rosen used to go to Sandy Hook Elementary as a volunteer community reader of children's stories. I read this yesterday somewhere.

wtf

If that were the case, he would know some of the students, I presume.

But why hasn't he ever shared this little tidbit of information? It opens up a whole new can of worms.

Fact #5

We have two dogs and a cat. Do you think I would ever let this man anywhere near them?


:Man & Dog:
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Well, since you really want a response, here it is:

Re "Fact #1":

You think a veteran psychologist will not get emotional? How is that a fact? Answer: It's not. First, it depends on what kind of psychologist he was. Most psychologists deal with trauma in a very sterile, clinical way. It is one thing to hear someone relate a possibly traumatic story that happened to them at some point in the past, another to be a part of a trauma, albeit peripherally.

I will relay my own personal experiences. I once considered myself an "iron man." I rarely got emotional, and I never cried. Now, for reasons I am not sure, I get watery eyes at some of the silliest dang things. People change as they age. I suspect, but would never state as a "fact," that Rosen being a grandfather and having small grandchildren influenced his reactions to this situation.

Re "Fact #2::

You said "Mr. Rosen is an individual who loves being in the limelight in this community." Says who? I know, says you. That does not make this statement a fact.

I would like to see a reference for his appearance on local cable television. Even if it happened, so what? I have been interviewed for the news and have appeared in promotional videos and at least one corporate brochure. Yet, I consider myself quite shy. Never mind consider, all those fun little tests we take rate me as extremely introverted. No limelight seeker me, yet I've been interviewed for the new and appear in corporate advertising literature. Go figure.

You said "It has also been discovered that he is a member of the Screen Actors Guild." I absolutely have to see evidence of his membership in SAG. Thus far, the only places this "fact" seems to appear is on conspiracy sites.

Re "Fact #3":

I can't even find his web site. I tried the phrase you used, and the web site is not showing up, which is weird because Google usually keeps search links for at least days if not weeks after they are taken down. No links seem to be appearing.

In addition, I am not 100% sure just what "Fact #3" is supposed to be. You sort of ramble on about how his website has changed. Maybe that is a fact, which I could believe. His website changed. Oh, my. Alert the media.

Then you say his bio on his website did not identify him as a retired psychologist. Gee, he's running a pet sitting service, and he neglects to point out he was a psychologist. Could it be that he didn't think that being a psychologist was relevant to pet sitting? I could point out a bunch of stuff that is not in my current resume, BECAUSE IT IS NOT RELEVANT. Make a conspiracy of that.

Re "non-fact" or item "#4":

You said that "It has now been reported that Mr. Rosen used to go to Sandy Hook Elementary as a volunteer community reader of children's stories." Then you said "I read this yesterday somewhere." Wow. I find that extremely credible. I read that Elvis was still alive, some where. I read that some woman had really vivid recollections of being kidnapped by aliens, some where.

I used to read the "Weekly World News," which had fascinating stories about aliens impregnating women here and there, and bigfoot knocking at some guy's door. While the "Weekly World News" could count as "somewhere," it is hardly a credible source of facts.

Pardon me if your unsupported "facts" do little to sway my opinions, but, they don't.

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Mr. Rosen is clearly insane and a pathological liar. He's as phony as 'Robbie Parker' and the 'medical examiner'/town drunk who conned his way to the podium during a press conference.
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Has anyone run across any police band recordings where dispatch alerts any available officers to check out Rosen's claim?

If he did call 911, its possible to time stamp a part of his story. otherwise, who DID he call?

How could a mom show up at his door because she "heard" or had been alerted to the fact that 6 kids were at his house?

For that matter, why was it just one mother and not EVERY single parent waiting around rushed over to his house once it broke that 6 kids where at some old guys house who happens to have his own pet grooming company?

And how come he hasn't managed to recall even ONE childs first and last names when hes doing interviews?

It would seem to me that he'd have had enough interaction with the parents of the children treating him like the faux "hero" that he wants to be, to know at least ONE freaking name, first and last.

just another quirk that doesn't add up with this guy.
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Gene is an American hero that sheltered young children moments after their teacher and classmates were slaughtered right in front of them. He didn't ask to be put in that situation. This wasn't some grand plan of his to get his face on the camera. He stepped up and did what had to be done mere minutes after one of American's greatest tragedies. It saddens me that this kind of slander can exist in our world today. "Truthers" will rant and rave about everything, from JFK to 9/11, OKC bombing to Aurora and Newtown. Those that allow themselves to fall into their little scheme should be ashamed of themselves. You have every right to question things that occur in our society and within our government. You don't have the right to pick apart a good samaritan that did the best that he could under horrific circumstances. If you walked out of your house and saw the scene that he did, what would you have done better? The parents of those kids he sheltered certainly didn't have any issues with what he did. Why should you?

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