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or...better yet, does Creation explain the reason for life's "diversity"?


"How many your works are, O Jehovah!
All of them in wisdom you have made.
The earth is full of your productions.
AS for this sea so great and wide,
There there are living things without number
Living creatures, small as well as great"- Psalms 104:24, 25


 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Out of curiosity why do faith and evolution have to be mutually exclusive? Can not the creator's hand be seen in the removal of traits that he in his infinite wisdom saw that his creations no longer needed to survive? Can evolution not support faith? Or all religions so insecure in their deities that there is no room for science?

Believe blindly give up your technology and spend your days praising me to the exclusion of all else!!! Not a lifestyle that I think anyone would be comfortable with.

If you can give me one reason that evolution, the big bang, or any other scientific FACTcannot coexist with faith then I will convert to the religion of your choice. Science is not about disproving god, it is about explaining the world around us.

As an agnostic I firmly believe in the possibility of a higher power, but there is a difference between BELIEVING something and KNOWINGsomething. To know something you have to be able to quantify it, and religion cannot be quantified. From my interactions with most people of faith there is no room in their ideologies for facts, or common sense.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Commendations, a most challenging reply, yet easy as unlacing knots in a shoe string to unravel it's relevant truths/delusions, this could be a fun one.
1. The creator did not 'remove traits' in his creatures, he did not go about rewriting/deleting DNA assembly codes for eliminating organs/extremities. He designed each species perfect from the start or they would have immediately died off, not lasting long enough to reproduce even once. This isn't 'faith', it's simple science.

2.QUOTE; "Believe blindly give up your technology and spend your days praising me to the exclusion of all else!!!"
This is an excellent description of religion, but what does religion have in common with God, what use does God have for religion? The difference between religion, and science is, religionists presume to proclaim them selves saved, science, usually proclaims there's no such hope.

3. The theory of NON-intelligent, random chance, design cannot coexist with scientific observation of the infinite complexity of cellular structure/operation/replication.

Your concept of 'faith' really needs to be upgraded, faith does not refer to intelligent design, that's science, faith is in Jehovah's defeat Satan's reign of terror, and his global military industrial complex and his nuclear arsenal, at Armageddon. Jehovah will let Satan exterminate all who 'worship' him, but not those standing with Jehovah, or his ecosystem.
"And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
.... for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short." Mt24:3

Becoming accepted as a 'chosen one' is a matter of divine invitation, walking in his direction..... check your shoe strings, they're really knotted up.
hf


 Quoting: DGN


A few counterpoints to your points.

1. The creator did not 'remove traits' in his creatures, he did not go about rewriting/deleting DNA assembly codes for eliminating organs/extremities. He designed each species perfect from the start or they would have immediately died off, not lasting long enough to reproduce even once. This isn't 'faith', it's simple science.
Here's 10 of them that while they aren't gone yet, are just vestigial remnants of days gone by, except for #1 which kinda proves design isn't so intelligent.

No. 1 - Male Nipples
Because, why?

No. 2 - Appendix
Darwin claimed the appendix was useful for digestion during our early plant-eating years; it's dwindled down to little since we started eating more digestible foods.

No. 3 - Wisdom Teeth
Back in the day, when we ate mammoth meat off the bone and didn't floss afterward, our teeth tended to fall out. Therefore, when those reserve molars, aka "wisdom teeth," came in they were welcomed. Nowadays, fluoride and dental plans have just made them a huge pain.

No. 4 - Erector Pili
When we were hairier, the erector pili made the hairs stand on end when we needed to appear bigger and scarier. Now, it just gives us goose bumps.

No. 5 - Coccyx
More useful as a game-winning Scrabble word than part of the anatomy, the coccyx, or tailbone, is several fused vertebrae left over from the olden days when we had tails.

No. 6 - Tonsils
Also prone to swelling and infection. If you have them by your 30s, it's almost an accomplishment.

No. 7 - Adenoids
Adenoids trap bacteria, but they're also prone to swelling and infection. Just ask any 7-year-old. Luckily, our adenoids shrink with age and are often removed, along with …

No. 8 - Sinuses
Doctors don't really know much about sinuses, only that we have a lot of them. Possibilities for their function range from insulating our eyes to changing the pitch and tone of our voice.

No. 9 - Body Hair
No doubt we were once hairier. Up until about 3 million years ago, we were covered with it. But by the time Homo erectus arrived, the ability to sweat meant we could shed our wooly ways.

No. 10 - Plica semilunaris (third eyelid)
You may not know it, but you have a third eyelid. Pull open the two more noticeable eyelids and take a look - it's located right in the corner by the tear duct. The third eyelid is left over from what's known as a "nictitating membrane," which is still present in animals like chickens, lizards and sharks.

on to number 2.

2. QUOTE; "Believe blindly give up your technology and spend your days praising me to the exclusion of all else!!!"
This is an excellent description of religion, but what does religion have in common with God, what use does God have for religion? The difference between religion, and science is, religionists presume to proclaim them selves saved, science, usually proclaims there's no such hope.

Well you can't have day without night, you can't have fire without heat, and you can't have god without religion. God is religion. If there were no religion god would not exist, and the only thing that separates religion from myth is about 2,000 years. Science dose not try to disprove god, it works to better understand the universe. Science gives us hope for a better tomorrow.

3. The theory of NON-intelligent, random chance, design cannot coexist with scientific observation of the infinite complexity of cellular structure/operation/replication.

This one is just plain silly. The infinite monkey theorem can prove this with math. here's the link as I'm not a math teacher [link to en.wikipedia.org] What you have is complexity and beauty created from random action.

As for my concept of faith, I'm pretty sure that the bible is where intelligent design came from, after all in the beginning and what not...

And as far as shoestrings go, I prefer sandals!
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


So did Jesus, he wasted no time on dead end rhetoric to appear knowledgeable, because he really was and will personally terminate satan's reign of terror interception and preventing man made nuclear winter.
"When he saw the crowds he went up into the mountain; and after he sat down his disciples came to him; 2 and he opened his mouth and began teaching them, saying:
3 “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
4 “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.
5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled.
7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy.
8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.
9 “Happy are the peaceable, since they will be called ‘sons of God.’
10 “Happy are those who have been persecuted for righteousness’ sake, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
11 “Happy are YOU when people reproach YOU and persecute YOU and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against YOU for my sake. 12 Rejoice and leap for joy, since YOUR reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to YOU.
13 “YOU are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its strength, how will its saltness be restored? It is no longer usable for anything but to be thrown outside to be trampled on by men.
14 “YOU are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when situated upon a mountain. 15 People light a lamp and set it, not under the measuring basket, but upon the lampstand, and it shines upon all those in the house. 16 Likewise let YOUR light shine before men, that they may see YOUR fine works and give glory to YOUR Father who is in the heavens." Mt5:1

The alternative?

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Darwin was probably more moral and humane the the Disney corp. Peddling their child slave made plastic wares for other children to believe in lies and choke the ocean.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31168268


and evolution doesn't teach children { and adults} to believe in lies????


at least Disney appeals to our child like imaginations-not claiming anything else but Fantasy-
evolution claims to be "scientific"....and remains only a theory



 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


so when was the last time you heard a snake talk?
see a fully formed woman materialize from a man's rib?
experience a life of pain and hardship from eating an apple?

are these the facts you expect to be taught exclusively to kids?

please spare me the analogy argument, you attack evolution as fantasy, fine, show me hard evidence of the genesis reality,not the inane ramblings of kent hovind from his prison cell, or the first chapter of a book.
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Darwin was reality, Disney was fantasy. Even a Moran could figure that one out. Also, yes, Darwin was a genius as most reasonably intelligent people could tell you, though many people are not really very intelligent at all, are they?

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Darwin was probably more moral and humane the the Disney corp. Peddling their child slave made plastic wares for other children to believe in lies and choke the ocean.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31168268


and evolution doesn't teach children { and adults} to believe in lies????


at least Disney appeals to our child like imaginations-not claiming anything else but Fantasy-
evolution claims to be "scientific"....and remains only a theory



 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


so when was the last time you heard a snake talk?
see a fully formed woman materialize from a man's rib?
experience a life of pain and hardship from eating an apple?

are these the facts you expect to be taught exclusively to kids?

please spare me the analogy argument, you attack evolution as fantasy, fine, show me hard evidence of the genesis reality,not the inane ramblings of kent hovind from his prison cell, or the first chapter of a book.
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Show me one single half and half 'evolving' fossil ias evidence of your fantasy land theory.
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Darwin was probably more moral and humane the the Disney corp. Peddling their child slave made plastic wares for other children to believe in lies and choke the ocean.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31168268


and evolution doesn't teach children { and adults} to believe in lies????


at least Disney appeals to our child like imaginations-not claiming anything else but Fantasy-
evolution claims to be "scientific"....and remains only a theory



 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


so when was the last time you heard a snake talk?
see a fully formed woman materialize from a man's rib?
experience a life of pain and hardship from eating an apple?

are these the facts you expect to be taught exclusively to kids?

please spare me the analogy argument, you attack evolution as fantasy, fine, show me hard evidence of the genesis reality,not the inane ramblings of kent hovind from his prison cell, or the first chapter of a book.
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Show me one single half and half 'evolving' fossil ias evidence of your fantasy land theory.
stoner
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i asked you first!
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Darwin was probably more moral and humane the the Disney corp. Peddling their child slave made plastic wares for other children to believe in lies and choke the ocean.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31168268


and evolution doesn't teach children { and adults} to believe in lies????


at least Disney appeals to our child like imaginations-not claiming anything else but Fantasy-
evolution claims to be "scientific"....and remains only a theory



 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


so when was the last time you heard a snake talk?
see a fully formed woman materialize from a man's rib?
experience a life of pain and hardship from eating an apple?

are these the facts you expect to be taught exclusively to kids?

please spare me the analogy argument, you attack evolution as fantasy, fine, show me hard evidence of the genesis reality,not the inane ramblings of kent hovind from his prison cell, or the first chapter of a book.
 Quoting: david 16910407


Show me one single half and half 'evolving' fossil ias evidence of your fantasy land theory.
stoner
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[link to www.dreamwaytrading.com] The evolution of the HUMANskull.

Now about those talking snakes and rib women. A link with pictures or video(especially one of the talking snake would be great.)
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."
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Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."
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only difference is , darwin did not find it necessary to threaten people with eternal torture for not believing his story.
come to think of it, neither did disney.
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Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."
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I love how christians LOVE to forget about genesis chapter 2 where the creation story there contradicts the one from chapter 1.

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33163000


I love how christians LOVE to forget about genesis chapter 2 where the creation story there contradicts the one from chapter 1.

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Really? So what does this magnificent scientific ephiny leave you holding the bag with when the great tribulation implodes on this world, a scapegoat philosophy of 'innocence by ignorance"? Where ya gonna cash those chips in at? Darwin's grave?
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Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33163000


I love how christians LOVE to forget about genesis chapter 2 where the creation story there contradicts the one from chapter 1.

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Really? So what does this magnificent scientific ephiny leave you holding the bag with when the great tribulation implodes on this world, a scapegoat philosophy of 'innocence by ignorance"? Where ya gonna cash those chips in at? Darwin's grave?
bricks
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I actually laughed when I read your post. What chips pray tell am I supposed to be "cashing in"? You folk blindly believe what a heavily edited 2000 year old text that plagiarized much older religions, and is so self contradictory that anyone who actually read it and had the mental retention of a monkey with downs syndrome would have to wonder how a religion formed around it.

Granted if you are right and god is truly the asshole you people claim he is then I will burn in hell eternally, but I prefer to think that if there is a god, and I'm willing to admit that there might be, then it is a compassionate and rational being who expects me to live a good life and treat others the way I would want to be treated. Not go around telling others that their immortal souls will suffer an eternity of torment because they never heard of him, or didn't accept his superbaby that was a result of celestial RAPE (and since Mary was 14 and didn't consent it is beyond the shadow of a doubt rape) as their personal lord and savior.

I applaud the fact that you are in fact worried about my immortal soul. What I do not condone is the fact that you people cannot accept that other people have very different views about their spirituality. When you guys ask WWJD you really need to realize that he would make an offer, if the offer was refused he wouldn't go on a crusade or an inquisition, he would leave them the hell alone because he realized that their beliefs are every bit as valid as the ones he holds.
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33163000


I love how christians LOVE to forget about genesis chapter 2 where the creation story there contradicts the one from chapter 1.

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Really? So what does this magnificent scientific ephiny leave you holding the bag with when the great tribulation implodes on this world, a scapegoat philosophy of 'innocence by ignorance"? Where ya gonna cash those chips in at? Darwin's grave?
bricks
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I actually laughed when I read your post. What chips pray tell am I supposed to be "cashing in"? You folk blindly believe what a heavily edited 2000 year old text that plagiarized much older religions, and is so self contradictory that anyone who actually read it and had the mental retention of a monkey with downs syndrome would have to wonder how a religion formed around it.

Granted if you are right and god is truly the asshole you people claim he is then I will burn in hell eternally, but I prefer to think that if there is a god, and I'm willing to admit that there might be, then it is a compassionate and rational being who expects me to live a good life and treat others the way I would want to be treated. Not go around telling others that their immortal souls will suffer an eternity of torment because they never heard of him, or didn't accept his superbaby that was a result of celestial RAPE (and since Mary was 14 and didn't consent it is beyond the shadow of a doubt rape) as their personal lord and savior.

I applaud the fact that you are in fact worried about my immortal soul. What I do not condone is the fact that you people cannot accept that other people have very different views about their spirituality. When you guys ask WWJD you really need to realize that he would make an offer, if the offer was refused he wouldn't go on a crusade or an inquisition, he would leave them the hell alone because he realized that their beliefs are every bit as valid as the ones he holds.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Setting your 'religious/philosophical' mortal impailment aside for a moment, consider that I might be offering you some 'accurate knowledge' with which you can transform your frustrated molten metal slag into a real life forged sword of dragon slaying truth.
We don't have to contend againt each other... we can bond together in conquest of mankind's common enemy;
" Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit. And to that end keep awake with all constancy and with supplication in behalf of all the holy ones" Eph6:1
Luke..... use the force......yoda
No?

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I love how christians LOVE to forget about genesis chapter 2 where the creation story there contradicts the one from chapter 1.

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Really? So what does this magnificent scientific ephiny leave you holding the bag with when the great tribulation implodes on this world, a scapegoat philosophy of 'innocence by ignorance"? Where ya gonna cash those chips in at? Darwin's grave?
bricks
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I actually laughed when I read your post. What chips pray tell am I supposed to be "cashing in"? You folk blindly believe what a heavily edited 2000 year old text that plagiarized much older religions, and is so self contradictory that anyone who actually read it and had the mental retention of a monkey with downs syndrome would have to wonder how a religion formed around it.

Granted if you are right and god is truly the asshole you people claim he is then I will burn in hell eternally, but I prefer to think that if there is a god, and I'm willing to admit that there might be, then it is a compassionate and rational being who expects me to live a good life and treat others the way I would want to be treated. Not go around telling others that their immortal souls will suffer an eternity of torment because they never heard of him, or didn't accept his superbaby that was a result of celestial RAPE (and since Mary was 14 and didn't consent it is beyond the shadow of a doubt rape) as their personal lord and savior.

I applaud the fact that you are in fact worried about my immortal soul. What I do not condone is the fact that you people cannot accept that other people have very different views about their spirituality. When you guys ask WWJD you really need to realize that he would make an offer, if the offer was refused he wouldn't go on a crusade or an inquisition, he would leave them the hell alone because he realized that their beliefs are every bit as valid as the ones he holds.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Setting your 'religious/philosophical' mortal impailment aside for a moment, consider that I might be offering you some 'accurate knowledge' with which you can transform your frustrated molten metal slag into a real life forged sword of dragon slaying truth.
We don't have to contend againt each other... we can bond together in conquest of mankind's common enemy;
" Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit. And to that end keep awake with all constancy and with supplication in behalf of all the holy ones" Eph6:1
Luke..... use the force......yoda
No?
 Quoting: DGN


But therein lies the barb. For knowledge to be accurate it has to be verifiable. How dose one verify what you have stated? I myself stand firm against wickedness, my shield is my education, and my armor is my morals. No need for mystical good and evil there are plenty enough quantifiable sources of good and evil in this world, I don't feel the need to make up more of them.

When a person does good and you claim that a higher power is the source of that altruistic act then you demean that person by saying that their goodness came from someone else. Just like when a person does an evil deed you make them less liable for their actions by saying that the devil made them do it.

This all seems rather silly to me, and if there is a higher power out there I'm pretty sure it will judge you by your actions, not your words. It's easy to do wrong, blame the devil, then ask for forgiveness. It's much harder to resist temptation, act like you are somebody and not need forgiveness.

Now there are time that we all slip and give into those temptations, but a rational being (or at least in my opinion) would weigh the good vs the bad, not some promise made to a man who live 2000 years ago, as whether or not you have a good afterlife, or a bad one.

Food for thought no?
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Really? So what does this magnificent scientific ephiny leave you holding the bag with when the great tribulation implodes on this world, a scapegoat philosophy of 'innocence by ignorance"? Where ya gonna cash those chips in at? Darwin's grave?
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I actually laughed when I read your post. What chips pray tell am I supposed to be "cashing in"? You folk blindly believe what a heavily edited 2000 year old text that plagiarized much older religions, and is so self contradictory that anyone who actually read it and had the mental retention of a monkey with downs syndrome would have to wonder how a religion formed around it.

Granted if you are right and god is truly the asshole you people claim he is then I will burn in hell eternally, but I prefer to think that if there is a god, and I'm willing to admit that there might be, then it is a compassionate and rational being who expects me to live a good life and treat others the way I would want to be treated. Not go around telling others that their immortal souls will suffer an eternity of torment because they never heard of him, or didn't accept his superbaby that was a result of celestial RAPE (and since Mary was 14 and didn't consent it is beyond the shadow of a doubt rape) as their personal lord and savior.

I applaud the fact that you are in fact worried about my immortal soul. What I do not condone is the fact that you people cannot accept that other people have very different views about their spirituality. When you guys ask WWJD you really need to realize that he would make an offer, if the offer was refused he wouldn't go on a crusade or an inquisition, he would leave them the hell alone because he realized that their beliefs are every bit as valid as the ones he holds.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Setting your 'religious/philosophical' mortal impailment aside for a moment, consider that I might be offering you some 'accurate knowledge' with which you can transform your frustrated molten metal slag into a real life forged sword of dragon slaying truth.
We don't have to contend againt each other... we can bond together in conquest of mankind's common enemy;
" Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit. And to that end keep awake with all constancy and with supplication in behalf of all the holy ones" Eph6:1
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But therein lies the barb. For knowledge to be accurate it has to be verifiable. How dose one verify what you have stated? I myself stand firm against wickedness, my shield is my education, and my armor is my morals. No need for mystical good and evil there are plenty enough quantifiable sources of good and evil in this world, I don't feel the need to make up more of them.

When a person does good and you claim that a higher power is the source of that altruistic act then you demean that person by saying that their goodness came from someone else. Just like when a person does an evil deed you make them less liable for their actions by saying that the devil made them do it.

This all seems rather silly to me, and if there is a higher power out there I'm pretty sure it will judge you by your actions, not your words. It's easy to do wrong, blame the devil, then ask for forgiveness. It's much harder to resist temptation, act like you are somebody and not need forgiveness.

Now there are time that we all slip and give into those temptations, but a rational being (or at least in my opinion) would weigh the good vs the bad, not some promise made to a man who live 2000 years ago, as whether or not you have a good afterlife, or a bad one.

Food for thought no?
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Excellent reply, very responsible and objective, and no cop outs, commendations. What are you citing about a promise of an afterlife? Jesus revealed God's solution to man inheriting sin and death (Ro5:12) as being the second chance resurrection during his 1,000 year reign.
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While I believe something rather different from Darwin, lets not give Walt too much credit for imagination.


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I actually laughed when I read your post. What chips pray tell am I supposed to be "cashing in"? You folk blindly believe what a heavily edited 2000 year old text that plagiarized much older religions, and is so self contradictory that anyone who actually read it and had the mental retention of a monkey with downs syndrome would have to wonder how a religion formed around it.

Granted if you are right and god is truly the asshole you people claim he is then I will burn in hell eternally, but I prefer to think that if there is a god, and I'm willing to admit that there might be, then it is a compassionate and rational being who expects me to live a good life and treat others the way I would want to be treated. Not go around telling others that their immortal souls will suffer an eternity of torment because they never heard of him, or didn't accept his superbaby that was a result of celestial RAPE (and since Mary was 14 and didn't consent it is beyond the shadow of a doubt rape) as their personal lord and savior.

I applaud the fact that you are in fact worried about my immortal soul. What I do not condone is the fact that you people cannot accept that other people have very different views about their spirituality. When you guys ask WWJD you really need to realize that he would make an offer, if the offer was refused he wouldn't go on a crusade or an inquisition, he would leave them the hell alone because he realized that their beliefs are every bit as valid as the ones he holds.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Setting your 'religious/philosophical' mortal impailment aside for a moment, consider that I might be offering you some 'accurate knowledge' with which you can transform your frustrated molten metal slag into a real life forged sword of dragon slaying truth.
We don't have to contend againt each other... we can bond together in conquest of mankind's common enemy;
" Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit. And to that end keep awake with all constancy and with supplication in behalf of all the holy ones" Eph6:1
Luke..... use the force......yoda
No?
 Quoting: DGN


But therein lies the barb. For knowledge to be accurate it has to be verifiable. How dose one verify what you have stated? I myself stand firm against wickedness, my shield is my education, and my armor is my morals. No need for mystical good and evil there are plenty enough quantifiable sources of good and evil in this world, I don't feel the need to make up more of them.

When a person does good and you claim that a higher power is the source of that altruistic act then you demean that person by saying that their goodness came from someone else. Just like when a person does an evil deed you make them less liable for their actions by saying that the devil made them do it.

This all seems rather silly to me, and if there is a higher power out there I'm pretty sure it will judge you by your actions, not your words. It's easy to do wrong, blame the devil, then ask for forgiveness. It's much harder to resist temptation, act like you are somebody and not need forgiveness.

Now there are time that we all slip and give into those temptations, but a rational being (or at least in my opinion) would weigh the good vs the bad, not some promise made to a man who live 2000 years ago, as whether or not you have a good afterlife, or a bad one.

Food for thought no?
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Excellent reply, very responsible and objective, and no cop outs, commendations. What are you citing about a promise of an afterlife? Jesus revealed God's solution to man inheriting sin and death (Ro5:12) as being the second chance resurrection during his 1,000 year reign.
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To be honest I have no more to cite for an afterlife than anyone else. Just like everything else in this life there are NO guarantees. I just prefer to think that if there happens to be something after my days on this planet are over then my actions while I was here will dictate how that something will be for me. Much like the Buddhist, just without the whole reincarnation bit. Karma, Kismet whatever you want to call it. Now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good lessons to learn from the judeo-christian holy texts. One of my favorite rules, if not my only rule is a bastardized version of the 10 commandments as told by George Carlin. I'll add the video link if I can find it, it's rather sacrilegious... but if you have a fairly thick skin, and a good sense of humor you may like it, but it all boils down to "Be nice!"

Isn't that basically why Jesus got nailed to a tree? Just for telling folk to be nice to one another. That is if you leave out the fact that he was a descendant of David, and Pilate just couldn't have a Jewish King running around on the loose.


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The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.
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The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.
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I have no problem with others having spirituality, but like you stated when they choose to ignore fact in the face of all evidence to the contrary, and lead my brothers and sisters down the path back to the dark ages, then I take issue with them.

A prime example is Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

To me this shows a primary flaw in most religions. A well informed, and well educated flock will not blindly follow their shepherd. They will ask difficult questions that the shepherd will not be able to answer. Or even worse they will learn something that proves their holy texts to be invalid and kill off the religion.

When you consider that most wars up until the American revolution were fought over my god is better than your god, and the conflict in the Middle East is still about whose way of worshiping Allah is better, a complete lack of religion may not be a bad thing.
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The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.
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.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.
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The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.
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.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.
hf
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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
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The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.
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.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.
hf
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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
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The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.
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.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.
hf
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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Here's what God means;
"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 6 For from these arise those men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, 7 always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth." 2Ti3:1
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The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.
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.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.
hf
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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
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I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.
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.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.
hf
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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.
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that is an imaginations almost as good as Disney's... {but not quite!5a
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.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.
hf
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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


An excellent reply, reminding me of another illustration Jesus shared;
"Another illustration he set before them, saying: “The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. 26 When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. 27 So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ They said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No; that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, YOU uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.’” Mt13:24
You're getting better as you go here Agnostic.

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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


that is an imaginations almost as good as Disney's... {but not quite!5a
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good verses evil a common denominator between Darwin and Disney



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Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:
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"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


An excellent reply, reminding me of another illustration Jesus shared;
"Another illustration he set before them, saying: “The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. 26 When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. 27 So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ They said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No; that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, YOU uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.’” Mt13:24
You're getting better as you go here Agnostic.
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DGN, I must say you are proving a worthy adversary in this debate. I can honestly say that I don't understand the neg karma you have. Your replies are intelligent and well written. You back your beliefs with scriptures, and do not dismiss the opposing view out of hand. I applaud you sir or madam whichever the case may be!

Now being from Alabama I know a thing or two about wheat and weeds. The more weeds in your fields the less wheat you will harvest. Jesus was a well known fisher of men, Mathew 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. Now any good fisherman or farmer is going to want to maximize their harvest. If the field was sown with weeds any farmer worth his salt would have weeded the field as soon as it was safe for his crop. No rational being would want a bad harvest.

Seeing as God's harvest is the souls of men I would think he would have his slaves, I'm sorry I mean followers out tending the fields. And when the farmhands cannot get the job done alone does not the farmer himself work the fields? I can see no evidence that God is doing so, and an untended field will always go to weed.

Honestly I think Al Pacino said it best in his role as John Milton in The Devils Advocate: "Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, ******' *** off! He's a tight-***! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!"

The truth of the matter is this. If you want ditch dug the right way, grab a shovel.
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Re: Hey lets play Darwin versus Disney! Who's imagination was better?
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"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


that is an imaginations almost as good as Disney's... {but not quite!5a
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good verses evil a common denominator between Darwin and Disney



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This comment is wrong on so many levels... wtf

Where in the origin of the species is the good or evil?

And how does Prince Charming vs Maleficent enter into the equation?

You are making yourself, and your religion look bad. If you want to get your point across try using logic, maybe some scripture that backs said logic, and if you can find some scientific fact that backs your scriptures I'll give you bonus points.

If you want an example on how to get your point across read back over DGN's responses. They are counterpoints to my points, not random animated figures created by a Nazi sympathizer.
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"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19
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I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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From Wikipedia:
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Darwin continued to avoid public controversy and to accumulate evidence supporting his theory against the anticipated arguments. In 1858 the information that Alfred Russel Wallace now had a similar theory forced early joint publication of Darwin's theory. The reaction to Darwin's theory, even after publication of On the Origin of Species in 1859, was more muted than he had feared. One of the first responses to review copies came from Charles Kingsley, a Christian socialist country rector and novelist, who wrote that "it was "just as noble a conception of Deity, to believe that He created primal forms capable of self development... as to believe that He required a fresh act of intervention to supply the lacunas which He Himself had made." For the second edition, Darwin added these lines to the last chapter, with attribution to "a celebrated author and divine".

In 1860 seven liberal Anglican theologians caused a much greater furore by publishing a manifesto titled Essays and Reviews in which they sought to make textual criticism of the Bible available to the ordinary reader, as well as supporting Darwin. Their new "Higher Criticism" represented "the triumph of the rational discourse of logos over myth." It argued that the Bible should not be read in an entirely literal manner, thus becoming "a bogey of Christian fundamentalists ... but this was only because Western people had lost the original sense of the mythical." The Christian fundamentalists were just as vocal.

There was close correspondence between Darwin and his American collaborator Asa Gray, a devout Presbyterian who discussed with him the relationship of natural selection to natural theology and published several reviews arguing in detail that they were fully compatible. Darwin financed a pamphlet publishing a collection of these reviews for distribution in Britain. In one 1860 letter to Gray, Darwin expressed his doubts about the teleological argument which claimed nature as evidence of god, though he was still inclined to vaguely believe in an impersonal God as first cause:

With respect to the theological view of the question; this is always painful to me.— I am bewildered.– I had no intention to write atheistically. But I own that I cannot see, as plainly as others do, & as I [should] wish to do, evidence of design & beneficence on all sides of us. There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent & omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidæ with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars, or that a cat should play with mice. Not believing this, I see no necessity in the belief that the eye was expressly designed. On the other hand I cannot anyhow be contented to view this wonderful universe & especially the nature of man, & to conclude that everything is the result of brute force. I am inclined to look at everything as resulting from designed laws, with the details, whether good or bad, left to the working out of what we may call chance. Not that this notion at all satisfies me. I feel most deeply that the whole subject is too profound for the human intellect. A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton.— Let each man hope & believe what he can.
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