Hey lets play Darwin versus Disney! Who's imagination was better?

A few counterpoints to your points.

1. The creator did not 'remove traits' in his creatures, he did not go about rewriting/deleting DNA assembly codes for eliminating organs/extremities. He designed each species perfect from the start or they would have immediately died off, not lasting long enough to reproduce even once. This isn't 'faith', it's simple science.
Here's 10 of them that while they aren't gone yet, are just vestigial remnants of days gone by, except for #1 which kinda proves design isn't so intelligent.

No. 1 - Male Nipples
Because, why?

No. 2 - Appendix
Darwin claimed the appendix was useful for digestion during our early plant-eating years; it's dwindled down to little since we started eating more digestible foods.

No. 3 - Wisdom Teeth
Back in the day, when we ate mammoth meat off the bone and didn't floss afterward, our teeth tended to fall out. Therefore, when those reserve molars, aka "wisdom teeth," came in they were welcomed. Nowadays, fluoride and dental plans have just made them a huge pain.

No. 4 - Erector Pili
When we were hairier, the erector pili made the hairs stand on end when we needed to appear bigger and scarier. Now, it just gives us goose bumps.

No. 5 - Coccyx
More useful as a game-winning Scrabble word than part of the anatomy, the coccyx, or tailbone, is several fused vertebrae left over from the olden days when we had tails.

No. 6 - Tonsils
Also prone to swelling and infection. If you have them by your 30s, it's almost an accomplishment.

No. 7 - Adenoids
Adenoids trap bacteria, but they're also prone to swelling and infection. Just ask any 7-year-old. Luckily, our adenoids shrink with age and are often removed, along with …

No. 8 - Sinuses
Doctors don't really know much about sinuses, only that we have a lot of them. Possibilities for their function range from insulating our eyes to changing the pitch and tone of our voice.

No. 9 - Body Hair
No doubt we were once hairier. Up until about 3 million years ago, we were covered with it. But by the time Homo erectus arrived, the ability to sweat meant we could shed our wooly ways.

No. 10 - Plica semilunaris (third eyelid)
You may not know it, but you have a third eyelid. Pull open the two more noticeable eyelids and take a look - it's located right in the corner by the tear duct. The third eyelid is left over from what's known as a "nictitating membrane," which is still present in animals like chickens, lizards and sharks.

on to number 2.

2. QUOTE; "Believe blindly give up your technology and spend your days praising me to the exclusion of all else!!!"
This is an excellent description of religion, but what does religion have in common with God, what use does God have for religion? The difference between religion, and science is, religionists presume to proclaim them selves saved, science, usually proclaims there's no such hope.

Well you can't have day without night, you can't have fire without heat, and you can't have god without religion. God is religion. If there were no religion god would not exist, and the only thing that separates religion from myth is about 2,000 years. Science dose not try to disprove god, it works to better understand the universe. Science gives us hope for a better tomorrow.

3. The theory of NON-intelligent, random chance, design cannot coexist with scientific observation of the infinite complexity of cellular structure/operation/replication.

This one is just plain silly. The infinite monkey theorem can prove this with math. here's the link as I'm not a math teacher [link to en.wikipedia.org] What you have is complexity and beauty created from random action.

As for my concept of faith, I'm pretty sure that the bible is where intelligent design came from, after all in the beginning and what not...

And as far as shoestrings go, I prefer sandals!

and evolution doesn't teach children { and adults} to believe in lies????


at least Disney appeals to our child like imaginations-not claiming anything else but Fantasy-
evolution claims to be "scientific"....and remains only a theory

so when was the last time you heard a snake talk?
see a fully formed woman materialize from a man's rib?
experience a life of pain and hardship from eating an apple?

are these the facts you expect to be taught exclusively to kids?

please spare me the analogy argument, you attack evolution as fantasy, fine, show me hard evidence of the genesis reality,not the inane ramblings of kent hovind from his prison cell, or the first chapter of a book.

Show me one single half and half 'evolving' fossil ias evidence of your fantasy land theory.

Show me one single half and half 'evolving' fossil ias evidence of your fantasy land theory.

Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."

Disney. Darwin's theory wasn't even original. He stole it all right out of Genesis chapter 1. First came the plants, then the sea ceatures, then birds, then land animals, then man. Darwin's evolutionary ladder is exactly what the Bible says the order of creation was.

All Darwin did was take God out of it and replace him with "Mother Nature."

I love how christians LOVE to forget about genesis chapter 2 where the creation story there contradicts the one from chapter 1.

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.

Really? So what does this magnificent scientific ephiny leave you holding the bag with when the great tribulation implodes on this world, a scapegoat philosophy of 'innocence by ignorance"? Where ya gonna cash those chips in at? Darwin's grave?

I actually laughed when I read your post. What chips pray tell am I supposed to be "cashing in"? You folk blindly believe what a heavily edited 2000 year old text that plagiarized much older religions, and is so self contradictory that anyone who actually read it and had the mental retention of a monkey with downs syndrome would have to wonder how a religion formed around it.

Granted if you are right and god is truly the asshole you people claim he is then I will burn in hell eternally, but I prefer to think that if there is a god, and I'm willing to admit that there might be, then it is a compassionate and rational being who expects me to live a good life and treat others the way I would want to be treated. Not go around telling others that their immortal souls will suffer an eternity of torment because they never heard of him, or didn't accept his superbaby that was a result of celestial RAPE (and since Mary was 14 and didn't consent it is beyond the shadow of a doubt rape) as their personal lord and savior.

I applaud the fact that you are in fact worried about my immortal soul. What I do not condone is the fact that you people cannot accept that other people have very different views about their spirituality. When you guys ask WWJD you really need to realize that he would make an offer, if the offer was refused he wouldn't go on a crusade or an inquisition, he would leave them the hell alone because he realized that their beliefs are every bit as valid as the ones he holds.

Setting your 'religious/philosophical' mortal impailment aside for a moment, consider that I might be offering you some 'accurate knowledge' with which you can transform your frustrated molten metal slag into a real life forged sword of dragon slaying truth.
We don't have to contend againt each other... we can bond together in conquest of mankind's common enemy;
" Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit. And to that end keep awake with all constancy and with supplication in behalf of all the holy ones" Eph6:1
Luke..... use the force......
No?

But therein lies the barb. For knowledge to be accurate it has to be verifiable. How dose one verify what you have stated? I myself stand firm against wickedness, my shield is my education, and my armor is my morals. No need for mystical good and evil there are plenty enough quantifiable sources of good and evil in this world, I don't feel the need to make up more of them.

When a person does good and you claim that a higher power is the source of that altruistic act then you demean that person by saying that their goodness came from someone else. Just like when a person does an evil deed you make them less liable for their actions by saying that the devil made them do it.

This all seems rather silly to me, and if there is a higher power out there I'm pretty sure it will judge you by your actions, not your words. It's easy to do wrong, blame the devil, then ask for forgiveness. It's much harder to resist temptation, act like you are somebody and not need forgiveness.

Now there are time that we all slip and give into those temptations, but a rational being (or at least in my opinion) would weigh the good vs the bad, not some promise made to a man who live 2000 years ago, as whether or not you have a good afterlife, or a bad one.

Food for thought no?

Excellent reply, very responsible and objective, and no cop outs, commendations. What are you citing about a promise of an afterlife? Jesus revealed God's solution to man inheriting sin and death (Ro5:12) as being the second chance resurrection during his 1,000 year reign.

The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.

The fact there is a sect of the world that chooses not only ignore science, but gleefully conspire to bring the pursuit of knowledge and academia to it's veritable knees and plunge us back into the dark ages is far, far scarier than some invisible man down below leading us into a lake of fire.

I can only be cautiously optimistic that this affliction to the human condition will continue to dwindle away.

.... hmmm... yes.... and here's your backup...
"Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." 1Jo2:15
This is what I'm trying to minimize.

Can one not love the world, the things in it, and the father? Never understood the jealousy that God has. Insecurity, and abandonment issues abound. A omnipotent being capable of infinite love should encourage that love in its creations. Therefore love the world, the things in it, and love me! I'll call it Bob 3:16:pope:

"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19

"We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"- 1 John 5:19

I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.

I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

Charles Darwin was actually a demon that Satan placed on earth to bury dinosaur bones to try and trick the people of earth into thinking that the world was more than 6,000 years old... Then he took the carbon 14 atom and fudged the numbers for it's decay rate. Then he and several other demons from hell wrote several religious texts that when dated using the carbon 14 method would show to be older than the bible. All to damn millions of souls to hell.

And what did God do while these agents of the Devil were running amok and leading his children astray you may ask.

Well he just watched it happen without lifting a finger.

that is an imaginations almost as good as Disney's... {but not quite!

An excellent reply, reminding me of another illustration Jesus shared;
"Another illustration he set before them, saying: “The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. 26 When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. 27 So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ They said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No; that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, YOU uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.’” Mt13:24
You're getting better as you go here Agnostic.

good verses evil a common denominator between Darwin and Disney

I'm going to let you in on a little known secret Celeste, but you gotta promise not to tell anybody.

Ready for it?

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