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The REAL YOU...

 
Sunyata

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Reconciling logic that contradicts emotion...not easy for most...
 Quoting: Aluna


Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


You suffer because you desire. You desire a different environment.
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Reconciling logic that contradicts emotion...not easy for most...
 Quoting: Aluna


Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


You suffer because you desire. You desire a different environment.
 Quoting: Sunyata


ofc, but that doesn't answer the question.
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Reconciling logic that contradicts emotion...not easy for most...
 Quoting: Aluna


Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


You suffer because you desire. You desire a different environment.
 Quoting: Sunyata


ofc, but that doesn't answer the question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


The only reason a problem exists in the first place is because you pose the question ;)
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Reconciling logic that contradicts emotion...not easy for most...
 Quoting: Aluna


Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


You process experience...it's a space you have to create in the mind to process experience at a rate faster than "normal"...

It's hard for me to explain...it will make me sound like a non emotive psychopath probably but emotionally people suffer because they can't process/cope with emotions fast enough to avoid the effect of suffering...

If your thought process works fast your reconciliation between experience and memory storage is near instant...
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Reconciling logic that contradicts emotion...not easy for most...
 Quoting: Aluna


Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


overview
locate the cause of pain (social/ancestral)
Sunyata

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Reconciling logic that contradicts emotion...not easy for most...
 Quoting: Aluna


Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


overview
locate the cause of pain (social/ancestral)
 Quoting: aether


blame game won't get you anywhere
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What does ofc mean?
Sunyata

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What does ofc mean?
 Quoting: Aluna


of course
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Oh...thanks...lol
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locate the cause of pain (social/ancestral)
 Quoting: aether


That would be a part of reconciling...
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I posit that even the most enlightened sage would not be able to avoid suffering in an inescapable torturous environment.
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Reconciling logic that contradicts emotion...not easy for most...
 Quoting: Aluna


Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


overview
locate the cause of pain (social/ancestral)
 Quoting: aether


blame game won't get you anywhere
 Quoting: Sunyata


lol

i know
that is why i said the above
locating the cause of pain is never locating the person (s) believed by faith/belief/tradition to be the cause

that is the blame game

finding the cause of pain is discovering the nature of our universe

hence the word overview
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I posit that even the most enlightened sage would not be able to avoid suffering in an inescapable torturous environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


which is why he or she would locate the cause of pain
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I posit that even the most enlightened sage would not be able to avoid suffering in an inescapable torturous environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


That's why it's a symptom of the human condition...I think things like suffering are necessary...we were created to experience suffering (among a range of other emotions etc)...we were also given the tools to bypass the necessity for it as well...we choose to use them...or not.
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Ok thought experiment.

Let's say you were in guantanamo bay.

How would you choose to not suffer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


overview
locate the cause of pain (social/ancestral)
 Quoting: aether


blame game won't get you anywhere
 Quoting: Sunyata


lol

i know
that is why i said the above
locating the cause of pain is never locating the person (s) believed by faith/belief/tradition to be the cause

that is the blame game

finding the cause of pain is discovering the nature of our universe

hence the word overview
 Quoting: aether




Yes, and so you end up blaming god / the universal self for causing suffering, and there's no way out of that.

Essentially you're forced to posit a malevolent god, against which you cannot win.
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I posit that even the most enlightened sage would not be able to avoid suffering in an inescapable torturous environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


That's why it's a symptom of the human condition...I think things like suffering are necessary...we were created to experience suffering (among a range of other emotions etc)...we were also given the tools to bypass the necessity for it as well...we choose to use them...or not.
 Quoting: Aluna


The only bypass would be suicide
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overview
locate the cause of pain (social/ancestral)
 Quoting: aether


That would be a part of reconciling...
 Quoting: Aluna


reconcile
why is that word ringing a bell
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I posit that even the most enlightened sage would not be able to avoid suffering in an inescapable torturous environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


which is why he or she would locate the cause of pain
 Quoting: aether


and be able to do nothing about it.
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I posit that even the most enlightened sage would not be able to avoid suffering in an inescapable torturous environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


That's why it's a symptom of the human condition...I think things like suffering are necessary...we were created to experience suffering (among a range of other emotions etc)...we were also given the tools to bypass the necessity for it as well...we choose to use them...or not.
 Quoting: Aluna


The only bypass would be suicide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


Suicide is not a bypass for suffering...it's a choice to end an experience that contains a symptom called suffering that has many ways to bypass or cope with it...
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oh
name change

direct and to the point

aluna
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Yep...testing out a new theory...
 Quoting: Shapeshifting Monkey


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I posit that even the most enlightened sage would not be able to avoid suffering in an inescapable torturous environment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


That's why it's a symptom of the human condition...I think things like suffering are necessary...we were created to experience suffering (among a range of other emotions etc)...we were also given the tools to bypass the necessity for it as well...we choose to use them...or not.
 Quoting: Aluna


The only bypass would be suicide
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


Suicide is not a bypass for suffering...it's a choice to end an experience that contains a symptom called suffering that has many ways to bypass or cope with it...
 Quoting: Aluna


SO again, how would one bypass suffering in an inescapable torturous environment?
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The philosophical meaning of the word 'Satya' is "unchangeable", "that which has no distortion", "that which is beyond distinctions of time, space, and person", "that which pervades the universe in all its constancy." Human life progresses through different stages—from childhood to adolescence, from adolescence to youth, and youth to old age. It is through these changes that people progress in the manifest world. That is why human life or its receptacle, the body, is not Satya.
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Yes, and so you end up blaming god / the universal self for causing suffering, and there's no way out of that.

Essentially you're forced to posit a malevolent god, against which you cannot win.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


How familiar are you with your own coping skills...just for sake of understanding your reasoning...if you don't mind answering a personal question...
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Yes, and so you end up blaming god / the universal self for causing suffering, and there's no way out of that.

Essentially you're forced to posit a malevolent god, against which you cannot win.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


How familiar are you with your own coping skills...just for sake of understanding your reasoning...if you don't mind answering a personal question...
 Quoting: Aluna


can you elaborate on your question a bit?
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SO again, how would one bypass suffering in an inescapable torturous environment?
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You have to understand first that we aren't living in an inescapable torturous environment...it's an ability...you have to learn to see ways thru obstacles that don't necessarily exist anywhere except in your own mind.
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SO again, how would one bypass suffering in an inescapable torturous environment?
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You have to understand first that we aren't living in an inescapable torturous environment...it's an ability...you have to learn to see ways thru obstacles that don't necessarily exist anywhere except in your own mind.
 Quoting: Aluna


But the example environment is a literal one - guantanamo bay.
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Yes, and so you end up blaming god / the universal self for causing suffering, and there's no way out of that.

Essentially you're forced to posit a malevolent god, against which you cannot win.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


How familiar are you with your own coping skills...just for sake of understanding your reasoning...if you don't mind answering a personal question...
 Quoting: Aluna


can you elaborate on your question a bit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


Well...are you the type to wallow in your own self pity or do you recover from situations of downfall quickly...you know, your coping skills, how you process emotions when bad shit happens to you? Like how quick can you get over stuff without wasting your days in unproductive emotion like suffering and misery? Hope that's more clear...
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Yes, and so you end up blaming god / the universal self for causing suffering, and there's no way out of that.

Essentially you're forced to posit a malevolent god, against which you cannot win.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


How familiar are you with your own coping skills...just for sake of understanding your reasoning...if you don't mind answering a personal question...
 Quoting: Aluna


can you elaborate on your question a bit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


Well...are you the type to wallow in your own self pity or do you recover from situations of downfall quickly...you know, your coping skills, how you process emotions when bad shit happens to you? Like how quick can you get over stuff without wasting your days in unproductive emotion like suffering and misery? Hope that's more clear...
 Quoting: Aluna


Well that really depends on the circumstances. In general, I get up on my feet quickly.
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SO again, how would one bypass suffering in an inescapable torturous environment?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


You have to understand first that we aren't living in an inescapable torturous environment...it's an ability...you have to learn to see ways thru obstacles that don't necessarily exist anywhere except in your own mind.
 Quoting: Aluna


But the example environment is a literal one - guantanamo bay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26851286


Well...my only experience of guantanamo bay was of blue waters and beautiful sun but I'm assuming you're meaning is of prisoner torture and abuse.

And that kind of environment isn't inescapable...I mean I get your question...but the mind is capable of more than most give it credit for...most people just don't utilize it to it's potential.

The human body is capable of amazing feats of physical abuse...and can recover...the mind is where we survive stuff like that though...and thru a reconciliation process we can either use or not we can survive anything without the emotional scarring that would eventually exist when we ignore where we are (escape reality).

The topic of suffering, though important, is better understood when you know yourself and how you process outside influences like others actions toward you etc...

Knowing you are not a puppet is I guess like a first step...
So rather than debate suffering...I'd prefer to focus on the original intent of my post...

Knowing self...
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overview
locate the cause of pain (social/ancestral)
 Quoting: aether


That would be a part of reconciling...
 Quoting: Aluna


reconcile
why is that word ringing a bell
 Quoting: aether


Probably because of our constant boxing matches...

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