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So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands

 
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Greek govt government seems to have decided to submit coordinates for the outer limits of the Greek continental shelf to the United Nations in the first months of 2013. On June 9th 1995, the Turkish parliament officially declared that unilateral action by Greece would constitute a casus belli.
[link to translate.google.gr]
[link to www.tovima.gr]

Davutoglu Warns Greece Against Oil exploration In The Aegean
[link to www.trtarabic.com]


Turkey closely following any Greek maneuver in Aegean disputes

[link to www.todayszaman.com]

16 islands snatched by Greece due to Turkey's negligence, experts claim. In the Aegean and the Mediterranean, there are 152 islands and islets of which the ownership is controversial

[link to www.todayszaman.com]

Norwegian company PGS is already conducting offshore seismic tests in Greek seas. License round is expected to take place in 2014.

[link to www.pgs.com]

More about the Aegean dispute
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Obvious trap is obvious.

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Greece is screwed if they go to war with Turkey.
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Greece is screwed if they go to war with Turkey.
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Could very well be. FYI Greece is not governed by Greeks the last 3 years, this is international criminal banking cartel, EU and IMF war-mongering that want to push the 2 countries in to a conflict after they sold to both of the countries billions and billions worth of weapons. Parallels with the 1967 CIA imposed military coup that led to Cyprus invasion are obvious for me.

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i'm surprised there's not more interest in this. other players include cyprus, israel, lebanon.
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i'm surprised there's not more interest in this. other players include cyprus, israel, lebanon.
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Great points Swin, Noble Energy in February-March will go for a second drilling in Cyprus despite Turkish threats and Lebanon also announced oil exploration a week ago without resolving their dispute with Israel. The timing of all these moves is concerning with all the things that are happening in Syria and Egypt. Mediterranean powder keg.

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i'm surprised there's not more interest in this. other players include cyprus, israel, lebanon.
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Great points Swin, Noble Energy in February-March will go for a second drilling in Cyprus despite Turkish threats and Lebanon also announced oil exploration a week ago without resolving their dispute with Israel. The timing of all these moves is concerning with all the things that are happening in Syria and Egypt. Mediterranean powder keg.

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it would be a powderkeg even if the countries involved didn't already have longstanding disputes hatred for one another. but they do -- nothing good will come out of all this,
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FREE Cyprus instead. NO dirty games here please.

SO Turkey >>>>


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i'm surprised there's not more interest in this. other players include cyprus, israel, lebanon.
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Great points Swin, Noble Energy in February-March will go for a second drilling in Cyprus despite Turkish threats and Lebanon also announced oil exploration a week ago without resolving their dispute with Israel. The timing of all these moves is concerning with all the things that are happening in Syria and Egypt. Mediterranean powder keg.

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it would be a powderkeg even if the countries involved didn't already have longstanding disputes hatred for one another. but they do -- nothing good will come out of all this,
 Quoting: Swinburnian


+1
Med is and always was a tough neighborhood unfortunately and this won't end well. Don't get me wrong, it's Greece's and Cyprus right to do whatever they want in their seas according to intl. law despite the threats, but i would prefer if this was happening under different circumstances and not with IMF/ECB governing both Greece and Cyprus to serve their geopolitical agenda in the region.
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1.the turks cant go to war.. their army has no command at the moment. the muslim bortherhood govermant arrested all the millitary commanders and an army without a good command cant win wars.
2.if the turks go to war with greece then israel and cyprus will most likely be involved since the turks keep threatning those countries to.
3.the turks are slowing losing more and more freedoms so the govermant is trying to divert attention to security,thats why all those threats toward syria/israel/greece/cyprus are coming but the wont act on them. just look at 2010 their pm said if israel stops the marmara he will send the turkish fleet to liberate gaza and 2013 nothing happened and when israel started drilling for gas he said again he will send the fleet to take our gas deposits and again nothing happened... just a sheep in lions clothing.
just saw a ridicules new law that was just signed that basicly says that anyone who posts negative information about the economy will be send to 5years in jail i mean turks cant even anything bad about their economy what kind of democracy is that.
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FREE Cyprus instead. NO dirty games here please.

SO Turkey >>>>


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1.the turks cant go to war.. their army has no command at the moment. the muslim bortherhood govermant arrested all the millitary commanders and an army without a good command cant win wars.
2.if the turks go to war with greece then israel and cyprus will most likely be involved since the turks keep threatning those countries to.
3.the turks are slowing losing more and more freedoms so the govermant is trying to divert attention to security,thats why all those threats toward syria/israel/greece/cyprus are coming but the wont act on them. just look at 2010 their pm said if israel stops the marmara he will send the turkish fleet to liberate gaza and 2013 nothing happened and when israel started drilling for gas he said again he will send the fleet to take our gas deposits and again nothing happened... just a sheep in lions clothing.
just saw a ridicules new law that was just signed that basicly says that anyone who posts negative information about the economy will be send to 5years in jail i mean turks cant even anything bad about their economy what kind of democracy is that.
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The Turkish govt is going really out of hand regarding liberties and freedoms lately, but after jailing the "deep state" officials Erdogan has no opponent anymore, he can do whatever he wants without asking no one. All these things are happening to provoke Turks in to a conflict so TPTB can dismember Turkey into pieces, it's an obvious trap and at some point i do think that they will react against either Syria, Cyprus, Greece, etc, they practically have bad relations with all of their neighboring countries despite the Davutoglu BS "zero-problems" failed policy, even Turks have criticized his policy a lot lately. Add the Kurds into the equation, peace/ceasefire negotiations with Ocalan the last month which seem to be going well according to the press.
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So Turks, you know that phrase -

Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Otherwise

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'Turkey refuses to sign the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) out of concerns over its implications for its territorial disputes with Greece in the Aegean.

The convention, which was concluded in 1982 and came into force in 1994, recognizes nations' rights to extend their territorial waters up to 12 nautical miles (22 kilometers) and their exclusive economic zone up to 200 nautical miles (370 kilometers) from the baseline.

The implementation of these norms is tricky in the Aegean due to special geographical properties region.'
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'Turkey refuses to sign the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) out of concerns over its implications for its territorial disputes with Greece in the Aegean.

The convention, which was concluded in 1982 and came into force in 1994, recognizes nations' rights to extend their territorial waters up to 12 nautical miles (22 kilometers) and their exclusive economic zone up to 200 nautical miles (370 kilometers) from the baseline.

The implementation of these norms is tricky in the Aegean due to special geographical properties region.'

 Quoting: DUCM900


Yep, true. They expanded their own nautical miles in Black Sea and Med though and they threaten Greece with war if she'll do the same since 1995, they consider the Aegean a special case but the truth is that they just want a piece of the pie of the Aegean and Cypriot oil/natgas.
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This is one to watch - lots of prophecy about Greece vs Turkey.
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Greece is screwed if they go to war with Turkey.
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They won't have to. Russia plans to turn Turkey into a sheet of glass
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Turkish Energy and Natural Resources Minister Taner Yildiz upon a question about the claims over Greek oil exploration in the Aegean Sea and the dispute, he said, "I do not think that our neighbour which deals with such economic problems would open arguments regarding the topic. We do not think of working in problematic areas in Aegean. In the scope of friendship of both countries, we made positive steps in the past. We will maintain this."

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During the last decade Turkey tried to explore for oil in the Greek continental shelf and territorial waters but they couldn't find support from the oil companies coz these actions are obviously against intl. law and Greek sovereignty. So on April 27, 2012 they published in the Turkish Official Gazette the decision of the Council of Ministers of 16 March 2012 granting the Turkish State Oil Company (TPAO) licenses for hydrocarbon exploration (2012/2802, 2012/2968, 2012/2973, 2012 / 2974, 2012/2975, 2012/1753). These permits relate sea areas off of Adana, Antalya, Antioch and Mugla and include pieces Greek continental shelf south of Rhodes, Karpathos, Kastellorizo, and pieces of the Cyprus EEZ.

Since big oil companies won't do Turkey the favor they decided to buy their own 3D seismic vessel named Polarcus for this cause and they expect to start exploration inthe first months of 2013.
[link to www.upstreamonline.com]

Greece is expected to respond with lots of big military drills in the related regions, one of them with Israeli air-force from what i've read recently.

Turksih president Gul in a recent interview 4 days ago said that Turkey has a "right" in the Cypriot EEZ and energy deposits.
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However Turkey seems is an great ally to Israel. The zionist regime seems has a lot of power in Turkey as well...



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Been waiting 4 years for this to happen. No doubt Turkey is going to react with military action.
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Exactly how does one "snatch" 16 islands?
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However Turkey seems is an great ally to Israel. The zionist regime seems has a lot of power in Turkey as well...



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They're supposed to be enemies the last couple of years, although US is pressing them to be friends again due to the the regional tensions and many meetings for reconciliation have taken place and some analysts consider them successful. Greece/Cyprus/Israel have signed a strategic and energy alliance. No idea if the alliances will change if SHTF, the only thing i know is that Israeli officials have stated that they prefer Turkey more than Greece as an ally because of her geographic position in the ME and Caucasus, but the average Israeli person prefers the friendship with Greece than Turkey.
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lol, whats happen, now I got the American flag!

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Been waiting 4 years for this to happen. No doubt Turkey is going to react with military action.
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True, is our right to do this, but as i said i'd prefer if we done this without the central bankers around. This stinks for me.
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Exactly how does one "snatch" 16 islands?
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Honestly dunno.chuckle
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For sure don't expect things to go like in 1996 with the Imia "crisis". This is much, much worse, especially when Turkey is under pressure with the Kurds and their soon-to-be declared "Kurdistan".

If Turkey decides to go full retard and with the Muslim Community in Thrace, then expect direct involvement from both Bulgaria and Russia.
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For sure don't expect things to go like in 1996 with the Imia "crisis". This is much, much worse, especially when Turkey is under pressure with the Kurds and their soon-to-be declared "Kurdistan".

If Turkey decides to go full retard and with the Muslim Community in Thrace, then expect direct involvement from both Bulgaria and Russia.
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This will be far bigger than Imia but i think they'll go for Cyprus first tbh, the island is completely abandoned and unprotected.
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They're supposed to be enemies the last couple of years, although US is pressing them to be friends again due to the the regional tensions and many meetings for reconciliation have taken place and some analysts consider them successful. Greece/Cyprus/Israel have signed a strategic and energy alliance. No idea if the alliances will change if SHTF, the only thing i know is that Israeli officials have stated that they prefer Turkey more than Greece as an ally because of her geographic position in the ME and Caucasus, but the average Israeli person prefers the friendship with Greece than Turkey.
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This will be far bigger than Imia but i think they'll go for Cyprus first tbh, the island is completely abandoned and unprotected.
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Either mobilization against the Republic of Cyprus or naval blocade/invasion of Megisti-Rho-Stroggyli. Could also be Western Thrace and "riots" from the Muslim minority a la Kossovo.

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