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So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands

 
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Seems we've got the "go ahead" for the EEZ.

Greek PM: There're energy resources within the Greek EEZ.

[link to translate.google.gr]

And seems France is in favour of the EEZ declaration, although Hollande is pro-Turkey.
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Nice, he also said that oil/natgas should be exploited according to international law and that France is willing to help. Where does it come from that Hollande is pro-Turkey?
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From this

France says ready to unblock EU entry talks with Turkey on regional policy

[link to thestar.com.my]
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From this

France says ready to unblock EU entry talks with Turkey on regional policy

[link to thestar.com.my]
 Quoting: An ordinary Greek 24388155


If it's only from this and the unblocking of certain chapters it doesn't mean that he is pro-something imho coz both EU and Turkey know that there's no chance for all the chapters getting completed.

Hollande is going to Armenia for the Genocide Remembrance Day, he's also supportive of criminalizing Armenian genocide in France but this move usually stops by business interests between the two countries, doesn't strike me as a pro-Turkey dude tbh.

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Greece is capable of selling gold to balance the budget.

What they are doing now is not fruitful.

hf
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Greece files Note Verbale [verbal notice]to the UN over Greek continental shelf

[link to translate.google.com]

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Greece files Note Verbale [verbal notice]to the UN over Greek continental shelf

[link to translate.google.com]

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And i thought that the timing of the UN and Ban ki-Moon visit by the Foreign Minister today was suspect. Makes sense now.
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Avramopoulos (Greek Minister of Foreign Affairs) explaining the reason for informing the UN.

Turkey wants to conduct search on Greek continental shelf and territorial waters

[link to translate.google.com]
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Avramopoulos (Greek Minister of Foreign Affairs) explaining the reason for informing the UN.

Turkey wants to conduct search on Greek continental shelf and territorial waters[/quote

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 24388155


Thanks for updates Ordinary Greek, appreciate it. cheers
Violations of airspace and territorial waters are endless the last couple of days.

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It's been like that for the last 10 days. Apparently they're trying to find the exact locations the Exocet anti-ship missiles. Read this twitter account the converstions between Kipreos and gmillisis.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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It's been like that for the last 10 days. Apparently they're trying to find the exact locations the Exocet anti-ship missiles. Read this twitter account the converstions between Kipreos and gmillisis.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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Yeah i know, posted a bit about Kalymnos, locals complaining there, but today and yesterday was something else. Drougos says he's gonna do a story about Samos soon, apparently shtf wasn't that far away there either, red alert and all, kept secret so far.

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LOL, LOL, LOL

Velopoulos says that, according to his sources, the shelf coordinates are till the 25th parallel.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Avramopoulos refers to the shelf of ALL Greek islands. And yes, this included Megisti, Rho, Stroggyly, the area Turkish Petroleum Company (TPAO) wants to conduct.

I once respected him, but stopped listening to him when voted in favour of the first IMF/ECB/EuroCommision MoU
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IMPORTANT!


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The islands of Rhodos and Kastelorizo have full shelf and EZZ.
There's also the "note verbale" that was submitted to the UN

[link to translate.google.com]
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LOL, LOL, LOL

Velopoulos says that, according to his sources, the shelf coordinates are till the 25th parallel.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Avramopoulos refers to the shelf of ALL Greek islands. And yes, this included Megisti, Rho, Stroggyly, the area Turkish Petroleum Company (TPAO) wants to conduct.

I once respected him, but stopped listening to him when voted in favour of the first IMF/ECB/EuroCommision MoU
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 24388155


Lol, that's a very weird interpretation of the move. Why would he say that? Never been a fan of Velopoulos tbh, all these things with selling books and tile-asty would be quite an embarrassment for every politician imho.
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siren2

The islands of Rhodos and Kastelorizo have full shelf and EZZ.
There's also the "note verbale" that was submitted to the UN

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 24388155


Guess we gonna have to wait for the response now.
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I wonder if it'll be after the Cypriot elections or within 48 hours. I'm waiting for an article from a Turkish pro-Erdogan newspaper.

I also wonder what are Papandreou and Droutsas now thinking...
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I wonder if it'll be after the Cypriot elections or within 48 hours. I'm waiting for an article from a Turkish pro-Erdogan newspaper.

I also wonder what are Papandreou and Droutsas now thinking...
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Could be just a destabilization inside the country imo, govt is not that stable lately,riots half of what Dekembriana were and they're down, and it's really not that hard to achieve right now with the society getting restless. I think the Cyprus elections will go as planned, it's in their favor after all.
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Seem we copy the Turks on that matter: Internal issues? No problem, let's export them.

I, since 2008, always believed that we would drag to war with Turkey over the continental shelf issue because of a financial collapse. I was expecting it in 2009 (we were really close), but happens now.
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Seem we copy the Turks on that matter: Internal issues? No problem, let's export them.

I, since 2008, always believed that we would drag to war with Turkey over the continental shelf issue because of a financial collapse. I was expecting it in 2009 (we were really close), but happens now.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 24388155


Continental shelf conflict is inevitable at some point, the deposits are known since the late 60's, i'd prefer if we went for it while we were strong and not now, timing is bad imo.
Agreed, always a good tactic to rally the sheep with a national cause. But we should be careful imo, we've been dumped in Smyrna and Cyprus by the allies the last couple of times.

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Yes, this time however is different. It'll ultimately lead to a NATO-Russia conflict 'cos the interests in the area are just huge.

Also, don't forget that back in 1996 people didn't want to sacrifice their "well-being" for a... rock. This time, with millions of unemployed and broke (including myself), a war is somehow a "manna that fell from the sky", however brutal it sounds.
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Yes, this time however is different. It'll ultimately lead to a NATO-Russia conflict 'cos the interests in the area are just huge.

Also, don't forget that back in 1996 people didn't want to sacrifice their "well-being" for a... rock. This time, with millions of unemployed and broke (including myself), a war is somehow a "manna that fell from the sky", however brutal it sounds.
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Game is huge in the East Med, that's why i don't trust Greek politicians to handle such a situation and lead us in a potential conflict, especially politicians that led the country in the mess it is today with their actions and want to exploit this 'manna' for a possible atonement in the eyes of the Greek people. Dangerous games imo.

Polles eyxes aderfi, elpizo na breis ayto pou psaxneis. hf
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If it wasn't for that, I would've already fled the country and find a job in another country. But I'm not risking being stranded in a foreign country whilst there're tensions and havoc.

Plus Eurozone is bound to collapse. With Berlusconi's possible election, I guarantee you EU will fall apart.
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If it wasn't for that, I would've already fled the country and find a job in another country. But I'm not risking being stranded in a foreign country whilst there're tensions and havoc.

Plus Eurozone is bound to collapse. With Berlusconi's possible election, I guarantee you EU will fall apart.
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Eurozone potential collapse after German elections, but if Silvio does get elected and do half of what he's promising could happen sooner. Interesting times.
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The "new Mussolini" and the "new Hitler" elder Paisios was referring to.cool2

BTW, the Greek note verbale is being referred from Turkish Hurriyet newspaper

[link to translate.google.com]
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The "new Mussolini" and the "new Hitler" elder Paisios was referring to.cool2

BTW, the Greek note verbale is being referred from Turkish Hurriyet newspaper

[link to translate.google.com]
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Greek Orthodox approved, hehe. Thanks for link.
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have to go bro, sure thing it's just started. zzzz
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have to go bro, sure thing it's just started. zzzz
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Yep, more to come with this for sure.
Kalhnyxta bro. zzzz
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