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So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands

 
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keep us posted, guys!
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Will do Swin. cheers
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Within the Turkish continental shelf the surveys, Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs says

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Within the Turkish continental shelf the surveys, Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs says

[link to translate.google.com]

siren2
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Source in English:

Ankara rebuffed on Feb. 22 Greece’s complaint to the U.N. regarding Turkey’s decision to grant exploration permits to the country’s state-run oil researcher in the Eastern Mediterranean, saying it would also appeal to the U.N. in order to take “counter steps.”

[link to www.hurriyetdailynews.com]
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Within the Turkish continental shelf the surveys, Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs says

[link to translate.google.com]

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no surprise there
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Hollande says he didn't came to Greece to sell weapons but to help and that energy deposits must first be found and then exploited according to the Law of the Sea and international law with France willing to help and cooperate in the exploitation. But he did some weapon selling too, besides the leasing of 2 frigates France is also offering 4 maritime patrol aircraft's for lease that Greek navy needs.
[link to translate.google.gr]
[link to translate.google.gr]
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French Total interested in Greek Petroleum privatization and oil/natgas exploration in Greece, Cypriot Commerce Minister: TOTAL expected to begin drilling in Cyprus’ EEZ in 2014
[link to translate.google.gr]
[link to famagusta-gazette.com]

Greece has the right to conduct energy exploration in its territorial waters, Prime Minister Antonis Samaras said, pledging to seek an amicable solution with Turkey on the matter when he visits there in early March.
[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Greek Defense Minister met his Turkish counterpart: Inflammatory statements and continuous violations of airspace not helping toward better neighborliness and cooperation between the two countries
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German Chancellor Merkel due in Turkey on Sunday
[link to www.todayszaman.com]

Turkey hopes new Greek Cyprus president won't be 'a joke'
[link to www.hurriyetdailynews.com]

Turkish navy offering cruises to Mykonos and other 6 Aegean islands.
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[link to translate.google.gr]

Kastelorizo - Mediterranean Flashpoint?
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In other news...

Samaras sends a warning to Turkey during International Herald Tribune's conference

[link to translate.google.gr]

Balkan Doom on!
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In other news...

Samaras sends a warning to Turkey during International Herald Tribune's conference

[link to translate.google.gr]

Balkan Doom on!
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cheers for link bro.
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Seems they want to create a fuss just 2 weeks before the Greek-Turkish meeting.
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Seems they want to create a fuss just 2 weeks before the Greek-Turkish meeting.
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Seems like it, meeting will be interesting, lots of things on the table. US now wants to give us maritime patrol aircrafts too, lol, they denied one month ago when a navy general went to US, but since France offered some they decided to change their minds as it seems.
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I really want to hear something that was supposed to happen in 1995; Expansion of our territorial water from 6 to 12 nm.peace
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I really want to hear something that was supposed to happen in 1995; Expansion of our territorial water from 6 to 12 nm.peace
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That's casus belli, lol.cool2
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We have a say here in Greece: "Crooks' last resort is patriotism". Don't forget how "Metapolitefsi" came to Greece (hint: Turkish invasion in Cyprus).
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We have a say here in Greece: "Crooks' last resort is patriotism". Don't forget how "Metapolitefsi" came to Greece (hint: Turkish invasion in Cyprus).
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I'm a patriotic kind of guy too tbh, this is an indisputable sovereign right, i just want to be a bit of realist too at the same time, don't think it would be a good idea to have a potential conflict with anyone while we are on foreign economic and political supervision. Not that my opinion matters off course, because EU is desperate for alternative energy supply, other than Russian one, before the collapse takes place, so they're gonna push hard on this in the next few months. Tbh i think we're getting robbed without a single bit of negotiation, just handing the keys.
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Well, yeah, but don't forget what Giorgakis "Dumpo" Papandreou and Theodore "Whale" Pagkalos were saying about potential oil and natural gas reserves in the Greek peninsula. Or for so many years they're telling us "we don't have oil".

Yes, Europe is desperate for alternative energy supplies, especially after the Ukranian-Russian natgas fiasco.

Turkey however will never accept a solution other than co-sharing. Even if the "creditors" demand peaceful resolution, they won't get it.

A war actually might be the solution for our debt-writeoff, however brutal as it sounds.
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Well, yeah, but don't forget what Giorgakis "Dumpo" Papandreou and Theodore "Whale" Pagkalos were saying about potential oil and natural gas reserves in the Greek peninsula. Or for so many years they're telling us "we don't have oil".

Yes, Europe is desperate for alternative energy supplies, especially after the Ukranian-Russian natgas fiasco.

Turkey however will never accept a solution other than co-sharing. Even if the "creditors" demand peaceful resolution, they won't get it.

A war actually might be the solution for our debt-writeoff, however brutal as it sounds.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


Sounds a bit brutal tbh. damned
We can have a debt-writeoff with a military coup too.tounge
From an armaments perspective the current status quo that has the two countries in a comparable balance of power will only last for 2-3 years more, we're doomed after that.

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So, tommorow the Greek PM visits Istanbul to meet Erdogan. Countdown for dramatic escalations??
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So, tommorow the Greek PM visits Istanbul to meet Erdogan. Countdown for dramatic escalations??
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35433468


Tsup bro? cheers
Should be interesting for sure, dunno if it's gonna be dramatic though. EU parliament on March 12th votes for support of EEZ of EU countries.
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Well, seems March is (again) a crucial month for Greece.
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Well, seems March is (again) a crucial month for Greece.
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Which month isn't tbh? tounge
March is very important for Cyprus though, dunno what will happen with the new guy.
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Yeah, imagine how pretty bad the situation is judging by Oli Rehn's comment on a potential Cyprus bankruptcy and exodus from the Euro.hiding
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Yeah, imagine how pretty bad the situation is judging by Oli Rehn's comment on a potential Cyprus bankruptcy and exodus from the Euro.hiding
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Bankruptcy is the least of the problems imo. Seems that some are pushing for a Cyprus solution combined with the economic solution, not unexpected, but sucks while you're down doesn't it? Not convinced with Anastasiades yet off course, hope he'll do the right thing.
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I think we're in serious escalation. Various rumors circulating that the only matter for discussion will be the Continental Shelf/EEZ and the rest is just facade... We'll wait and see...

In other news, Saint Kosmas from Aetolia is pretty close to confirmation. Tax authorities are after 2.5 million Greeks that cannot pay, but seems they'll get nothing.tounge
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Well, yeah, but don't forget what Giorgakis "Dumpo" Papandreou and Theodore "Whale" Pagkalos were saying about potential oil and natural gas reserves in the Greek peninsula. Or for so many years they're telling us "we don't have oil".

Yes, Europe is desperate for alternative energy supplies, especially after the Ukranian-Russian natgas fiasco.

Turkey however will never accept a solution other than co-sharing. Even if the "creditors" demand peaceful resolution, they won't get it.

A war actually might be the solution for our debt-writeoff, however brutal as it sounds.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


Sounds a bit brutal tbh. damned
We can have a debt-writeoff with a military coup too.tounge
From an armaments perspective the current status quo that has the two countries in a comparable balance of power will only last for 2-3 years more, we're doomed after that.
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Understand that Greece currently has no counter against the Turkish developed SOM and not even your most advanced AA asset the Russian S-300PMU1 is effective against it, the reality is that your entire AA network is vulnerable. The real sad thing is that there is no plan in the works to acquire or develop something to counter the SOM (It entered service in 2012).

Your politicians continue to lie to the Greek people neglecting your nation's security and preventing any chance of the local Greek defense industries from ever becoming self sufficient since your politicos are in league with the Franco-German bribery club, the tragic thing is Greece is fast becoming a nation with an obsolete military, a true paper tiger when compared to Greece's regional rivals.
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Understand that Greece currently has no counter against the Turkish developed SOM and not even your most advanced AA asset the Russian S-300PMU1 is effective against it, the reality is that your entire AA network is vulnerable. The real sad thing is that there is no plan in the works to acquire or develop something to counter the SOM (It entered service in 2012).

Your politicians continue to lie to the Greek people neglecting your nation's security and preventing any chance of the local Greek defense industries from ever becoming self sufficient since your politicos are in league with the Franco-German bribery club, the tragic thing is Greece is fast becoming a nation with an obsolete military, a true paper tiger when compared to Greece's regional rivals.
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SOM is a great missile no doubt about that, but don't over-glorify things, it's something you guys always do with your toys, we have for years similar if not better capabilities with Scalp and Exocet, i'd take the Scalp+Exocet combination over SOM any day of the week but glad you finally joined the cruise club too. Generally speaking we have a quality advantage on the missile dept because we have air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles that you don't currently have. Obviously we have a massive advantage on air-defense too, yours is non-existent, you have none on the long-range dept and Greece is still the only country in the world that i know off that operates both Patriot and S-300. Our air-defense may indeed be a bit more vulnerable now with SOM but we have a good and a very dense air-defense, it would be suicidal not to and it really doesn't make any sense from a military/defense perspective to underestimate it the way you do just because of a cruise missile, keep it real yo, you launch cruise missiles on Greece we obviously do the same thing and on far more strategic and possibly more dense populated targets than you'll do, targets deep inside Turkish soil and you really don't have capable air-defense to save your lives, it's a M.A.D. scenario, so as i said at least try to keep it real, this can't go full-scale annihilation where cruise missiles will be used and Greece is still EU soil last time i checked, it's absurd to even suggest that you'll launch cruise missile on Greece.

Correct on the politicians lies and not wanting to develop Greek defense industries because they sold out. Wrong on obsolete military though, that's just wishful thinking on your part. Military expenses is one of the main reasons that we are bankrupt, we have almost the same number of advanced/newgen fighter aircrafts while Greece is almost 7 times smaller the overall gdp and country population than Turkey, doesn't sound to me as obsolete as you would like to believe or make it out to be. My point is that there is a balance of power that TPTB will try to maintain here, they'll start giving us stuff for free when we won't have any more money to buy because you obviously can't be trusted. Goes without saying that i see you as a paper tiger too, it's a good thing to have a giant conscript army but in the real world quality personnel, training and equipment matters the most and you can't measure these on globalfirepower, the Turkish military elite and establishment is really not what it was and morale is the last couple of years as low as it can go, 13 thousand senior-rank military officers have resigned only during the last 3 years, another thousand is on trial and 15% of the generals is behind bars, 100+ airforce pilots also resigned just last month, alarming soldiers suicide rates, i could go on but you get my point, you can thank your sultan for that.

I'm not trying to say that Greece can win on her own, this is not realistic, especially in the current financial situation that can be easily manipulated by foreign powers against us, but i find the massive underestimations in here a bit odd and ignorant tbh, we can certainly hold our line and cause some damage, our military was built for defense and defense only and the most important thing for me is that it's solely focused on Turkey because we don't face any other realistic regional rival or threat, while your military is focused on pretty much everyone and you doing your best in making everyone in the neighborhood to dislike you a bit more than they already do, your politicians have lied to you too and obviously have totally neglected your security far more than Greece has neglected her own, Greece is the least of your problems, you'll be on multi-front war in no time the way you guys going, keep it up.
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I think we're in serious escalation. Various rumors circulating that the only matter for discussion will be the Continental Shelf/EEZ and the rest is just facade... We'll wait and see...

In other news, Saint Kosmas from Aetolia is pretty close to confirmation. Tax authorities are after 2.5 million Greeks that cannot pay, but seems they'll get nothing.tounge
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35507213



Rumors say that Erdogan asked for cooperation in Crete and Kastelorizo, Crete ffs lmao

Do you know anything more on this Ordinary Greek? 5a
Nice interpretation on Kosmas bro, never thought this way.
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Faildogan actually demanded co-sharing.

Nothing new whatsoever from the Greek-Turksih meeting. Both sides remained stady to their positions.

What did strike me however was MoD's discusion with Chatzinikolaou:

Panagiotopoulos: Look, regardless of what happened with Turkey, I will tell you that our job in the Ministry of National Defence is not to complacent in any way and under any circumstances.

[link to translate.google.com]

Remember, "Red Panos" is/was a journalist in Defence/Foreign Affairs matters. Clearly, something bad is about in the next few days. Keep in mind on the 12th of this month the European Parliament is going to vote in favor of a PanEuropean EEZ.
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Faildogan actually demanded co-sharing.

Nothing new whatsoever from the Greek-Turksih meeting. Both sides remained stady to their positions.

What did strike me however was MoD's discusion with Chatzinikolaou:

Panagiotopoulos: Look, regardless of what happened with Turkey, I will tell you that our job in the Ministry of National Defence is not to complacent in any way and under any circumstances.

[link to translate.google.com]

Remember, "Red Panos" is/was a journalist in Defence/Foreign Affairs matters. Clearly, something bad is about in the next few days. Keep in mind on the 12th of this month the European Parliament is going to vote in favor of a PanEuropean EEZ.
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Hope you're well bro. cheers
Yep, defense minister said that our views on the matter don't match but Erdogan is taking the piss with co-sharing under Crete, Kastelorizo is understandable, but Crete, lol.
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There's going to be escalation and diplomatic tensions, not doubt. It remains to be seen if this escalation starts from Thrace or from the Aegean Sea.

Also note next week the President of the Republic of Cyprus (which Turkey doesn't recognize) is going to meet with Samaras, so expect a wording about the EEZ.

We're in the final phase mate. Don't forget that Elder Paisios was crystal-clear: "When you'll hear on TV that there's going to be an issue about the "continental zone" [continental shelf/EEZ], then war follows." Now our journos have also become "geopolitical analysts". lol
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There's going to be escalation and diplomatic tensions, not doubt. It remains to be seen if this escalation starts from Thrace or from the Aegean Sea.

Also note next week the President of the Republic of Cyprus (which Turkey doesn't recognize) is going to meet with Samaras, so expect a wording about the EEZ.

We're in the final phase mate. Don't forget that Elder Paisios was crystal-clear: "When you'll hear on TV that there's going to be an issue about the "continental zone" [continental shelf/EEZ], then war follows." Now our journos have also become "geopolitical analysts". lol
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35618269


Well Thrace always can be used as counterweight, seems to be calm for now, Anastasiades is visiting yes although i'm not sure if it's gonna have something to do with EEZ or the economy of Cyprus. Yeah, tv is playing this on a daily basis for the last month, Greek Orthodox approved.
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We'll wait and see. Difficult times ahead...hiding

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