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So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands

 
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Turkey is claiming Greek continental shelf in the islands of Rhodos and Kastelorizo


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Russia is moving into the Aegean.

Look for a Gazprom deal to be signed over the next few days (Currently a german/russian deal is being played) and this will make it difficult for the U.S. which is using Turkey as a proxy to block a Russian move into the Gas/oil fields.

Italy has already agreed to restart the building of a new connection to the peleponese and with Spain and France now realising that the resources in Greece are huge are beginning to realign their strategies for Resource procurement.

For those who want the Euro to collapse be careful what you wish for.

Greece needs to sell the Resources it has using the Euro and not a devaluated Drahma.

Remember it was the Anglo's (U.S/U.K) that where jealous of how productive Germany had become and started WW1/WWII. Yes there where other geopolitical reason but it was germany/russia that where against Federal reserve type private banks and this is happening again.

Why do you think Germany is against setting up more power to the ECB?

Has Germany and other Euro countries made mistakes yes plenty but who put the bad derivatives onto the books of European banks?
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Turkey is claiming Greek continental shelf in the islands of Rhodos and Kastelorizo


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spock

Nice. EU is also voting for EEZ and Energy Roadmap 2050 today.
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Russia is moving into the Aegean.

Look for a Gazprom deal to be signed over the next few days (Currently a german/russian deal is being played) and this will make it difficult for the U.S. which is using Turkey as a proxy to block a Russian move into the Gas/oil fields.

Italy has already agreed to restart the building of a new connection to the peleponese and with Spain and France now realising that the resources in Greece are huge are beginning to realign their strategies for Resource procurement.

For those who want the Euro to collapse be careful what you wish for.

Greece needs to sell the Resources it has using the Euro and not a devaluated Drahma.

Remember it was the Anglo's (U.S/U.K) that where jealous of how productive Germany had become and started WW1/WWII. Yes there where other geopolitical reason but it was germany/russia that where against Federal reserve type private banks and this is happening again.

Why do you think Germany is against setting up more power to the ECB?

Has Germany and other Euro countries made mistakes yes plenty but who put the bad derivatives onto the books of European banks?
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Thanks for interesting post and view. Yes, Russia is trying to move in the Med, Gazprom president met Samaras yesterday, we'll be in massive trouble if we sell the natgas company to Gazprom or any other Russian company though, nothing off the table after that, i expect major provocations if that happens.

I don't think that euro will ever be an oil/natgas trade currency tbh, but never say never, north-south division is inevitable for the survival of EU/euro, swhtf big time if not, Greece and rest of the south can't keep up with this currency, with the euro most Greeks will be dead in 10 years time that Greece will be able to sell some of the resources, it's a very problematic currency and even oil/gas/gold can't save it imo. Always interesting to see the German deals with Russia though.
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The vote on the European Parliament got a delay for the European MP and vice-president Georgios Papastamkos passed out during the voting process.

Parliament VP Papastamkos, who earlier collapsed in the European Parliament plenary chamber after the #CAP vote, has been taken to hospital

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Speedy recovery and I hope it's not a stroke.
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The vote on the European Parliament got a delay for the European MP and vice-president Georgios Papastamkos passed out during the voting process.

Parliament VP Papastamkos, who earlier collapsed in the European Parliament plenary chamber after the #CAP vote, has been taken to hospital

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Speedy recovery and I hope it's not a stroke.
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Wtf. Speedy recovery indeed.
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Joint Cypriot-Israeli drill starts tommorow
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Joint Cypriot-Israeli drill starts tommorow
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Turks will cry about it.. they consider the whole mediterranean sea as their EEZ.
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Joint Cypriot-Israeli drill starts tommorow
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Turks will cry about it.. they consider the whole mediterranean sea as their EEZ.
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Read a report from Turkish War Academy and a think tank that is widely accepted by them, they 'negotiate/advocate' the whole Cypriot EEZ without Cyprus and want to find the median line straight with Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, so yeah, what you say it's true, they think it's all theirs.
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European arrangement of the EEZ requested by European Parliament's resolution


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^^^

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European arrangement of the EEZ requested by European Parliament's resolution


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 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 11314535


Hello bro, thanks for sharing. The you know who disinfo defense website is making things up today, i've read the original EU text some weeks back and mentions nothing for co-sharing, Greece or Turkey. Just says that negotiations and potential frictions can take place for EEZ, nothing more nothing less.

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Here it is the artcile 77 who supposedly says these things:
Emphasises that the granting of licensing rights for drilling and the delineation of EEZs will become a source of friction with third countries, and that the EU should maintain a high political profile in this respect and seek to preclude international discord; underlines that energy should be used as a motor for peace, environmental integrity, cooperation and stability;

[link to www.europarl.europa.eu]

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Correct, but don't forget it's not only the issue between Greece and Turkey. There are issued between Malta-Libya (I think they came to an agreement), Greenland's EEZ in the North Pole, and also between Porugal and Spain over Ilhas Selvagens

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Correct, but don't forget it's not only the issue between Greece and Turkey. There are issued between Malta-Libya (I think they came to an agreement), Greenland's EEZ in the North Pole, and also between Porugal and Spain over Ilhas Selvagens

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 11314535


Yep. cheers
Just that website pisses me off, completely making things up, people not smart to research will believe these things, disinfo spreading is bad. :)
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Why you think it's called "pradvanet"? Plus, it is now registered to a Bulgarian living in Athens (Kypseli).

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Why you think it's called "pradvanet"? Plus, it is now registered to a Bulgarian living in Athens (Kypseli).

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 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 11314535


Amazing.
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Re: So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands
Turkish oceanographic research vessel in Greek territorial waters/continental shelf between Rhodes and Kastelorizo. Greece complains to Turkey. Another cruise by a Turkish corvette in the Aegean islands, Greek armed forces in state of alarm.
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Turkey suspends Italy's ENI over Greek Cyprus gas plans

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Yeah, and now the other oil companies are so afraid of this move. rofl
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Turkey suspends Italy's ENI over Greek Cyprus gas plans

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Yeah, and now the other oil companies are so afraid of this move. rofl
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Tsup man? cheers
Yeah, weird but not unexpected move, ENI is a big player worldwide with presence in 79 countries and biggest Italian company, wonder who's next, can't imagine messing with Total for example.

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Sultan Faildogan thinks that after the settlement with Israel (lololol( and the Kurds (bigger and louder lolololol) he can now settle the whole Greek-Turkish relations.

Turkey thinks that Cypriot-Israeli bi-lateral relations over the EEZ are going to change in favor of Turkish interests, but a) both Cyprus and Israel have signed an INTERNATIONAL Treaty and b) Faildogan is so psychotic over the "evil Jews" he'll mess it up again

In other words, Turkey is like the fox, but eventually will be caught in a trap...
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Sultan Faildogan thinks that after the settlement with Israel (lololol( and the Kurds (bigger and louder lolololol) he can now settle the whole Greek-Turkish relations.

Turkey thinks that Cypriot-Israeli bi-lateral relations over the EEZ are going to change in favor of Turkish interests, but a) both Cyprus and Israel have signed an INTERNATIONAL Treaty and b) Faildogan is so psychotic over the "evil Jews" he'll mess it up again

In other words, Turkey is like the fox, but eventually will be caught in a trap...
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 36232885


They probably got their reassurances and exchanges for the dirty work in the destabilization process in MENA, we'll see. Press got out of control and completely megalomania after the Israeli apology though, you seen the Greater Turkey map with parts of Syria, Iraq, Cyprus and half of Greece in it? Lmao. In milleyt too, not in your average blog or something, in a newspaper with links and friendly ties with the islamists in govt.

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Yeah, I've seen it, I've also seen the map of "Kurdistan" that posess almost all SE Turkey.
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Yeah, I've seen it, I've also seen the map of "Kurdistan" that posess almost all SE Turkey.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 36232885


It was a big week and lots of big things happened, seems we're going for a serious escalation in the ME, but i'm afraid that the reassurances/exchanges were given in our part of the neighborhood, seems that they Kurds got everything they wanted for a ceasefire to be announced, which says a lot imo, we'll see, i'm still analyzing and trying to see the bigger picture here.

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What a coincidence that Ocalan, who's ISOLATED since 1999 in the island of Marmara, gave a ceasefire notice prior to the Kurdish New Year celebrations

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Another coincidence is that Obamama actually ordered Netanyahu to "apologize" to Faildogan 3 years after the 2010 Mavi Marmara incident.

The Kurds want an independent state, neither "minority status" nor "autonomous state".
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BTW, extremely weird silence over the Iranian issue...
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What a coincidence that Ocalan, who's ISOLATED since 1999 in the island of Marmara, gave a ceasefire notice prior to the Kurdish New Year celebrations

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Another coincidence is that Obamama actually ordered Netanyahu to "apologize" to Faildogan 3 years after the 2010 Mavi Marmara incident.

The Kurds want an independent state, neither "minority status" nor "autonomous state".
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 36232885


Yeah, as i said big week regarding developments, not that any of these news were unexpected, but i for sure wasn't expecting to see all these in just one week, seems that TPTB are in a hurry.

As for Kurds, they can't get an independent state that fast, especially inside Turkey, their first target is to get autonomous regions/statelet in all their countries they have population, independent state comes after that or after shtf in the ME. Some kind of autonomy was in the PKK negotiations demands, including change of constitution, nationalist circles don't seem to appreciate the agreement and developments much.

I'm guessing the Kurds will start the Iran campaign after all these, something like the role they had vs Saddam, Sunni vs Shia got even more interesting after the pkk ceasefire and this alliance.

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Turkey ready to negotiate two-state solution for Cyprus: Turkish FM

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Hello??? This is what Turkey wanted since 1983. Boy, this generation of Turkish politician is indeed very dangerous...
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Exactly how does one "snatch" 16 islands?
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Honestly dunno.chuckle
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by some twat I presume?
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Turkey ready to negotiate two-state solution for Cyprus: Turkish FM

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Hello??? This is what Turkey wanted since 1983. Boy, this generation of Turkish politician is indeed very dangerous...
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 36232885


Yeah read that, they're pushing too much the last couple of months for a combined solution, big amount of press and statements on the issue, they're getting restless, can't be good.