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Message Subject So It Begins: Turkey Warns Greece Against Oil Exploration In The Aegean, Turkish experts accuse Greece of illegally snatching 16 islands
Poster Handle Gregor Samsa
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It's a great thing that we can post and chat about these things and i honestly do appreciate the posts. :)
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername

Likewise my friend and thank you again for your long reply.hf

After the end of ww2-civil war we don't have massacres still happening throughout the country, especially state-sponsored ones, while the deep state in Turkey still persecutes people for raising a different opinion and displacing people and minorities, this state-sponsored terrorism is still on high levels despite the "democratization" process claimed.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername

Agreed. Nevertheless i must add it is almost impossible to get rid of the 'deep state' unless a worldwide cleansing from the psychopaths happens, since the roots of the deep state lie much deeper in imperialism and TPTB. But it can change it's shape and structure. So the average person can think that the deep state in Italy, Greece, Turkey etc. (as they claim after the deceptive and fake Ergenekon operation nowadays) is eliminated for good.
Like an US politician once said (i am not sure but it may be Scowcroft, an advisor to George H. W. Bush) : "Turkey is so important and precious it can't be left to their own control."
It's a long issue but i think you know what i mean.

Freedom of press gave the chance to the people here to see the different view too and question many things of the past and this can only positively affect a society, you can't do this thing without fear there and it's not only about the press, arts/intellectuals follow, for example just this past year Erdogan ban.ned about 400-500 internationally known books claiming that they insult Islam and he bitch about EU membership at the same time

 Quoting: insertfunnyusername

Agreed. But what good is a free pres if MSM is a biased propaganda tool. We don't have dictators with epaulets anymore, but we have more devious puppets in power, parrots, repeating words like "in the name of democracy, human rights, bla bla" I would be more careful if i would live in West as once Goethe said "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

I mentioned the Annan plan and referendum, because of your reasoning that international tendency is an indicator of rightfullness (or the opposite) cool2

I don't think that our point of views differ much from each other. My primary purpose to start this discussion was to emphasize the importance of non-black&white thinking (in order to arrive a better position for peace) and that every story has another side and the vast majority of the people choose to know/believe either one of them.
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