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Tired of the bullshit America? Then lets take back our MF Land!

 
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"The TAZ is an encampment of guerilla ontologists: strike and run away. Keep moving the entire tribe, even if it's only data in the Web. The TAZ must be capable of defense; but both the "strike" and the "defense" should, if possible, evade the violence of the State, which is no longer a meaningful violence. The strike is made at structures of control, essentially at ideas; the defense is "invisibility," a martial art, and "invulnerability"--an "occult" art within the martial arts. The "nomadic war machine" conquers without being noticed and moves on before the map can be adjusted. As to the future--Only the autonomous can plan autonomy, organize for it, create it. It's a bootstrap operation. The first step is somewhat akin to satori--the realization that the TAZ begins with a simple act of realization.

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im going to attempt making a loose parellel between this expermiment and a section out of T.A.Z. on Pirate Utopias.

[link to www.nature.com]

"Schneider and his colleagues reached such sub-absolute-zero temperatures with an ultracold quantum gas made up of potassium atoms. Using lasers and magnetic fields, they kept the individual atoms in a lattice arrangement. At positive temperatures, the atoms repel, making the configuration stable. The team then quickly adjusted the magnetic fields, causing the atoms to attract rather than repel each other. “This suddenly shifts the atoms from their most stable, lowest-energy state to the highest possible energy state, before they can react,” says Schneider. “It’s like walking through a valley, then instantly finding yourself on the mountain peak.”



"The TAZ has a temporary but actual location in time and a temporary but actual location in space. But clearly it must also have "location" in the Web, and this location is of a different sort, not actual but virtual, not immediate but instantaneous. The Web not only provides logistical support for the TAZ, it also helps to bring it into being; crudely speaking one might say that the TAZ "exists" in information-space as well as in the "real world." The Web can compact a great deal of time, as data, into an infinitesimal "space." We have noted that the TAZ, because it is temporary, must necessarily lack some of the advantages of a freedom which experiences duration and a more-or-less fixed locale. But the Web can provide a kind of substitute for some of this duration and locale--it can inform the TAZ, from its inception, with vast amounts of compacted time and space which have been "subtilized" as data."

[link to hermetic.com]

The ultra-cold qunatum gas, is the T.A.Z. The Lattice arangement is "the web". Sudden shifts within the web between lowest energy states (the TAZ in full peak) to the highest energy state (the energy to move the zone and stay secure)

the Web, like the lattice, keeps the nodes of the zone in place in a state of repeling, alowing the maximum potential to keep a TAZ state as long as possible. bring them to attraction suddenly, and the TAZ "moves"

am i crazy yet? :)
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the relivence is of what is new

origanal in with new laws
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the relivence is of what is new

origanal in with new laws
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???

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what if GLP started a TAZ? could it be a trend?
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i guess another concept into the fire, but i aint done with it yet ;)
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the relivence is of what is new

origanal in with new laws
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???

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what if GLP started a TAZ? could it be a trend?
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the web site doesnt work for me but I assume that a taz would be a spontanious grouping

small veriations in beliefs not seen early on could have large out comes
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the relivence is of what is new

origanal in with new laws
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???

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what if GLP started a TAZ? could it be a trend?
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the web site doesnt work for me but I assume that a taz would be a spontanious grouping

small veriations in beliefs not seen early on could have large out comes
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its a beyond beliefs imo. if the concept is accepted then i would imagine a person who could accept it wouldnt let hardcore beliefs stand between them and spontanious peak experience.
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imagine if a T.A.Z had a 3d printer aviable to use. it could provide both needed structure and be a source of "income"
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I just wanted to say I love your name. big PKD fan.
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I just wanted to say I love your name. big PKD fan.
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thank you :) his work, mostly his exegesis, is a huge inspiraiton of mine, i consider it a must read for human beings.
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temperary autonomous zone

like a littel country would temperarily srping up like a socalist collectiveism where people where free to try new social consepts

sounds good

why a 3d printer
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temperary autonomous zone

like a littel country would temperarily srping up like a socalist collectiveism where people where free to try new social consepts

sounds good

why a 3d printer
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ya i mean it can even go deeper than that, more than just topological reclaimation, but psychotopical reclaimation as well. the book is well worth reading if you have some time:) this wouldnt be a state or even the OWS concept, truely temporary, it would move when movement needed happening. 3d printers are a relfection of the temporary autonomus concept, imo. and there uses would refelect the imaginations and needs of the TAZ
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I don't think it can exist and still be part of the market (web)

as for the nomads there is no suply line they are not atatched to a market

thats why the attack on horsemanship
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I don't think it can exist and still be part of the market (web)

as for the nomads there is no suply line they are not atatched to a market

thats why the attack on horsemanship
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i wouldnt call the "web" a market, or think of it as one atleast. TBH i would say GLP is a TAZ in the "web" atleast, tho clear it has not taken topographical locations, yet ;)

but hey, now the MSM knows of the site, so we might be due for a REAL debute
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If the A.O.A. retains its affiliation with the "movement," we do so not merely out of a romantic predilection for lost causes--or not entirely. Of all "political systems," anarchism (despite its flaws, & precisely because it is neither political nor a system) comes closest to our understanding of reality, ontology, the nature of being. As for the deserters...we agree with their critiques, but note that they seem to offer no new powerful alternatives. So for the time being we prefer to concentrate on changing anarchism from within. Here's our program, comrades:

1.Work on the realization that psychic racism has replaced overt discrimination as one of the most disgusting aspects of our society. Imaginative participation in other cultures, esp. those we live with.


2.Abandon all ideological purity. Embrace "Type-3" anarchism (to use Bob Black's pro-tem slogan): neither collectivist nor individualist. Cleanse the temple of vain idols, get rid of the Horrible Old Men, the relics & martyrologies.


3.Anti-work or "Zerowork" movement extremely important, including a radical & perhaps violent attack on Education & the serfdom of children.


4.Develop american samizdat network, replace outdated publishing/propaganda tactics. Pornography & popular entertainment as vehicles for radical re-education.


5.In music the hegemony of the 2/4 & 4/4 beat must be overthrown. We need a new music, totally insane but life- affirming, rhythmically subtle yet powerful, & we need it NOW.


6.Anarchism must wean itself away from evangelical materialism & banal 2-dimensional 19th century scientism. "Higher states of consciousness" are not mere SPOOKS invented by evil priests. The orient, the occult, the tribal cultures possess techniques which can be "appropriated" in true anarchist fashion. Without "higher states of consciousness," anarchism ends & dries itself up into a form of misery, a whining complaint. We need a practical kind of "mystical anarchism," devoid of all New Age shit-&-shinola, & inexorably heretical & anti-clerical; avid for all new technologies of consciousness & metanoia--a democratization of shamanism, intoxicated & serene.


7.Sexuality is under assault, obviously from the Right, more subtly from the avant-pseud "post-sexuality" movement, & even more subtly by Spectacular Recuperation in media & advertising. Time for a major step forward in SexPol awareness, an explosive reaffirmation of the polymorphic eros--(even & especially in the face of plague & gloom)--a literal glorification of the senses, a doctrine of delight. Abandon all world-hatred & shame.


8. Experiment with new tactics to replace the outdated baggage of Leftism. Emphasize practical, material & personal benefits of radical networking. The times do not appear propitious for violence or militancy, but surely a bit of sabotage & imaginative disruption is never out of place. Plot & conspire, don't bitch & moan. The Art World in particular deserves a dose of "Poetic Terrorism."


9.The despatialization of post-Industrial society provides some benefits (e.g. computer networking) but can also manifest as a form of oppression (homelessness, gentrification, architectural depersonalization, the erasure of Nature, etc.) The communes of the sixties tried to circumvent these forces but failed. The question of land refuses to go away. How can we separate the concept of space from the mechanisms of control? The territorial gangsters, the Nation/States, have hogged the entire map. Who can invent for us a cartography of autonomy, who can draw a map that includes our desires?

AnarchISM ultimately implies anarchy--& anarchy is chaos. Chaos is the principle of continual creation...& Chaos never died.

--A.O.A. Plenary Session

March '87, NYC
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why the hell do I get the feeling you have never owned anything you did not steal or mommy and daddy give to you?


what the hell you taking back anyway.
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why the hell do I get the feeling you have never owned anything you did not steal or mommy and daddy give to you?


what the hell you taking back anyway.
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litteral toplogical and metaphorical psychotopical enviroments, a temporary peak experience as a autonomous community?

steal? duh. mommy and daddy? was i given, or did i just take too?

why not just read the links, or did you have to work for everything and miss out on a little bit of education in order to wear a "i worked hard my entire life and all i got was this stupid t-shirt"?
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whats ownership without left?
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whats ownership without theft?
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i imagine a most of glp would be no-go on this just due its non-violent nature
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take back your land?

you mean you assholes are finally going back across the ocean?
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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take back your land?

you mean you assholes are finally going back across the ocean?
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if i went back to where i came from, i'd have to camp out in your back yard.
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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THE BOTTOM IN BOLD REMINDS ME OF THE THREAD

MOSSIACH LOOKING THROUGH THE LATTICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
im going to attempt making a loose parellel between this expermiment and a section out of T.A.Z. on Pirate Utopias.

[link to www.nature.com]

"Schneider and his colleagues reached such sub-absolute-zero temperatures with an ultracold quantum gas made up of potassium atoms. Using lasers and magnetic fields, they kept the individual atoms in a lattice arrangement. At positive temperatures, the atoms repel, making the configuration stable. The team then quickly adjusted the magnetic fields, causing the atoms to attract rather than repel each other. “This suddenly shifts the atoms from their most stable, lowest-energy state to the highest possible energy state, before they can react,” says Schneider. “It’s like walking through a valley, then instantly finding yourself on the mountain peak.”



"The TAZ has a temporary but actual location in time and a temporary but actual location in space. But clearly it must also have "location" in the Web, and this location is of a different sort, not actual but virtual, not immediate but instantaneous. The Web not only provides logistical support for the TAZ, it also helps to bring it into being; crudely speaking one might say that the TAZ "exists" in information-space as well as in the "real world." The Web can compact a great deal of time, as data, into an infinitesimal "space." We have noted that the TAZ, because it is temporary, must necessarily lack some of the advantages of a freedom which experiences duration and a more-or-less fixed locale. But the Web can provide a kind of substitute for some of this duration and locale--it can inform the TAZ, from its inception, with vast amounts of compacted time and space which have been "subtilized" as data."

[link to hermetic.com]

The ultra-cold qunatum gas, is the T.A.Z. The Lattice arangement is "the web". Sudden shifts within the web between lowest energy states (the TAZ in full peak) to the highest energy state (the energy to move the zone and stay secure)

the Web, like the lattice, keeps the nodes of the zone in place in a state of repeling, alowing the maximum potential to keep a TAZ state as long as possible. bring them to attraction suddenly, and the TAZ "moves"

am i crazy yet? :)
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take back your land?

you mean you assholes are finally going back across the ocean?
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if i went back to where i came from, i'd have to camp out in your back yard.
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if i went back where i came from, id be in shpongle land ;)

why do you bring up arbitrary one dimensional lines on two dimensional maps made by a bunch of talking apes?
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"At so-called negative Kelvin temperatures, the particles tend to cluster at the LEAST probable locations — it's a kind of smack in the face to entropy."


:)
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Could our TAZ Slime Mold contain a spatial memory while being autonomous? would it be in the net, or the streets?

[link to phys.org]
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bump
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Alltid. Vackert. Nära. (Always. Beautiful. Near.)

"Do not think of your peak experiences as that alone, but as memories of the future"
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