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HOW THE SHILLS HERE OPERATE--learn their rules and tell them to STFU

 
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HOW THE SHILLS HERE OPERATE--learn their rules and tell them to STFU
(less than 50% of original material from "Everything is a Lie" [link to preventdisease.com]


It is the disinfo artist (including paid shills posting on GLP)and those who may pull their strings (those who stand to suffer should the crime be solved) MUST seek to prevent rational and complete examination of any chain of evidence which would hang them. Since fact and truth seldom fall on their own, they must be overcome with lies and deceit. Those who are professional in the art of lies and deceit, such as the intelligence community and the professional criminal (often the same people or at least working together), tend to apply fairly well defined and observable tools in this process. However, the public at large is not well armed against such weapons, and is often easily led astray by these time-proven tactics. Remarkably, even media and law enforcement have NOT BEEN TRAINED to deal with these issues. For the most part, only the players themselves understand the rules of the game.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant.

Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used to show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit. (Babble about 'racists' or 'rednecks', etc)

3. Create rumor mongers.

Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man.

Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.

This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
(This seems to be a favorite of the immature shills who frequent GLP)
6. Hit and Run.

In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain critical reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

7. Question motives.

Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority.

Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb.(Not difficult for shills who post here)

No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news.

A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions.

Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just aren't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution.

Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.

Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions.

Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.


15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions.

This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses.

If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject.

Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.

If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

19. Ignore facts presented, demand impossible proofs.

This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. (Think "Sandy Hook")

Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body.

Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.

22. Manufacture a new truth.

Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions.(Standard operational procedure)

If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics.

If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

25. Vanish.

If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

1) Avoidance

They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity

They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental

They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.


4) Teamwork (Noticed frequently on GLP)

They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved.
Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial

They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a News Group (NG) focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions

An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal.

But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation.

You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent

There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) Time Constant

There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 01/07/2013 07:43 PM
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5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.

This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates'
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And, indeed, 'shill'.
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A Shill can be easliy defined as anyone who disaggres with your opinion
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DATS RACIST!!!!!1
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A Shill can be easliy defined as anyone who disaggres with your opinion
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lot of them just copy and paste from other sites like ;

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so who does one trust, I am sticking with nobody in opposition to anyone that feels a need to paint others in a bad light.
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and tell them to STFU
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No. That is the last thing you should do. Shills not only spin the truth, or mix in lies to twist it - they also (and that is the main goal of them), create a negative atmosphere and implement a conversation culture were insults are accepted and common. And they WANT you to tell them to STFU. Because it distracts you and angers you, and turns you unknowingly into one of their minions. Then you go on and insult them, and since you face them daily, your mood decreases and you become more and more cynic, etc.

Ignore them. Learn their rules, spot them, and then ignore them when you face them. Do not invest energy.

Basically there is only one rule that identifies shills and disinfo agents: If what someones says, gives you nothing - doesn't make you feel better, doesn't make you smarter, doesn't increase your awareness, doesn't entertain you in a heartly way (spoiled sarcasm is a very low form of humor, and does more damage in the long run, then it gives you pleasure in the moment) - then that person is either a disino or a shill or an idiot (that shouldn't feel welcomed as well).


A Shill can be easliy defined as anyone who disaggres with your opinion
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Disguised as rational argument, yet basic shill propaganda, that justifies the daily nonsenical chats to have no substance and lead to nothing. And were never meant to lead to conclusion, but only to duality and negative emotions. They also refer to calling someone a "fucking cunt" being a legitimate opinion.
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Shilldra, Humansack of shit and Astroshill. Best shills on here.hf
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Fuck-- you put some effort into that OP.

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and tell them to STFU
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No. That is the last thing you should do. Shills not only spin the truth, or mix in lies to twist it - they also (and that is the main goal of them), create a negative atmosphere and implement a conversation culture were insults are accepted and common. And they WANT you to tell them to STFU. Because it distracts you and angers you, and turns you unknowingly into one of their minions. Then you go on and insult them, and since you face them daily, your mood decreases and you become more and more cynic, etc.

Ignore them. Learn their rules, spot them, and then ignore them when you face them. Do not invest energy.

Basically there is only one rule that identifies shills and disinfo agents: If what someones says, gives you nothing - doesn't make you feel better, doesn't make you smarter, doesn't increase your awareness, doesn't entertain you in a heartly way (spoiled sarcasm is a very low form of humor, and does more damage in the long run, then it gives you pleasure in the moment) - then that person is either a disino or a shill or an idiot (that shouldn't feel welcomed as well).


A Shill can be easliy defined as anyone who disaggres with your opinion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035

Disguised as rational argument, yet basic shill propaganda, that justifies the daily nonsenical chats to have no substance and lead to nothing. And were never meant to lead to conclusion, but only to duality and negative emotions. They also refer to calling someone a "fucking cunt" being a legitimate opinion.
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Good post A/C, being able to differentiate between those who have an opposing opinion and those who are shilling is sometimes a fine line but is often very obvious.
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Da Fuk is the biggest shill in GLP history.
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Da Fuk is the biggest shill in GLP history.
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I'm in shock your limp wrist can hold such a bass.
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(less than 50% of original material from "Everything is a Lie" [link to preventdisease.com]


It is the disinfo artist (including paid shills posting on GLP)and those who may pull their strings (those who stand to suffer should the crime be solved) MUST seek to prevent rational and complete examination of any chain of evidence which would hang them. Since fact and truth seldom fall on their own, they must be overcome with lies and deceit. Those who are professional in the art of lies and deceit, such as the intelligence community and the professional criminal (often the same people or at least working together), tend to apply fairly well defined and observable tools in this process. However, the public at large is not well armed against such weapons, and is often easily led astray by these time-proven tactics. Remarkably, even media and law enforcement have NOT BEEN TRAINED to deal with these issues. For the most part, only the players themselves understand the rules of the game.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant.

Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used to show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit. (Babble about 'racists' or 'rednecks', etc)

3. Create rumor mongers.

Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man.

Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.

This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
(This seems to be a favorite of the immature shills who frequent GLP)
6. Hit and Run.

In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain critical reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

7. Question motives.

Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority.

Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb.(Not difficult for shills who post here)

No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news.

A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions.

Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just aren't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution.

Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.

Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions.

Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.


15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions.

This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses.

If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject.

Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.

If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

19. Ignore facts presented, demand impossible proofs.

This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. (Think "Sandy Hook")

Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body.

Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.

22. Manufacture a new truth.

Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions.(Standard operational procedure)

If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics.

If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

25. Vanish.

If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

1) Avoidance

They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity

They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental

They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.


4) Teamwork (Noticed frequently on GLP)

They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved.
Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial

They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a News Group (NG) focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions

An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal.

But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation.

You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent

There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) Time Constant

There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


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They usually have lots and lots of GREEN Karma.



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Luckily I don't have much.
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lot of them just copy and paste from other sites like ;

12 July 2012
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so who does one trust, I am sticking with nobody in opposition to anyone that feels a need to paint others in a bad light.
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According to GLP rules, copying & pasting is fine as long as it is less than 50% of the original article and as long as the source is credited.

As for painting others in a bad light--that seems to be a specialty of shills and is the main reason I posted this.

Too often, lively discussions between posters of opposing opinions in which well thought out viewpoints & (reasonably) polite comments are exchanged tend to disintegrate into heaps of crap thanks to a pileup of shilling.

Or maybe it's just teenagers posing from their mothers' basements. But it often seems that many of these posters just recently started posting and will tend to spend all day saying the same drivel over and over.

Whatever, it prevents discussions and exchange of information and airing of all sides in an issue, and being able to read these posts and have access to expanding one's horizons in this manner is what I thought GLP was all about.
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Stage II:

play the shill to get info on who they are and their motives....
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Perhaps you could explain how someone is supposed to disagree with you without being labeled a shill.
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lot of them just copy and paste from other sites like ;

12 July 2012
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so who does one trust, I am sticking with nobody in opposition to anyone that feels a need to paint others in a bad light.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31697695




According to GLP rules, copying & pasting is fine as long as it is less than 50% of the original article and as long as the source is credited.

As for painting others in a bad light--that seems to be a specialty of shills and is the main reason I posted this.

Too often, lively discussions between posters of opposing opinions in which well thought out viewpoints & (reasonably) polite comments are exchanged tend to disintegrate into heaps of crap thanks to a pileup of shilling.

Or maybe it's just teenagers posing from their mothers' basements. But it often seems that many of these posters just recently started posting and will tend to spend all day saying the same drivel over and over.

Whatever, it prevents discussions and exchange of information and airing of all sides in an issue, and being able to read these posts and have access to expanding one's horizons in this manner is what I thought GLP was all about.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


I skipped out for a week last week because of this, seems like all the kids home on Christmas break find it funny to post bs just to argue. I often ignore AC threads (and posts) and won't respond to a "what should I do about?" topic unless it's posted by a real member with username.
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lot of them just copy and paste from other sites like ;

12 July 2012
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so who does one trust, I am sticking with nobody in opposition to anyone that feels a need to paint others in a bad light.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31697695




According to GLP rules, copying & pasting is fine as long as it is less than 50% of the original article and as long as the source is credited.

As for painting others in a bad light--that seems to be a specialty of shills and is the main reason I posted this.

Too often, lively discussions between posters of opposing opinions in which well thought out viewpoints & (reasonably) polite comments are exchanged tend to disintegrate into heaps of crap thanks to a pileup of shilling.

Or maybe it's just teenagers posing from their mothers' basements. But it often seems that many of these posters just recently started posting and will tend to spend all day saying the same drivel over and over.

Whatever, it prevents discussions and exchange of information and airing of all sides in an issue, and being able to read these posts and have access to expanding one's horizons in this manner is what I thought GLP was all about.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


I skipped out for a week last week because of this, seems like all the kids home on Christmas break find it funny to post bs just to argue. I often ignore AC threads (and posts) and won't respond to a "what should I do about?" topic unless it's posted by a real member with username.
 Quoting: CeeLite


Yes, this should become a habit of regulars here.
Do Not Respond to ANY Post Started by Anonymous Coward.
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lot of them just copy and paste from other sites like ;

12 July 2012
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so who does one trust, I am sticking with nobody in opposition to anyone that feels a need to paint others in a bad light.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31697695




According to GLP rules, copying & pasting is fine as long as it is less than 50% of the original article and as long as the source is credited.

As for painting others in a bad light--that seems to be a specialty of shills and is the main reason I posted this.

Too often, lively discussions between posters of opposing opinions in which well thought out viewpoints & (reasonably) polite comments are exchanged tend to disintegrate into heaps of crap thanks to a pileup of shilling.

Or maybe it's just teenagers posing from their mothers' basements. But it often seems that many of these posters just recently started posting and will tend to spend all day saying the same drivel over and over.

Whatever, it prevents discussions and exchange of information and airing of all sides in an issue, and being able to read these posts and have access to expanding one's horizons in this manner is what I thought GLP was all about.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


I skipped out for a week last week because of this, seems like all the kids home on Christmas break find it funny to post bs just to argue. I often ignore AC threads (and posts) and won't respond to a "what should I do about?" topic unless it's posted by a real member with username.
 Quoting: CeeLite


Yes, this should become a habit of regulars here.
Do Not Respond to ANY Post Started by Anonymous Coward.
 Quoting: mikebo2


I think there are like 5 people that come here over and over and post the same "my wife had an affair" thread, wth variations, just because they are board and want to see what people will say, and people meaning well try to help them, but it's a bogus post. Then others read about this site, and come here to "test" post relevant "opinions" that are still bogus, because they don't mean anything they post. It's always AC too, I feel if someone wants to be taken seriously they can "log in" I even posted that once to someone, I never saw them back here again. They think this is a place to get people all shook up for entertainment, but if you've been here any amount of time you can spot those people right off. It's annoying as hell though when there are so many like the last couple weeks.
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So it's being advocated: ' Do Not Respond to ANY Post Started by Anonymous Coward.'


Now you're getting ridiculous

I choose to be an AC. My choice. Why would I want to put a beacon (ID) on my head so that ACTUAL shills can target me?

The mods have my IP. That never alters. That should be good enough

I don't give a rat's about 'karma'. Been there, done that. Had 'karma' to burn in other fora -- all lost because shills who were scared of my opinion and/or disagreed with it, 'reported' my post. And the mods in those fora (mods generally being arch-shills) were only too happy to ban or punish me


So cut it out with the victimisation of ACs. Because advocating the ignoring of ACs will send this forum crashing into obscurity

Most shills are embedded deep in political fora. They've been around for years. It's not just one shill using an ID -- it's generally a group of them running a tag-team shill operation. And many of those shills are Megaphonies, paid to sit on their bums all day and night, sinking any discussion that might influence opinions re: governmental/puppet govt. scams


You can't silence opposition

Those who attempt to silence opposition are SHILLS

Many shills are embedded in fora

they play 'good guy/bad guy'

They amass loads of 'karma'

They are supported by other shills who ALSO amass 'karma'

They work together to drive honest opinion out

If they succeed, it's people generally and always the site itself, which suffer


Let the stones land where they may, in other words

People have to sort posts using their natural radar

People NEED to develop discerning skills - need to hone their instincts/radar

I can go to any of dozens of sites like this. They're all the same and are probably owned and operated by the same people, as you must surely all know

Anyone claiming to know how to create a 'pure' forum is an arch-shill
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I think there are like 5 people that come here over and over and post the same "my wife had an affair" thread, wth variations

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Exactly. I've called them on it already

Their purpose is to derail, divert

It's as obvious as the nose on your face

That being the case, why would anyone with an ounce of brain push derailing threads like that to the top ?


How to defeat derailment threads like that? IGNORE them

Simple


Don't feed them
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Shilldra, Humansack of shit and Astroshill. Best shills on here.hf
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These guys have got to get an honorable mention :-

1. Noble
2. Snake Airlines
3. The Guy
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Great post Ralph. 5*
That is all...
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Perhaps you could explain how someone is supposed to disagree with you without being labeled a shill.
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There's a tremendous amount of disagreement on this site that I don't think most people would feel is "shilling". I know that term gets thrown around indiscriminately and like you imply, is often unfairly applied to someone else just because they don't share your same viewpoint on a particular topic or on life in general.

The points I was looking at in that article wouldn't be applied to you by any reasonable person as your comments (from what I have noticed) appear to be well thought out and although I have not always felt the same way as you do on particular topics, you have never seemed to exemplify those traits mentioned in the text.

Some of the comments in the past month or so on GLP have been from very new posters and have been childish, totally illogical, deliberately hurtful for no reason (like the things said to the guy who was grieving over killing his brother--he wasn't trying to argue with anybody), quick to call people names with no substance or explanation behind their accusations, and in general share many of the characteristics pointed out in that article.

The increase in this kind of post was to be expected around election time and since GLP stopped most bans. But after the Sandy Hook event, it has become not only more prevalent but much more obvious. It too often serves its purpose by derailing threads and halts any debate of topics that are of interest to many.
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I volunteer to handle all female shills by making love to them down by the fire.

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So it's being advocated: ' Do Not Respond to ANY Post Started by Anonymous Coward.'


Now you're getting ridiculous

I choose to be an AC. My choice. Why would I want to put a beacon (ID) on my head so that ACTUAL shills can target me?

The mods have my IP. That never alters. That should be good enough

I don't give a rat's about 'karma'. Been there, done that. Had 'karma' to burn in other fora -- all lost because shills who were scared of my opinion and/or disagreed with it, 'reported' my post. And the mods in those fora (mods generally being arch-shills) were only too happy to ban or punish me


So cut it out with the victimisation of ACs. Because advocating the ignoring of ACs will send this forum crashing into obscurity

Most shills are embedded deep in political fora. They've been around for years. It's not just one shill using an ID -- it's generally a group of them running a tag-team shill operation. And many of those shills are Megaphonies, paid to sit on their bums all day and night, sinking any discussion that might influence opinions re: governmental/puppet govt. scams


You can't silence opposition

Those who attempt to silence opposition are SHILLS

Many shills are embedded in fora

they play 'good guy/bad guy'

They amass loads of 'karma'

They are supported by other shills who ALSO amass 'karma'

They work together to drive honest opinion out

If they succeed, it's people generally and always the site itself, which suffer


Let the stones land where they may, in other words

People have to sort posts using their natural radar

People NEED to develop discerning skills - need to hone their instincts/radar

I can go to any of dozens of sites like this. They're all the same and are probably owned and operated by the same people, as you must surely all know

Anyone claiming to know how to create a 'pure' forum is an arch-shill
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Absolutely. Some of the best and most thought provoking threads and replies (like yours) are by A/Cs.

And there are registered users who could be suspected of doing the tag team routine as you point out, in order to silence honest opinions of other posters.

I believe that your advice of following one's natural radar and developing discerning skills is probably the best one can do but damn, they are irritating! I need to meditate more to develop more patience.
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