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If the economy collapses who is going to benefit?

 
Keneh
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If the economy collapses who is going to benefit?
My question is where is all the wealth? now you might say all the rich people and corporations. But I don't think that's necessarily true. The United States has a 16.4 trillion deficit and we probably owe much more than that. But we owe most of that money to the Rich people and corporations. So if the economy collapses and the United states goes bankrupt who is going to be left holding the bag? The rich who will probably never get there money back. Next question would be what has the United States been spending all this borrowed money on and where is all the wealth?
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one mit think that there planing putting a new currancy in place give them selfs the wealth and leaveing the rest of us holding the bag.
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I have been thinking long and hard about this. So please let me try out a theory.

The "wealthy" are actually pissed at everyone in first world countries, because ... most people no longer aspire to be like them or have their accouterments.

Would you rather spend 2 hours in a "luxury" box watching a yaught race, formula 1, nascar, or a football game? Or would you cruise the 'net with that time? GLP, youtube, pictures of funny cats?

Do you, or enough people you know really think 5,000 sq ft. homes with granite counter-tops is impressive? Do you think being like Charles Barkley and playing $2000/hand blackjack games is an adrenaline rush?

It is trivially easy to get promiscuous sex, porn, alcohol, drugs. The social safety-net allows you all of these things and having children too!

A $30 MP3 player can rival the sound quality and quantity that rich people spent $100,000+ on sound systems and media as recently as 30 years ago.

You have the sum total of human knowledge available at your fingertips via the internet. The most elite universities in the world put their lectures and coursework online. For free.

Sure, us oldsters bought it hook line and sinker. we are in debt, we still respond to corporate advert campaigns. We will never escape, but the younger generations are a problem. The elite are not going to be able to pass down the hierarchy to their children.

Anyone who has studied management theory know that you have to be able to incentivize people with perks to make them work harder. They are running out of dog treats to keep us on a light leash, so they are starting to put the boots on our necks. You have to truly smash the economy and create lots of ridiculous infighting among the plebs to get them back on the only incentive system they know how to run. And they have to be in control. It destroys their soul when they are not in control of the masses.
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Re: If the economy collapses who is going to benefit?
THE QUESTION IS RIDICULOUS!

The 1% will go exponential in their holdings with their friends doing quite well.

The rest of us will lose everything and the FEMA camps will be FULL!
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Re: If the economy collapses who is going to benefit?
THE QUESTION IS RIDICULOUS!

The 1% will go exponential in their holdings with their friends doing quite well.

The rest of us will lose everything and the FEMA camps will be FULL!
 Quoting: RockHall


But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
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Time for a culling of the slave class probably.

The model of slavery we live in tends to be highly productive, but it also has the highest risk of collapse.

If enough people realize they are simply tax cattle abused through media by endless resource and power grabs it creates an issue.

Allowing the slaves to choose more specific vocations allows them to yield higher tax products.

This Money/Tax game has been going on a long time. Perhaps we've hit a point where mechanization is picking up, or people are becoming too agitated as the prison bars become more visible.

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Re: If the economy collapses who is going to benefit?
THE QUESTION IS RIDICULOUS!

The 1% will go exponential in their holdings with their friends doing quite well.

The rest of us will lose everything and the FEMA camps will be FULL!
 Quoting: RockHall


But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
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the fed can keep printing... regardless of the government or one percent.
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Seriously you all need to study history. Have you ever heard the expression we are going to ride it until the wheels fall off. Do you not understand how serious this is. This is about instituting complete control. They will profit on the up swing and profit on the down swing. Claiming authority is the goal and making sure the claim all of it. This is for keeps and population control is the biggest factor in doing this. When the socialists took control thru Lenin in the Soviet Union. He killed 60-70 million innocent people. Either shot them dead or starved them to death. The evil that these people inflicted is sick. The elite profited enormously over these actions and it did not stop with Lenin. You let them take the guns and watch what happens next. Oh yeah and a little known fact of you 16 trillion in debt is more like 500 trillion. You really need to get up with the facts. Why do you think no one wants our monopoly money.
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Haiti will be the lucky one.
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what has the United States been spending all this borrowed money on
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underground cities,
so they can avoid the collapse
and start over again after
90% of the population is gone.

and the Matrix starts over again
with 144K
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Wealth is imaginary. Only power and control exist. They get you to believe in wealth so that they may have power and control over you.
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Seriously you all need to study history. Have you ever heard the expression we are going to ride it until the wheels fall off. Do you not understand how serious this is. This is about instituting complete control. They will profit on the up swing and profit on the down swing. Claiming authority is the goal and making sure the claim all of it. This is for keeps and population control is the biggest factor in doing this. When the socialists took control thru Lenin in the Soviet Union. He killed 60-70 million innocent people. Either shot them dead or starved them to death. The evil that these people inflicted is sick. The elite profited enormously over these actions and it did not stop with Lenin. You let them take the guns and watch what happens next. Oh yeah and a little known fact of you 16 trillion in debt is more like 500 trillion. You really need to get up with the facts. Why do you think no one wants our monopoly money.
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I read its estimated that there is 100-200 trillion in worldwide wealth. I think the actual figure we owe is more like 100 trillion. So we posses 50-100% of the worlds wealth.
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Re: If the economy collapses who is going to benefit?
THE QUESTION IS RIDICULOUS!

The 1% will go exponential in their holdings with their friends doing quite well.

The rest of us will lose everything and the FEMA camps will be FULL!
 Quoting: RockHall


But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
 Quoting: Keneh


the fed can keep printing... regardless of the government or one percent.
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2 words. "Weimar Republic" Were doing the exact same thing. The out come will be the same......

Buckle up.
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THE QUESTION IS RIDICULOUS!

The 1% will go exponential in their holdings with their friends doing quite well.

The rest of us will lose everything and the FEMA camps will be FULL!
 Quoting: RockHall


But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
 Quoting: Keneh


the fed can keep printing... regardless of the government or one percent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11168313


2 words. "Weimar Republic" Were doing the exact same thing. The out come will be the same......

Buckle up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19980561


"By the end of the year, over two hundred factories were working full-time to produce paper for the spiraling bank note production"

"In 1919, one loaf of bread cost 1 mark; by 1923 the same loaf of bread cost 100 billion marks"

Wiemar Republic
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But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
 Quoting: Keneh


the fed can keep printing... regardless of the government or one percent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11168313


2 words. "Weimar Republic" Were doing the exact same thing. The out come will be the same......

Buckle up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19980561


"By the end of the year, over two hundred factories were working full-time to produce paper for the spiraling bank note production"

"In 1919, one loaf of bread cost 1 mark; by 1923 the same loaf of bread cost 100 billion marks"

Wiemar Republic
-Wikipedia
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Better have Gold/Silver on hand.
yea,yea,yea...you can't eat it. But at least it'll have 'worth' the paper money in our wallet's soon 'won't'
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It is not the economy they want to destroy. It is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights they will destroy through the destruction of the economy.
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I'm wondering if dork will give part of the country to China to pay them off. If I owned a large farm I'd sell it. One way or the other a government will take control of it.
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Who's going to benefit?!?!? Why the one's who own 90% of the commodities, Real Estate, Food Resources and Energy production in the world...

The Elite silly...they always come out smelling like a rose!
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I'm wondering if dork will give part of the country to China to pay them off. If I owned a large farm I'd sell it. One way or the other a government will take control of it.
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We only owe China about 8% of our debt

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It's called assets. They have more than you.
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But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
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No, our monetary system doesn't work that way.

It isn't like your checking account.

The short answer is that all money is created upon the premise that the government will force the middle class taxpayer to cough up the money though T A X A T I O N.

The Federal Reserve and all other central banking schemes are like a magical wheel that spins straw into gold. The Government and the banking/industrial sector are 100% partners in the operation, one cannot exist without the other.

Take the time to read "The creature from Jekyll Island", Griffin. The monetary system explanation is excellent, veers off into conspiracy in the later chapters.
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Who's going to benefit?!?!? Why the one's who own 90% of the commodities, Real Estate, Food Resources and Energy production in the world...

The Elite silly...they always come out smelling like a rose!
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Ok, lets start with real estate. The united states government owns Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. These two companies Guarantee 60% of home loans, Which means they hold a lien on 60% of the homes in the united states so if they decided to foreclose they would own all this land . Plus the government Owns 30% of all land in the united states in the form of public lands.
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But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
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No, our monetary system doesn't work that way.

It isn't like your checking account.

The short answer is that all money is created upon the premise that the government will force the middle class taxpayer to cough up the money though T A X A T I O N.

The Federal Reserve and all other central banking schemes are like a magical wheel that spins straw into gold. The Government and the banking/industrial sector are 100% partners in the operation, one cannot exist without the other.

Take the time to read "The creature from Jekyll Island", Griffin. The monetary system explanation is excellent, veers off into conspiracy in the later chapters.
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But the Federal Reserve Bank which is the one printing all this money and lending it to the federal government is owned by the elite. so I take that to mean that the Elite is loaning
all there money to the government. 42% of the national debt is owned by US individuals and Institutions, The Elite.
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Who's going to benefit?!?!? Why the one's who own 90% of the commodities, Real Estate, Food Resources and Energy production in the world...

The Elite silly...they always come out smelling like a rose!
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Ok, lets start with real estate. The united states government owns Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. These two companies Guarantee 60% of home loans, Which means they hold a lien on 60% of the homes in the united states so if they decided to foreclose they would own all this land . Plus the government Owns 30% of all land in the united states in the form of public lands.
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Really? And who is buying up all of the Mortgage Backed Securities that Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac package at a rate of 40 Billion per month right now?!?!?
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The government will benefit when they provide the perfect solution, a new world order.

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But the 1% have loaned most of there money to the federal government?
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No, our monetary system doesn't work that way.

It isn't like your checking account.

The short answer is that all money is created upon the premise that the government will force the middle class taxpayer to cough up the money though T A X A T I O N.

The Federal Reserve and all other central banking schemes are like a magical wheel that spins straw into gold. The Government and the banking/industrial sector are 100% partners in the operation, one cannot exist without the other.

Take the time to read "The creature from Jekyll Island", Griffin. The monetary system explanation is excellent, veers off into conspiracy in the later chapters.
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But the Federal Reserve Bank which is the one printing all this money and lending it to the federal government is owned by the elite. so I take that to mean that the Elite is loaning
all there money to the government. 42% of the national debt is owned by US individuals and Institutions, The Elite.
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The Fed will use their strawbuyer TBTF banks to purchase the debt of all assets(loans) they want then they will crash the system and foreclose. They will use the legal and tax system to implement agenda 21 concentrating people into urban areas where they will be enslaved because they cant provide food for themselves.
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Who's going to benefit?!?!? Why the one's who own 90% of the commodities, Real Estate, Food Resources and Energy production in the world...

The Elite silly...they always come out smelling like a rose!
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Ok, lets start with real estate. The united states government owns Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. These two companies Guarantee 60% of home loans, Which means they hold a lien on 60% of the homes in the united states so if they decided to foreclose they would own all this land . Plus the government Owns 30% of all land in the united states in the form of public lands.
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Really? And who is buying up all of the Mortgage Backed Securities that Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac package at a rate of 40 Billion per month right now?!?!?
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I dont know. you tell me?
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Who's going to benefit?!?!? Why the one's who own 90% of the commodities, Real Estate, Food Resources and Energy production in the world...

The Elite silly...they always come out smelling like a rose!
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Ok, lets start with real estate. The united states government owns Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. These two companies Guarantee 60% of home loans, Which means they hold a lien on 60% of the homes in the united states so if they decided to foreclose they would own all this land . Plus the government Owns 30% of all land in the united states in the form of public lands.
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Really? And who is buying up all of the Mortgage Backed Securities that Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac package at a rate of 40 Billion per month right now?!?!?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I dont know. you tell me?
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It doesent matter though because if the economy and the federal government falls apart they arent going to be worth squat!

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Ok, lets start with real estate. The united states government owns Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. These two companies Guarantee 60% of home loans, Which means they hold a lien on 60% of the homes in the united states so if they decided to foreclose they would own all this land . Plus the government Owns 30% of all land in the united states in the form of public lands.
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Really? And who is buying up all of the Mortgage Backed Securities that Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac package at a rate of 40 Billion per month right now?!?!?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I dont know. you tell me?
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It doesent matter though because if the economy and the federal government falls apart they arent going to be worth squat!
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The Fed prints $40B a month to buy the FNMA and FHLMC securities. The Fed is a private corporation independent of the US Government and owned by TPTB.
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I have been thinking long and hard about this. So please let me try out a theory.

It is trivially easy to get promiscuous sex, porn, alcohol, drugs. The social safety-net allows you all of these things and having children too!

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Really! The sex and (good)drugs seem very hard to get.
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Ok, lets start with real estate. The united states government owns Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. These two companies Guarantee 60% of home loans, Which means they hold a lien on 60% of the homes in the united states so if they decided to foreclose they would own all this land . Plus the government Owns 30% of all land in the united states in the form of public lands.
 Quoting: Keneh


Really? And who is buying up all of the Mortgage Backed Securities that Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac package at a rate of 40 Billion per month right now?!?!?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I dont know. you tell me?
 Quoting: Keneh


It doesent matter though because if the economy and the federal government falls apart they arent going to be worth squat!
 Quoting: Keneh


The Federal Reserve (A Private Banking Institution) is buying them...and while the Mortgage Backed Security might not be worth squat (hell they aren't even now), who do you suppose will foreclose on all those hundreds of thousands of Mortgages when TSHTF?!?!?

Why again, the Fed of course...so who own's the majority of the real estate again?!?!?
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