If the economy collapses who is going to benefit?

That's what i'm saying. the Rothchild's and TPTB are going to be the ones left holding the bag.

What bag?!?!? They get to buy up hard assets (commodities, real estate, energy reserves, food production) with fiat money, backed by nothing, that they fucking print...then, just to add insult, they charge the countries they print the money for (and the populations of those countries) interest on money they created out of thin air!!!

It's the best gig in the fuckin' world man...

The Fed as we know it and all of the debt that goes with it is going to be gone. Whatever new government replaces it is going to tell them to get fucked, and there isn't anything they are going to be able to do about it because we used most of there money to build the worlds strongest military.

Not my casino.

You mean a destroyed worthless currency, leading to a new Hitler?

Ok Texas right. When TSHTF Texas is probably going to be a sovereign nation again. it already is but that's for another thread. What's the state of Texas going to do when the fed is gone and the rothchilds try to foreclose?

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wallstreet, will simply short the markets, and legally conspire against the people, as they are today nothing will change except your grocery bills

What you're not understanding is this, they don't care. The paper money doesn't cost them a dime, and they've been using money they created out of nothing for what? A hundred years now to buy up the world...

So what if a few people still own a little bit...they got their 90% of the world for free man!

I agree with you. they got there 90% for free. and then they loaned it to the federal government. who is about to go bankrupt. I don't think there going to get it back in the very end.

I think we could very well have a copy in the white house now.

Texas is right. OP you are missing the concept here. The Fed owns the money. Only THEY have the right to print it. It is not backed by gold or silver as our constitution states it should be in article 10. Get out a dollar and look at the top. That is who it belongs to. It is a borrowed currency that we pay interest on. The FED is printing money through quantitative easing backed by nothing and using it to buy up all of the mortgage notes. When you can not pay your mortgage the FED has the right to take your property. The FED is owned by the prople that own the big banks and such...not the American people. It is a private corporation like McDonalds or Walmart.

Yea i get all that. but when tshtf the federal reserve bank is going to be the first to go. probably before the government falls apart. then what?

Sorry Mcdonalds and Walmart are public corporations. But, you got the idea.

To answer your other question.....Why do you think they want gun control so bad. There will be no SHTF if they get their way. This is a slow kill like boiling a frog. They are moving slowly. But, the economy is not cooperating. So they get together and increase the debt limit....raise taxes....and generally make it look like they are doing something....until we are disarmed.

The Fed'll just then offer a new & improved multi-national or IMF currency, and sell another lie to the people that it'll be the answer to their fears. Maybe it'll be part of a basket of currencies, or have some distant relation of commodities, or something else that desperate panicked people will be gullible enough to buy into. It'll probably be a regional currency to go with their new regional government that they are creating to implement after the coming economic collapse.

Gold and silver and/or backed by gold and silver. Like it was until 1971. The state I live in has made gold and silver legal tender.And the regional government you speak of will be the 50 states.

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This gun control thing, along with the economy, is probably what is going to make TSHTF

Yes, a legal tender of that state. It is a competing currency with the dollar. But, silver and gold are considered a commodity everywhere else. And, the FED uses ETFs like the COMEX to control the price of precious metals by dumping like a years supply of paper that represents leveraged precious metals onto the ETF market every now and then. Sometimes the price of silver will drop 10% in a matter of minutes. All markets are rigged by the US dollar which controls them like a bitch.

I sure hope not. Change can happen in somewhat peaceful ways...People are pretty aware of what is going on or we would not be having this conversation. Ron Paul started something that will never go away. He woke people up and led by example. The grass roots are taking hold and the liberty movement is growing.

I would hope so too but unfortunately most of the population is apathetic to what is going on . and I think this gun issue is going to hit a deep nerve with about half of the them.

I think the Feds are scared of PM's, so if they tie the new currency to that, I'm sure it'll be more symbolic than functional.

I think the Feds will try to squash the real money movement of the states, so I don't think that will last openly. Perhaps they'll live on as a black market currency, along with Bitcoin.

The regional currency will likely cover Canada and Mexico at least, as the Feds integrate the post-collapse nations together into a North American Union. I think that project is still full-steam ahead. They just need a big crisis (economic collapse) to be in a position to pull it off. (under defacto-Marshall law)

The individual states (colonies) created the federal government. they will still be around after its gone. some or all of them might unite again. maybe under the original constitution.

I'd like to add that the Federal Reserve Banks currency and loans are backed (literally) by the money you deposit in your banks when you endorse your checks to them. when you endorse your check it gives the Federal Reserve Bank the right to do whatever they want with your money as long as there holding on to it for you. So they use all our money to back there currency and loans!

The economy will collapse. That is what the Shadow World Government and their World Banks are orchestrating. You have to be pretty naive not to be aware of this. Just look around! Be aware of your surroundings! Research what has happened since 911. Wake up and open your mind!

The world banks are run by a few old men who have a very clear agenda they are carrying out gradually. By bringing down the U.S. economy they start a chain reaction from country to country all over the globe. We are all connected. They take our robust economy and with the help of corrupt politicians they remove trillions of dollars from our economy over night to off shore banks while their Wall Street cohorts steal billions and retire then flee to countries like Brazil, Singapore, and Malaysia while the president and congress look the other way. Not one of them is investigated or prosecuted and the corporate owned news media never reports on them or asks questions.

Laws are passed to make it too expensive to do business in the United States so companies race to ship jobs overseas!

To make a long story short, we Americans are the victims of a corrupt government. We lose everything and our very survival is dependent on our government. They want to take away our rights, our independence, wealth, health, morality, values, our freedom of speech, and they want to disarm all of us.

All this so they can control us even more, reduce the population by any means including pandemics, civil wars, catastrophes, etc., etc.

Why? To install a one world government where the old guys at the top control every resource and aspect of being on planet Earth. Humanity is expendable. The only thing that matters is the resources, power and control. And we are allowing them to do it.

In a mountain.

"dummy".

Obama was not elected, he was chosen. The news media just want you to believe he is on our side and what we wanted. Romney was never going to be president because Obama is doing such a great job furthering the agenda of the shadow government/world bank mafiosos.

911 was a shadow government sanctioned operation whether the Bush Administration knew or didn't know about it doesn't matter. 911 was the catalyst of furthering the bad guys agenda.

They are poisoning the drinking water and food supply. They are staging violent events to sway public opinion to support disarming all citizens. We are being Mind Controlled by many methods but most directly by TV.

We are victims. There will be a civil war in the near future, two or three years from now. Millions will die from starvation, poisoned drinking water, man-made pandemics and catastrophes. It is coming. Obama and the congress are wolves in sheeps clothing and their allegiance isn't to the Constitution or Bill of Rights, it's to these few old men who own the world banks and tell puppet Obama what to say and do.

Flee to New Zealand or Fiji. The alternative is death for most Americans. The armed revolutionaries will appear in five years but by then most of our population will be slaughtered.

I wouldn't mind seeing a new Articles of Confederation, devoid of it's original problems. It would allow the blue states to be in harmony, and allow the red states to be in harmony. And if someone cound't stand the laws of one, or the liberty of the other, they could simply move over. And the Articles could create treaties to eliminate their original shortcomings, such as insterstate tariffs, mutual military aid, etc. Alone, each state in the US has a GDP that is better than most of the other nations of the world, so if they could get their spending in check, I think they could do well. But they'd have a bankruptsy to deal with first, courtesy of the Feds and loose local fiscal policies.

But if TPTB have their way, individual states will lose all power and new, multi-territory regions will be formed that supercede the old states. They did in the EU, and they want to use a similar model in North America. State legislatures, governers, local city police departments, and local sherrifs could all be done away with as they seek to usurp the old traditional and entrenched governmental systems. It is just another form of divide and conquer tactics. And if they successfully regionalize the country, within a generation or two, the idea of individual state secession would be an unknown concept.

So true.

Meanwhile you'll fight over the definition of a military look-alike semi-auto rifle, ammo magazine size, and other slow-boil restrictions leading down the dark path toward disarmament, one degree at a time. And the gun-rights activists will be happy to compromise on an anti-gun bill that is somewhat less than the evil total bans that most fear. And many will be happy for the compromise. Until this summmer when 2013 Round 2 of anti-gun legislation takes off, etc. People have such short memories.