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I am at a stumbling block in my faith, and I need another Christian's perspective in order to help me understand this better, if you might indulge me. Most, if not all Christians believe that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life. This is not to say that he did not take our sins upon Himself, because He did, but those sins were not of His doing.

What perplexes me is the idea that Jesus Christ can be thought of as experiencing the human condition in all that it entails, without ever having sinned Himself. An essential part of the human experience is failure, that surrender to the temptation of sin in order to fully experience what it feels like to fall.

We as humans must experience this to know what guilt feels like, and to seek forgiveness for our wrongs. Otherwise, we would have no way to differentiate between what is right and what is wrong, and to learn from our life mistakes. This is how we grow to be better people, and to live closer to God's path for us.

Christians, what do you think?

hf
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From the very beginning, with Abel's sacrifice, God recognized the substitute of a pure / sinless lamb, as attonement for our sins. In the Levitical law, the Israelites had to offer a "perfect" lamb for the sacrifices; God would accept no other, it had to be perfect and unblemished. Follow that lamb. When John the Baptist saw Jesus approaching in the desert, what did he say? "BEHOLD !! THE LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD". God looked upon our Lord, who took our sins upon Himself, who was Himself sinless, for God would not have accepted a sinful / blemished sacrifice on our behalf, as He had shown in the Scriptures with prior sacrifices.
God had to look away from His own Son at that time, as He filled with our sins upon the cross, for His judgment of those sins were upon our Lord. This is the saddest of all things, that our Lord had to be separated from His Father during the time on the cross, for His Father turned away from Him, INSTEAD OF JUDGING US !!
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From the very beginning, with Abel's sacrifice, God recognized the substitute of a pure / sinless lamb, as attonement for our sins. In the Levitical law, the Israelites had to offer a "perfect" lamb for the sacrifices; God would accept no other, it had to be perfect and unblemished. Follow that lamb. When John the Baptist saw Jesus approaching in the desert, what did he say? "BEHOLD !! THE LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD". God looked upon our Lord, who took our sins upon Himself, who was Himself sinless, for God would not have accepted a sinful / blemished sacrifice on our behalf, as He had shown in the Scriptures with prior sacrifices.
God had to look away from His own Son at that time, as He filled with our sins upon the cross, for His judgment of those sins were upon our Lord. This is the saddest of all things, that our Lord had to be separated from His Father during the time on the cross, for His Father turned away from Him, INSTEAD OF JUDGING US !!
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Thank you for responding, and I truly appreciate your perspective. However, you did not answer how Jesus can relate to us if He never succumbed to temptation Himself? That experience of guilt is humbling, yet Jesus did not undergo any guilt, but He still claims a human experience.

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Jesus proved His sinless character when He was led into the desert and confronted with Satan, who tried to lure Him into the same sins as our fallen Adam and Eve....tempted him with the bread (Adam and Eve "saw that it was good for food",,tempted Him with the glories of the world (Adam and Eve were told that they "would be "made wise")and tempted Him to display his miraculous powers (Adam and Eve were told that they would be "become as gods").
These things, He resisted. So, He resisted those very things that we cannot resist the lure of in our fallen state, the things that gratify the flesh rather than our spirits..........
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Jesus proved His sinless character when He was led into the desert and confronted with Satan, who tried to lure Him into the same sins as our fallen Adam and Eve....tempted him with the bread (Adam and Eve "saw that it was good for food",,tempted Him with the glories of the world (Adam and Eve were told that they "would be "made wise")and tempted Him to display his miraculous powers (Adam and Eve were told that they would be "become as gods").
These things, He resisted. So, He resisted those very things that we cannot resist the lure of in our fallen state, the things that gratify the flesh rather than our spirits..........
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Again, this does not answer how Jesus can claim humanity without experiencing the emotion of guilt and the action of repentance.
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JESUS is the potter and we are the clay. HE molds us and shapes us, and when we are broken, HE repairs us. Instead of walking around broken, or trying to mend it ourselves, we need to take it all to JESUS, everything, no matter how small, give it all to HIM. HE tells us that HE can fix what is broken in our lives; we just have to trust that HE will do it. We have to stop looking at man to fix the problems of this world, because man is fallible and prone to depravity.Only JESUS can fix what is broken in US!!!...Psalm 27.14 Wait on the LORD, be of good courage, and HE shall strengthen
thine heart.....Proverbs 3.5-6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own
understanding. In all your ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your paths. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
There go I except for the grace of God.
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JESUS is the potter and we are the clay. HE molds us and shapes us, and when we are broken, HE repairs us. Instead of walking around broken, or trying to mend it ourselves, we need to take it all to JESUS, everything, no matter how small, give it all to HIM. HE tells us that HE can fix what is broken in our lives; we just have to trust that HE will do it. We have to stop looking at man to fix the problems of this world, because man is fallible and prone to depravity.Only JESUS can fix what is broken in US!!!...Psalm 27.14 Wait on the LORD, be of good courage, and HE shall strengthen
thine heart.....Proverbs 3.5-6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own
understanding. In all your ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your paths. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
 Quoting: McGuyver


I appreciate what you are saying and I agree with you, but my question still stands: How can Jesus claim humanity without experiencing the emotion of guilt, remorse, and experiencing repentance?
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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The Scriptures make it clear that Jesus was the Son of God. Having God for His Father, He could not sin...he said to the pharisees "which of you can accuse me of sin?" He WAS TEMPTED, but did not succumb to those temptations as the above post shows. So He did experience our own humanity in that respect. He experienced all of those things which beset us in our flesh bodies, for God the Father brought Him into the world as a man. But, as He constantly reminded all in the Scriptures, "I have come to do my Father's will, not my own...". He was obedient even to the death for our sins, which is why God did send Him to us. In the garden He asked "do I have to drink this cup?" three times. What so horrified Him then was the coming separation from His Father, not the pain of the death, for many die in that way, but having to undergo the judgment of God FOR US....and God answered and accepted, because He had been obedient, and He was sinless and unblemished....
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why does he have to succumb to sin in order to understand the sinner?
Matthew 16>18
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But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

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JESUS is the potter and we are the clay. HE molds us and shapes us, and when we are broken, HE repairs us. Instead of walking around broken, or trying to mend it ourselves, we need to take it all to JESUS, everything, no matter how small, give it all to HIM. HE tells us that HE can fix what is broken in our lives; we just have to trust that HE will do it. We have to stop looking at man to fix the problems of this world, because man is fallible and prone to depravity.Only JESUS can fix what is broken in US!!!...Psalm 27.14 Wait on the LORD, be of good courage, and HE shall strengthen
thine heart.....Proverbs 3.5-6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own
understanding. In all your ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your paths. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
 Quoting: McGuyver


I appreciate what you are saying and I agree with you, but my question still stands: How can Jesus claim humanity without experiencing the emotion of guilt, remorse, and experiencing repentance?
 Quoting: Rising Son


dont you understand?

Jesus WAS god, he already understood all of that and more, including understanding everything.
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bump for later read
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Your question will go no where, for Jesus did not feel repentance or guilt. This is just part of our belief and faith,,,,He was both man and God, come to us for our salvation.
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To understand..to know..wisdom..does not mean one has to experience in order to learn

in my opinion

wisdom is innate..

and more so in one that is Divine as I believe Christ is

WE learn through trial and error because we have not yet risen above the "human" coindition..

Not so Christ..imo
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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The Scriptures make it clear that Jesus was the Son of God. Having God for His Father, He could not sin...he said to the pharisees "which of you can accuse me of sin?" He WAS TEMPTED, but did not succumb to those temptations as the above post shows. So He did experience our own humanity in that respect. He experienced all of those things which beset us in our flesh bodies, for God the Father brought Him into the world as a man. But, as He constantly reminded all in the Scriptures, "I have come to do my Father's will, not my own...". He was obedient even to the death for our sins, which is why God did send Him to us. In the garden He asked "do I have to drink this cup?" three times. What so horrified Him then was the coming separation from His Father, not the pain of the death, for many die in that way, but having to undergo the judgment of God FOR US....and God answered and accepted, because He had been obedient, and He was sinless and unblemished....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11211450


How is Jesus capable of taking our sins away if He never experienced guilt? He took our sins, so He was not at fault, we were. How is it inconceivable that He did not sin before His ministry, before the age of 30? What did He do all of those years before He started teaching?
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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James 1:2-4 says, "Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything." In other words, rejoice in "trials of many kinds", because they test your faith, which causes you to grow closer to God.And the closer you draw to GOD,the easier it becomes to recognize and become victorious thru them. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
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It was man that sinned, not God. And it was man, then, that must be judged by the righteous God / Father. God "as man" (Christ Jesus), that part of Christ that was man, was then judged for our sins. God cannot sin, nor could that part of Christ that was God, sin. God accepted lambs and animal sacrifices for 4000 years, then came "the Lamb of God" as above, the true Lamb, the only Lamb, that could once for all be our substitutionary sacrifice.
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Just accept it, rejoice in it, Thank God for Jesus, and go your way....to much nit-picking on this subject that can go nowhere. Christ did not sin. periodhf
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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:
Teach me, and I will hold my tongue: and cause me to understand wherein I have erred. I will say unto God, Do not condemn me; shew me wherefore thou contendest with me.
If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.
If I be wicked, woe unto me; and if I be righteous, yet will I not lift up my head. I am full of confusion; therefore see thou mine affliction. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
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He was the beast from the manger
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It was man that sinned, not God. And it was man, then, that must be judged by the righteous God / Father. God "as man" (Christ Jesus), that part of Christ that was man, was then judged for our sins. God cannot sin, nor could that part of Christ that was God, sin. God accepted lambs and animal sacrifices for 4000 years, then came "the Lamb of God" as above, the true Lamb, the only Lamb, that could once for all be our substitutionary sacrifice.
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What was the purpose of Jesus' baptism by John the Baptist? Was it just for show, or did Jesus do so with the understanding that He must lead by example?
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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When we are transparent with one another,we become a source of strenght and hope for each other.Through real relationships,we can encourage and challenge others to be all that they are meant to be.In a futile attempt to hide our past,we deprive others our healing gift.If we conceal our wounds out of fear and shame,it can neither be illuminated nor become a light for others.We need people in our lives with whom we can be as open as possible.To have real conversations with people may seem like such a simple,obvious suggestion,but it involves courage and risk.In order to follow JESUS,one must first and foremost be honest with themselves and others.The worst of all deceptions is self deception.It is not about selfish pursuits.It demands we live the life HE has ordained for us.In order for us to carry this out,we must realize the life changing power of knowing JESUS and HIS WAYS. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
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Sinless = doing the will of God, the Source of Holiness.
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Cast all your anxiety on him because HE cares for you. Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your fellow believers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. And the GOD of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in CHRIST, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
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“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
- Matthew 19:17

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
- Mark 10:18

I will not claim to speak about him and his life...but those are a couple of verses in his own words.
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I am at a stumbling block in my faith, and I need another Christian's perspective in order to help me understand this better, if you might indulge me. Most, if not all Christians believe that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life. This is not to say that he did not take our sins upon Himself, because He did, but those sins were not of His doing.

What perplexes me is the idea that Jesus Christ can be thought of as experiencing the human condition in all that it entails, without ever having sinned Himself. An essential part of the human experience is failure, that surrender to the temptation of sin in order to fully experience what it feels like to fall.

We as humans must experience this to know what guilt feels like, and to seek forgiveness for our wrongs. Otherwise, we would have no way to differentiate between what is right and what is wrong, and to learn from our life mistakes. This is how we grow to be better people, and to live closer to God's path for us.

Christians, what do you think?

hf
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Jesus was both human and divine, he had the human experience of what is was like to experience loss, pain hunger sorrow but he had the divinity to be perfect like our Father in Heaven...


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Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.James 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 2 Timothy 2:14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
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1John 5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
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Romans 8:2-8 For the law of the Spirit of life in CHRIST JESUS has set you free from the law of sin and of death.For GOD has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending HIS own SON in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin, HE condemned sin in the flesh, so that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.For this reason the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to GOD; it does not submit to GOD'S law—indeed it cannot,and those who are in the flesh cannot please GOD. 1 Peter 2:21 For to this you have been called, because CHRIST also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. Ephesians 5:1-2 Therefore be imitators of GOD, as beloved children. And walk in love, as CHRIST loved us and gave HIMSELF up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to GOD. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
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JESUS is the potter and we are the clay. HE molds us and shapes us, and when we are broken, HE repairs us. Instead of walking around broken, or trying to mend it ourselves, we need to take it all to JESUS, everything, no matter how small, give it all to HIM. HE tells us that HE can fix what is broken in our lives; we just have to trust that HE will do it. We have to stop looking at man to fix the problems of this world, because man is fallible and prone to depravity.Only JESUS can fix what is broken in US!!!...Psalm 27.14 Wait on the LORD, be of good courage, and HE shall strengthen
thine heart.....Proverbs 3.5-6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own
understanding. In all your ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your paths. [link to www.youtube.com] hf
 Quoting: McGuyver


I appreciate what you are saying and I agree with you, but my question still stands: How can Jesus claim humanity without experiencing the emotion of guilt, remorse, and experiencing repentance?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Read about Him, kneeling in Getseemane, praying to His Father, feeling anxiety of death crawling up on Him. This one, was rejected.. The story of Jesus Christ, and all those revelations about His walk here, makes me both saddened, but truly touched about how He is able to share such love.

Remember, read scripture in spirit, not by head.

Also, since He had no wrongdoings, only doing His Fathers will, how could He feel guilt? That would only falsen things. He indeed shared our feelings, He was deeply concerned about the death of John. He was TRULY and IS worthy as King.
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Great question OP. I think you might find inspiration in the Book of Hebrews, which I think is the best description we have of Christ acting as our mediator. As you suggest a mediator like a priest should have experienced the condition for those they are mediating for.

But, Christ was God in the flesh, the Word manifested so it was literally impossible for Him to sin, although as others pointed out He was tempted.

This passage is sort of related to your question:

Heb 5:8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.

It tells us He did suffer, we suffer via the consequences of our sinful actions. That is the law of sowing and reaping, God allows us to reap from our sins so that we might understand the danger of sinning, to grow as you suggest. I think (IMO) that Christ suffered far more than we ever do by just witnessing the damage of sin in people's lives.

Imagine being God and being able to solve any problem instantly, but for some reason being constrained to solve those problems while witnessing the pain the sin brings. I think Christ suffered unimaginably by just witnessing the pain sin brought to those He ministered to.
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What a great question. I understand your point. Jesus didn’t sin, but so what…he was God! let’s take a look at this a little more deeply.

To atone for sin (rebellion of the Mosaic covenant) the High priest would have to enter into the Holy of Holies one time a year on the Day of Atonement, each year. The High priest would have to first be cleansed through a sacrifice for himself.

Jesus was free from sin, even though the sins of the world were placed on him, just as the animal that was sacrificed was not guilty of the human sins, but still took the punishment.

Jesus did not save us through the sinless life he lived, but he qualified to become the sacrifice that saved us because of his sinless life, entering into the true holy of holies forever seated at the right hand of God making intercession for His children,

The parable of the wicked farmers shows that God sent prophets to the Jews to try and accomplish his Royal plan of salvation; they rejected God’s truth and His prophets. So God sent Jesus.

It was prophesied that God would have to step in, please read:

Isaiah 63:3-6
I have trodden the winepress alone;
from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments,
and I stained all my clothing.
It was for me the day of vengeance;
the year for me to redeem had come.
I looked, but there was no one to help,
I was appalled that no one gave support;
so my own arm achieved salvation for me,
and my own wrath sustained me.
I trampled the nations in my anger;
in my wrath I made them drunk
and poured their blood on the ground.”

So God became man, a manGod, or a Godman! Jesus took on a created body, just like us, but his spirit remained ETERNAL and God. That which could change did, for example:

Perception, knowledge, understanding, and physical size


Luke 2:52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

We as humans can understand what we see, yet if we close our eyes and plug our ears our nature has not changed! Yet our perception has, so Christ, for a moment, closed his eyes, and plugged his ears, and took on many of the limitations of the flesh such as learning and growing.
Yet, the things that could not be changed remained in the Godman, um, the ManGod.

God is perfect, eternally, for example God is truth, God is Love, God is Good. We CAN love, can be good, can know truth, but human nature has proven that we are not those things. As we were created perfect, without sin, we still can deviate from perfection because we are created beings.

God is the uncreated Being and does not change. So,

God is Life- His spirit cannot Die

God is truth- He cannot lie or Deceive

God is love- Even though Jesus’ flesh was week, his spirit
loved the father and us enough to resist sin!

God is Power-raised from the dead into Glory

Yet God was Human

He knew betrayal-his own family and town tried to kill him

Pain- being beaten, and dying on the cross

Hunger- body being eaten away by fasting for 40 days

Sadness, Jews rejecting him

So just because God’s spirit, by its eternal nature, was strong enough to overcome sin that does not mean the act of being a sinless human is any less “satisfactory” in regards to the sacrificial, atoning sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross.

Sorry for the long post, and I hope this kinda answered your Q.

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