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Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house

 
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Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Tell me again why she is demanding more!!!!!

The Aboriginal leaders are the Aboriginal people's worst enemy... that is something they need to clean up before they ask for more... If funds were properly devided, as the funds should be... there would be no problem with housing or schools or reserve roads.

This is the first time Iíve ever seen a reporter actually report the truth about an aboriginal issue. Too bad there arenít more REAL REPORTERS.

Here's a part of what Sun News reported yesterday.

SNIP-
Spence is a master media manipulator; she knew better than to do her dieting stunt up in Attawapiskat, where it hit -33 C this week, and was accessible only by airplane. She flew to Ottawa and pitched a teepee for the benefit of the bored Parliamentary Press Gallery. She also stayed in a hotel, but that was never shown on camera ó it contradicted the narrative of a chief willing to make every sacrifice for her people.-SNIP

SNIP-
Do the math: The Attawapiskat band received $34 million in 2011. And the local diamond mine spent $51 million in town. Thatís $85 million, for 300 families. Thatís $280,000 per family. Tax free. So how come so many in Attawapiskat live in leaky, cold shacks? Not the chief of course; she has a sturdy, well-heated house and drives an Escalade. Her boyfriend is the band manager ó his contract is for $850 a day, plus expenses. Why does the band have $8.9 million in the stock market, in shares like Google and Pepsi and Exxon, but not enough money to fix some leaks? Why are there 21 politicians on the payroll of a tiny town? Why did Spence once bill the town $8,000 a month to manage the daycare?

Those are questions reporters might ask white politicians. But lucky for Spence, sheís Indian, so they donít.


edit: Sorry guys... I forgot to add the link... My apologies

Read the whole story here:
[link to ezralevant.com]

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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Am I the only one that is surprised to see a report like this coming from a news paper journalist?
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Link? Pretty fucked up if true.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Link? Pretty fucked up if true.
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Well... here is even more for you to see:

CBC News made headlines on Monday by publicizing a scathing audit report on Attawapiskat, the impoverished northern Ontario Cree community led by hunger-striking chief Theresa Spence.

Yet youíll find an even more searing indictment of Attawapiskatís leadership in a televised report from the CBCís Adrienne Arsenault. That segment is a year old, but itís getting a new life on the internet thanks to a Twitter-based resurrection campaign led by blogger Richard Klagsbrun.

[link to fullcomment.nationalpost.com]
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Sorry about that.. I've posted the link on the original post.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
It was on the CBC also. They need to do a forensic audit. They don't even know themselves where all the money went. Theres no books and records. Wrote checks but on what.

The same thing happened here in the Okanogan. Its the cheifs and managers and council members that get the best land and get paided very well to handle the money given to them by us the Canadian taxpayers.

I would rather the money be spent here in Canada on Canadians not go oversea's but there has to be somw accountablity. I am accountable to the banks and for my mortgage. I ahev to provide reciepts for income tax. Tehy have and should have to do the same thing too.

As a people in a nation over their they need to hold there chiefs and council accountable also. Regular meetings and open books and votes on where the money is spent.

No different for any other corporation so it shall be for them.
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It was on the CBC also. They need to do a forensic audit. They don't even know themselves where all the money went. Theres no books and records. Wrote checks but on what.

The same thing happened here in the Okanogan. Its the cheifs and managers and council members that get the best land and get paided very well to handle the money given to them by us the Canadian taxpayers.

I would rather the money be spent here in Canada on Canadians not go oversea's but there has to be somw accountablity. I am accountable to the banks and for my mortgage. I ahev to provide reciepts for income tax. Tehy have and should have to do the same thing too.

As a people in a nation over their they need to hold there chiefs and council accountable also. Regular meetings and open books and votes on where the money is spent.

No different for any other corporation so it shall be for them.
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But that is deffinately not happening! I know of 4 other reserves for sure that are in similar situations as far as, the leaders have money, furs, vacations, cars, snowmobiles, boats and two houses, but the actual reserve population has nothing.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Trouble is that as a Canadian if I try to tell others those facts I called a biggot. How's that for mass brainwashing?

Sadly in the "idle No More" campaign the cause is just and every Canadian should be standing up against Harper selling out Canda from beneath us.

Thanks to Chief Spence the focus has become the Natives and their poverty. Canadians have been made to feel so guilty that you can.'t even talk to most of them.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Trouble is that as a Canadian if I try to tell others those facts I called a biggot. How's that for mass brainwashing?

Sadly in the "idle No More" campaign the cause is just and every Canadian should be standing up against Harper selling out Canda from beneath us.

Thanks to Chief Spence the focus has become the Natives and their poverty. Canadians have been made to feel so guilty that you can.'t even talk to most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18952043


That is why it's so important to get news like this out there... post it where ever you can to let people know.

Unfortunately, this type of reserve is the norm, not an abnormality.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
We are aware of many aboriginal people who have a house on the reserve and a house in the city... they collect from both ends. Many journalists are aware of this fact, but you never see that in a newspaper or hear about it on the news.

That is why I was so surprised to see actual journalism about aboriginals posted in a news paper and on CBC!

Maybe more people will be educated.
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There's a lot of support in my tribe but I doubt ppl even know what they're supporting.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
One new house thats not retarded eh costs nothing...a nice food supllie also costs nothing... If its infinite then what are you doing wrong in space.
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I already had full hd tech before here i think...
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Trouble is that as a Canadian if I try to tell others those facts I called a biggot. How's that for mass brainwashing?

Sadly in the "idle No More" campaign the cause is just and every Canadian should be standing up against Harper selling out Canda from beneath us.

Thanks to Chief Spence the focus has become the Natives and their poverty. Canadians have been made to feel so guilty that you can.'t even talk to most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18952043


Why don't they stand up against their leaders and demand accountability?
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What are you trying to say? Tribal leaders speak with forked tongue?
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I'm glad to see accurate reports hitting the wires- it's about time.

Greed and corruption make no distinctions.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Trouble is that as a Canadian if I try to tell others those facts I called a biggot. How's that for mass brainwashing?

Sadly in the "idle No More" campaign the cause is just and every Canadian should be standing up against Harper selling out Canda from beneath us.

Thanks to Chief Spence the focus has become the Natives and their poverty. Canadians have been made to feel so guilty that you can.'t even talk to most of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18952043


Why don't they stand up against their leaders and demand accountability?
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I think many of the average community members are afraid to stand up and demand accountability.. From people we know, we hear that many reserves are run very tyrannically, and anyone that dares speak out, will get their "come-upins" so to speak. Sad, but true.

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when i first moved to northern ontario from southern ontario i had the fullest respect for any native cause i was raised to believe we gave them a raw deal. After a couple of years living here, my mind changed. It is true that they get a lot for free, they get to try business ventures at no costs, free education, free, health, eyeglasses dental they get it all. But I blame our government for doing this to them. They have turned many into lazy blobs, and got them addicted to oxy. If they are raised like us and given the same ops as we have there is quite a difference in them, however they leave them stuck up in the bush in tiny towns run by untrained and smart but not too smart leaders. Most of the communities around Spenc do not even have hydro, a chocalate bar can cost 4.00 and then you have the parents who have no knowledge how to raise there children left over from the time they were taken from their parents and raised in residential schools. The children no nothing, are not taught nothing, and have no art of conversing. The government just like to send them money but when something breaks it stays that way. There houses grow mold, they have no proper drinking water. My step grandfather who was a native said over 50 years ago if a native wants to make something of themselves they have to get off the reserve. This holds true for them up here. LIKE I SAID I BUT THE BLAME ON THE GOVERNMENT. After all people are only human.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Also just meant to say that the chiefs have only learned to play the game the way our local provincial and federal governments have learnt years prior.
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There are so many issues on reserves, there are many that feel they have no options, and that drives alcoholism which in turn drives gas sniffing by young children. Weíve heard from people who have witnessed young mothers, putting a gas dipped cloth in the cradle with babies. Those children donít stand a chance in life given the fact that gas kills brain cells.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
when i first moved to northern ontario from southern ontario i had the fullest respect for any native cause i was raised to believe we gave them a raw deal. After a couple of years living here, my mind changed. It is true that they get a lot for free, they get to try business ventures at no costs, free education, free, health, eyeglasses dental they get it all. But I blame our government for doing this to them. They have turned many into lazy blobs, and got them addicted to oxy. If they are raised like us and given the same ops as we have there is quite a difference in them, however they leave them stuck up in the bush in tiny towns run by untrained and smart but not too smart leaders. Most of the communities around Spenc do not even have hydro, a chocalate bar can cost 4.00 and then you have the parents who have no knowledge how to raise there children left over from the time they were taken from their parents and raised in residential schools. The children no nothing, are not taught nothing, and have no art of conversing. The government just like to send them money but when something breaks it stays that way. There houses grow mold, they have no proper drinking water. My step grandfather who was a native said over 50 years ago if a native wants to make something of themselves they have to get off the reserve. This holds true for them up here. LIKE I SAID I BUT THE BLAME ON THE GOVERNMENT. After all people are only human.
 Quoting: canadian oldster


Also just meant to say that the chiefs have only learned to play the game the way our local provincial and federal governments have learnt years prior.
 Quoting: canadian oldster


I agree 100% with you. I've seen the same. I also agree with your grandfather who says the only way the natives will make anything of themselves is to get off those reserves. They have the freedom to do so now, but they are doomed from the get go... they don't go to school on a regular basis, and cannot be failed, so there are many illiterate young people... where does an illiterate get work? They believe what they hear the fear mongers saying and cannot read to find out the truth... this really is a government generated problem that gets bigger by the day. And yes, they have learned well from the country's governments.

They need to change things on reserves themselves.. it's the only way change will work for them.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Tell me again why she is demanding more!!!!!

The Aboriginal leaders are the Aboriginal people's worst enemy... that is something they need to clean up before they ask for more... If funds were properly devided, as the funds should be... there would be no problem with housing or schools or reserve roads.

This is the first time Iíve ever seen a reporter actually report the truth about an aboriginal issue. Too bad there arenít more REAL REPORTERS.

Here's a part of what Sun News reported yesterday.

SNIP-
Spence is a master media manipulator; she knew better than to do her dieting stunt up in Attawapiskat, where it hit -33 C this week, and was accessible only by airplane. She flew to Ottawa and pitched a teepee for the benefit of the bored Parliamentary Press Gallery. She also stayed in a hotel, but that was never shown on camera ó it contradicted the narrative of a chief willing to make every sacrifice for her people.-SNIP

SNIP-
Do the math: The Attawapiskat band received $34 million in 2011. And the local diamond mine spent $51 million in town. Thatís $85 million, for 300 families. Thatís $280,000 per family. Tax free. So how come so many in Attawapiskat live in leaky, cold shacks? Not the chief of course; she has a sturdy, well-heated house and drives an Escalade. Her boyfriend is the band manager ó his contract is for $850 a day, plus expenses. Why does the band have $8.9 million in the stock market, in shares like Google and Pepsi and Exxon, but not enough money to fix some leaks? Why are there 21 politicians on the payroll of a tiny town? Why did Spence once bill the town $8,000 a month to manage the daycare?

Those are questions reporters might ask white politicians. But lucky for Spence, sheís Indian, so they donít.


edit: Sorry guys... I forgot to add the link... My apologies

Read the whole story here:
[link to ezralevant.com]
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Just wait until they get government (taxpayer) loot, to set up tax-free casinos, and tobacco franchises!

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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
I doubt that bitch is even native.her lover who is white trash
gets paid $850.00 a day. The reporter asked him if that was too
much and he said something like it was appropriate.
most of the money that went out, didn't even have papers as to
wheree and why the cash was spent.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
Trouble is that as a Canadian if I try to tell others those facts I called a biggot. How's that for mass brainwashing?

Sadly in the "idle No More" campaign the cause is just and every Canadian should be standing up against Harper selling out Canda from beneath us.

Thanks to Chief Spence the focus has become the Natives and their poverty. Canadians have been made to feel so guilty that you can.'t even talk to most of them.
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Why don't they stand up against their leaders and demand accountability?
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
And the big announcement today the Metis around 600000 thousand got legal rights today to be treated as natives from a reserve. Hell makes me want to be one, they will have all the freebies now to. FRIG our government is so stupid, and also crooked. Like I said MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO.
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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
I doubt that bitch is even native.her lover who is white trash
gets paid $850.00 a day. The reporter asked him if that was too
much and he said something like it was appropriate.
most of the money that went out, didn't even have papers as to
wheree and why the cash was spent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1490898


About 18 years ago, I was at a meeting where an native member of a reserve council said he wouldn't even get out of bed for $350.00.. so reading that he got paid so much didn't surprise me. It disgusts me, but it doesn't surprise me.
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I too find the math sketchy, I want to see a forensic audit of the money trail before any judgements are made.
I read the audit report that was linked from the CBC, it was a comprehensive audit that was presented, not forensic.

I want to know if a hammer that went to the reserve cost $20 or $250 each. What contractors were hired. What were they paid. How many times was the same bridge built.

All this loosey goosey accounting on the part of the band as well as the government dept responsible for keeping tabs on the spending does not make sense.

I as a Canadian want to know exactly were all the money went.

If the band spent it all, wtf, cut them off, they have spent their inheritance, throw those that stole the money in jail.
Make an example of them.

Whichever way it went down, we the people should demand and expect a forensic audit of the money trail.

Cuz, something smells rotten in the Dominion of Canada.

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There's a lot of support in my tribe but I doubt ppl even know what they're supporting.
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Too bad they don't get the real goods. But good for you for being on top of it. Do you share that knowledge with others? or would that end up causing you grief?
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Sorry by the way, forgot to say good thread M2CW.
I got caught up in the rant and failed to mention thanks for posting.

This topic kinda makes my blood boil.
Guess you could tell by the rant.

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Re: Starvation Strike, my foot!!! Indian Chief Spenceís reserve got $85 MILLION in 2011 for 1500 people, for 300 houses thatís $280,000.00 per house
I too find the math sketchy, I want to see a forensic audit of the money trail before any judgements are made.
I read the audit report that was linked from the CBC, it was a comprehensive audit that was presented, not forensic.

I want to know if a hammer that went to the reserve cost $20 or $250 each. What contractors were hired. What were they paid. How many times was the same bridge built.

All this loosey goosey accounting on the part of the band as well as the government dept responsible for keeping tabs on the spending does not make sense.

I as a Canadian want to know exactly were all the money went.

If the band spent it all, wtf, cut them off, they have spent their inheritance, throw those that stole the money in jail.
Make an example of them.

Whichever way it went down, we the people should demand and expect a forensic audit of the money trail.

Cuz, something smells rotten in the Dominion of Canada.

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I couldn't agree more Madame X.
The trouble is, the Department of Aboriginal Affairs, has hidden their accounting from Canadians for years... there is probably a story there as well... and then of course when the bands were asked to produce their books about 10 or 15 years ago, there was a rash of "Band Office Fires" that conveniently burned any accounting books they may, or may not have had. There is duplicity on all sides of this story and the average reserve citizen bears the brunt of it along with the Canadian tax payers.

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