The next step in gun control, they are coming after our hollow points with international laws. (update page 3 half way down)

This thread is to inform people on the next step in gun control that will be pushed on the U.S. in the next year or two. Now if we all stick together and make our voices heard we can very well avoid this next step.



They will be coming after our hollow points; this is why the great stock up by the government. They are purchasing stockpiles before the manufacturing is slowed to a near stop and they become much more expensive to produce.

Now the United States never signed The Hague accord in 1899 that banned the use of expanding ammunition in warfare but we do follow the guidelines regardless. The majority of countries consider the Hague Accords to ban the use of expanding ammunition for ALL uses including law enforcement.


Now the Rome statue of the international criminal court is in charge of enforcing the Hague accord, the Obama administration has re-established a working relationship with the court! In 2010 the Rome statue rewrote the rules of the Hague accords; it was illegal to use expanding bullets in international conflicts only! But in 2010 they made it illegal to use expanding ammunition in “conflicts” NOT of an international character!

Snip;The Conference also adopted a resolution by which it amended article 8 of the Rome Statute to bring under the jurisdiction of the Court the war crime of employing certain poisonous weapons and expanding bullets, asphyxiating or poisonous gases, and all analogous liquids, materials and devices, when committed in armed conflicts not of an international character


[link to www.kampala.icc-cpi.info]

The UN definition for conflict is, well conflicting. We should want nothing to do with it. They can label just about any internal disagreement a conflict with a short resolution if they reasonably believe it may lead to domestic disturbances in the future.





Now here it is in the arms trade treaty, making it illegal to produce expanding ammunition domestically under the auspice that the ammunition may be illegally used in “conflicts”.




A/62/278 (Part II)

12. The following global multilateral legally binding instruments and political
commitments should be taken into account in the discussions related to the structure
and content of a possible legally binding instrument related to the trade in
conventional arms, in small arms and light weapons and in ammunition for small
arms and light weapons:
• The Charter of the United Nations;
• Relevant resolutions adopted by the United Nations Security Council and by
the United Nations General Assembly on the issue;
• The Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain
Conventional Weapons which May be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or
to Have Indiscriminate Effects, as well as its associated Protocols;
• The Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and
Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction;
• The Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms,
their Parts and Components and Ammunition, supplementing the United
Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime;
• The United Nations Register of Conventional Arms;
• The 1996 United Nations Disarmament Commission Guidelines for
International Arms Transfers;
• The Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in
Small Arms and Light Weapons in All its Aspects;
• The International Instrument to Enable States to Identify and Trace, in a
Timely and Reliable Manner, Illicit Small Arms and Light Weapons.


26. Another fundamental aspect is the need to ensure universalization of the
instrument, in particular as regards participation by all significant arms producers
and exporters, in order to avoid the possibility that the instrument limit itself to
shifting global patterns of the trade in conventional arms, in small arms and light
weapons and in ammunition for small arms and light weapons in favour of States
that are not subject to its provisions. This issue must thus be taken into account in
the discussions on the mechanism for the international entry into force of the
instrument. In parallel, ways to encourage prompt universalization of the instrument
should also be considered.

Fixed the link, part II [link to www.un.org]

Now most likely we will not ratify the ATT, but that does not mean we will not attempt to comply with these rules. In fact we know the administration is fully trying to comply with the ATT without signing it.

I have spent the last 10 hours reading treaties, well over 5000 pages now. They are very close to binding the U.S. in to this ammunition production ban. I suspect we will still be able to get hunting rounds just like in the UK, but they are going to attempt to execute severe laws including international laws to stop you from using expanding ammunition.

I remember when they tried to take our hollow points back in 92-93 and 94. It was a hard fight and it was very close. If they succeed in doing this we will have no recourse to repeal this ban. The real goal is to put it out side of U.S. courts hands.
We have a shot to stop this “no pun intended” but we must be vigilant.



Good luck.

Last Edited by Chrit on 01/03/2015 01:43 AM