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As you might expect, I get a LOT of email about gun control in the wake of the shooting…and about the mysteries involving things like the toxicology report on the shooter which should be known by now.

But of all the email so far, this fine example of contrary-wise thinking from reader John H up in Ohio really brings up some interesting questions…

“Never take your eyes off of the magician’s hands………..

He could have stopped no background check gun shows with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped online gun purchases and ammo purchases with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped the massive tidal wave of post tragedy gun purchases with an Executive Order…..but he has not. Instead….he makes comments about how the gun culture must change.. and change “soon”…

He establishes a committee, with Joe Biden in charge (seriously), and tells everyone that he will give them A MONTH to come up with “actionable ideas”….

But what has he really done?

He has fabricated a totally illusory “market shortage” by declaring that there will be some date “very soon” where there will be “dramatic changes” to the “despicable gun culture” in America.

Can you say “Oh my God…we have to go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy a buy a box of Twinkies because they won’t make them anymore…EVER!!!!”

I don’t even like Twinkies anymore but you bet you’re tail I beat it down to the local Hostess store to buy a few boxes “just in case” (they were all sold out….I guess all of that supply/demand BS was actually on target). What the heck was I thinking?

Anyway…..the point is….our fearless leader purposely created a situation which has guaranteed that the maximum number of weapons and the maximum amount of ammunition is now distributed out amongst the citizenry. Now, anyone from the most sophisticated collector down to the local village idiot now has, supposing they wanted one (or fifteen) in the first place, a gun. Same for ammo…want 50 rounds? You had the chance to get it. Wanted 20,000 rounds? Ditto. The window is still open, too.

The government, for some reason that they have yet to share with us, wants the citizens of this country to be armed to the teeth. The government could not have generated this type of private citizen weapon and ammo stockpiling even if they said “the Russians AND the Chinese will both attack us on January 30, 2013”.

Instead….it was “I will implement whatever gun control plan Joe Biden comes up with by the end of January”….

I am not sure we should be worried about the government trying to take away our guns in the near future. Perhaps, to the contrary, we should be wondering why they so effectively “led” us into becoming the most highly armed and stockpiled citizenry in history….. Kinda makes you think….what’s really coming our way?? “

Let me toss one out there: Suppose for a moment that the some foreign country which buys our debt had said “In order for us to buy up significant amounts of your country – and occupy it with our people – we need you (the United States) to disarm your people?” Suppose, for a moment, that this was timed to the point where GDP is overtaken by National Debt (in other words, right about Now).

Wouldn’t it be curious if the (unnamed foreign country) tried to – in effect – foreclose on America for blowing up our monetary system (debasing it by allowing money to be created effectively out of thin air) and then foisting it off on country X which would be properly pissed about such events?

But given that America’s government offices are all locked up tighe and well-defended with all those government ammo buys, and given that the American public has cleaned out almost every gunshop in the country…..well, it’s like a well-executed poison pill defense, isn’t it?

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I agree , I think their is more to all of this than we know and probably never will know. It also fits right in with my main belief about politicians : They will lie to you even when it would be just as advantageous to tell the truth !!!!
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I want to believe in the better of our leadership.

We were such a great nation. Successful, wealthy, we had a Christian foundation that ensured our future generations would also keep the torch alive.

How far we have fallen.


I will say this; government is, and had been since 1978, spending like there is no tomorrow. Underground cities and vast underground networks spider all throughout the US, trillions spent behind the backs of tax payers.

This is going on in many countries. Silently.

Only in America though, does our government spend to protect it's self, while leaving it's citizens blind, def, and increasingly unsheltered.

There doesn't seem to be any honor, or hope for the future of the American people.
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<<<Not my words, just passing it along>>>

As you might expect, I get a LOT of email about gun control in the wake of the shooting…and about the mysteries involving things like the toxicology report on the shooter which should be known by now.

But of all the email so far, this fine example of contrary-wise thinking from reader John H up in Ohio really brings up some interesting questions…

“Never take your eyes off of the magician’s hands………..

He could have stopped no background check gun shows with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped online gun purchases and ammo purchases with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped the massive tidal wave of post tragedy gun purchases with an Executive Order…..but he has not. Instead….he makes comments about how the gun culture must change.. and change “soon”…

He establishes a committee, with Joe Biden in charge (seriously), and tells everyone that he will give them A MONTH to come up with “actionable ideas”….

But what has he really done?

He has fabricated a totally illusory “market shortage” by declaring that there will be some date “very soon” where there will be “dramatic changes” to the “despicable gun culture” in America.

Can you say “Oh my God…we have to go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy a buy a box of Twinkies because they won’t make them anymore…EVER!!!!”

I don’t even like Twinkies anymore but you bet you’re tail I beat it down to the local Hostess store to buy a few boxes “just in case” (they were all sold out….I guess all of that supply/demand BS was actually on target). What the heck was I thinking?

Anyway…..the point is….our fearless leader purposely created a situation which has guaranteed that the maximum number of weapons and the maximum amount of ammunition is now distributed out amongst the citizenry. Now, anyone from the most sophisticated collector down to the local village idiot now has, supposing they wanted one (or fifteen) in the first place, a gun. Same for ammo…want 50 rounds? You had the chance to get it. Wanted 20,000 rounds? Ditto. The window is still open, too.

The government, for some reason that they have yet to share with us, wants the citizens of this country to be armed to the teeth. The government could not have generated this type of private citizen weapon and ammo stockpiling even if they said “the Russians AND the Chinese will both attack us on January 30, 2013”.

Instead….it was “I will implement whatever gun control plan Joe Biden comes up with by the end of January”….

I am not sure we should be worried about the government trying to take away our guns in the near future. Perhaps, to the contrary, we should be wondering why they so effectively “led” us into becoming the most highly armed and stockpiled citizenry in history….. Kinda makes you think….what’s really coming our way?? “

Let me toss one out there: Suppose for a moment that the some foreign country which buys our debt had said “In order for us to buy up significant amounts of your country – and occupy it with our people – we need you (the United States) to disarm your people?” Suppose, for a moment, that this was timed to the point where GDP is overtaken by National Debt (in other words, right about Now).

Wouldn’t it be curious if the (unnamed foreign country) tried to – in effect – foreclose on America for blowing up our monetary system (debasing it by allowing money to be created effectively out of thin air) and then foisting it off on country X which would be properly pissed about such events?

But given that America’s government offices are all locked up tighe and well-defended with all those government ammo buys, and given that the American public has cleaned out almost every gunshop in the country…..well, it’s like a well-executed poison pill defense, isn’t it?

LINK: [link to www.urbansurvival.com]
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Or how about this scenario...

The government wants to arm the citizens as much as possible right now so that when TSHTF in the near future due to the gun law changes, soon to be protests, the soon to arrive attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of the press & right to assemble as well as the screwed up economy that is coming to an end, and we fight back against the system we actually stand a chance and put up a good fight (yes they actually want us to put up a good fight vs our own troops/police... burn the candle at both ends so to speak... the reason for this scenario would be that they want UN involvement, and what better way to get it then when the (planned) chaos starts, for the US government to be evenly matched by its own citizens (and eventually needing international assistance), therefor requiring foreign troops involvement via UN peacekeepers to assist in restoring order throughout the fragmented nation. All this would then be done under the international guise of protecting international interests, and during this time the constitution would become null and void as we shirt into international law via the UN Charter of Rights (which states that all rights can be taken away from you the instant you are deemed an enemy combatant which is basically anyone that doesn't 100% follow UN law).

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Or how about this scenario...

The government wants to arm the citizens as much as possible right now so that when TSHTF in the near future due to the gun law changes, soon to be protests, the soon to arrive attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of the press & right to assemble as well as the screwed up economy that is coming to an end, and we fight back against the system we actually stand a chance and put up a good fight (yes they actually want us to put up a good fight vs our own troops/police... burn the candle at both ends so to speak...)... the reason for this scenario would be that they want UN involvement, and what better way to get it then when the (planned) chaos starts, for the US government to be evenly matched by its own citizens (and eventually needing international assistance), therefor requiring foreign troops involvement via UN peacekeepers to assist in restoring order throughout the fragmented nation. All this would then be done under the international guise of protecting international interests, and during this time the constitution would become null and void as we shirt into international law via the UN Charter of Rights (which states that all rights can be taken away from you the instant you are deemed an enemy combatant which is basically anyone that doesn't 100% follow UN law).


Scary.
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<<<Not my words, just passing it along>>>

As you might expect, I get a LOT of email about gun control in the wake of the shooting…and about the mysteries involving things like the toxicology report on the shooter which should be known by now.

But of all the email so far, this fine example of contrary-wise thinking from reader John H up in Ohio really brings up some interesting questions…

“Never take your eyes off of the magician’s hands………..

He could have stopped no background check gun shows with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped online gun purchases and ammo purchases with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped the massive tidal wave of post tragedy gun purchases with an Executive Order…..but he has not. Instead….he makes comments about how the gun culture must change.. and change “soon”…

He establishes a committee, with Joe Biden in charge (seriously), and tells everyone that he will give them A MONTH to come up with “actionable ideas”….

But what has he really done?

He has fabricated a totally illusory “market shortage” by declaring that there will be some date “very soon” where there will be “dramatic changes” to the “despicable gun culture” in America.

Can you say “Oh my God…we have to go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy a buy a box of Twinkies because they won’t make them anymore…EVER!!!!”

I don’t even like Twinkies anymore but you bet you’re tail I beat it down to the local Hostess store to buy a few boxes “just in case” (they were all sold out….I guess all of that supply/demand BS was actually on target). What the heck was I thinking?

Anyway…..the point is….our fearless leader purposely created a situation which has guaranteed that the maximum number of weapons and the maximum amount of ammunition is now distributed out amongst the citizenry. Now, anyone from the most sophisticated collector down to the local village idiot now has, supposing they wanted one (or fifteen) in the first place, a gun. Same for ammo…want 50 rounds? You had the chance to get it. Wanted 20,000 rounds? Ditto. The window is still open, too.

The government, for some reason that they have yet to share with us, wants the citizens of this country to be armed to the teeth. The government could not have generated this type of private citizen weapon and ammo stockpiling even if they said “the Russians AND the Chinese will both attack us on January 30, 2013”.

Instead….it was “I will implement whatever gun control plan Joe Biden comes up with by the end of January”….

I am not sure we should be worried about the government trying to take away our guns in the near future. Perhaps, to the contrary, we should be wondering why they so effectively “led” us into becoming the most highly armed and stockpiled citizenry in history….. Kinda makes you think….what’s really coming our way?? “

Let me toss one out there: Suppose for a moment that the some foreign country which buys our debt had said “In order for us to buy up significant amounts of your country – and occupy it with our people – we need you (the United States) to disarm your people?” Suppose, for a moment, that this was timed to the point where GDP is overtaken by National Debt (in other words, right about Now).

Wouldn’t it be curious if the (unnamed foreign country) tried to – in effect – foreclose on America for blowing up our monetary system (debasing it by allowing money to be created effectively out of thin air) and then foisting it off on country X which would be properly pissed about such events?

But given that America’s government offices are all locked up tighe and well-defended with all those government ammo buys, and given that the American public has cleaned out almost every gunshop in the country…..well, it’s like a well-executed poison pill defense, isn’t it?

LINK: [link to www.urbansurvival.com]
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Or how about this scenario...

The government wants to arm the citizens as much as possible right now so that when TSHTF in the near future due to the gun law changes, soon to be protests, the soon to arrive attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of the press & right to assemble as well as the screwed up economy that is coming to an end, and we fight back against the system we actually stand a chance and put up a good fight (yes they actually want us to put up a good fight vs our own troops/police... burn the candle at both ends so to speak...)... the reason for this scenario would be that they want UN involvement, and what better way to get it then when the (planned) chaos starts, for the US government to be evenly matched by its own citizens (and eventually needing international assistance), therefor requiring foreign troops involvement via UN peacekeepers to assist in restoring order throughout the fragmented nation. All this would then be done under the international guise of protecting international interests, and during this time the constitution would become null and void as we shirt into international law via the UN Charter of Rights (which states that all rights can be taken away from you the instant you are deemed an enemy combatant which is basically anyone that doesn't 100% follow UN law).
 Quoting: TruthNow88


To my best estimation both of these scenarios give them entirely too much credit..
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I know tons of active-duty and retired military, from grunts to special forces. Nary one would lift a weapon against fellow Americans. UN troops would be used to disarm America while our boys are off chasing shadows in the desert.




Or how about this scenario...

The government wants to arm the citizens as much as possible right now so that when TSHTF in the near future due to the gun law changes, soon to be protests, the soon to arrive attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of the press & right to assemble as well as the screwed up economy that is coming to an end, and we fight back against the system we actually stand a chance and put up a good fight (yes they actually want us to put up a good fight vs our own troops/police... burn the candle at both ends so to speak...)... the reason for this scenario would be that they want UN involvement, and what better way to get it then when the (planned) chaos starts, for the US government to be evenly matched by its own citizens (and eventually needing international assistance), therefor requiring foreign troops involvement via UN peacekeepers to assist in restoring order throughout the fragmented nation. All this would then be done under the international guise of protecting international interests, and during this time the constitution would become null and void as we shirt into international law via the UN Charter of Rights (which states that all rights can be taken away from you the instant you are deemed an enemy combatant which is basically anyone that doesn't 100% follow UN law).
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Scary.
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I know tons of active-duty and retired military, from grunts to special forces. Nary one would lift a weapon against fellow Americans. UN troops would be used to disarm America while our boys are off chasing shadows in the desert.




Or how about this scenario...

The government wants to arm the citizens as much as possible right now so that when TSHTF in the near future due to the gun law changes, soon to be protests, the soon to arrive attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of the press & right to assemble as well as the screwed up economy that is coming to an end, and we fight back against the system we actually stand a chance and put up a good fight (yes they actually want us to put up a good fight vs our own troops/police... burn the candle at both ends so to speak...)... the reason for this scenario would be that they want UN involvement, and what better way to get it then when the (planned) chaos starts, for the US government to be evenly matched by its own citizens (and eventually needing international assistance), therefor requiring foreign troops involvement via UN peacekeepers to assist in restoring order throughout the fragmented nation. All this would then be done under the international guise of protecting international interests, and during this time the constitution would become null and void as we shirt into international law via the UN Charter of Rights (which states that all rights can be taken away from you the instant you are deemed an enemy combatant which is basically anyone that doesn't 100% follow UN law).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8152628


Scary.
 Quoting: VeryNigh



It is and I truly hope I am wrong.

The general steps I see happening are.

1. Sandy Hook event causes mass gun/ammo buys nation wide, and sparks the gun debate.

Optional. Involvement in another foreign war, likely starting in Syria and chaining into Iran as it would be ideal for them to move a large amount of US troops offshore before TSHTF because them using the military domestically in later stages has a high potential to back-fire and I think they know this. This step might not be needed/used but I suspect it likely will as it would be desired by TPTB in the coming stages. If this does happen it is likely to happen sooner then later.

2. Drastic Gun Laws introduced (whether they pass or not is actually kind of irrelevant in the big picture). This will be used to divide the country, pro 2nd amendment VS those who no longer believe people deserve the right to bear arms. This will also be true on the state level as some states on average will lean towards 1 or the other end of this debate. Divide and conquer.

3. Sandy Hook misinformation (the extra kooky stuff) will be cherry picked by TPTB (I think a lot of the Sandy Hook inconsistencies are specifically there for this purpose in the long run) and will be used to attack the 1st amendment by making the masses think that people have to much power via the internet to spread rumors widespread and this job should be left to the professionals (MSM). Another example of this is that cuttbieber twitter thing where they are now saying people died due to the hoax (its all planned crap). This will start the censorship of major websites and the internet as a whole, which is the first steps at attacking our freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and right to assemble on a massive level just before TSHTF which will be ideal for them in the coming stages.

4. Mass protests start mainly about the coming gun laws (but other topics will also be involved in various mass protests especially if we become involved in another war). The protests will become violent as for TPTB instigating a violent event at a mass protest is VERY EASY (especially one about gun rights...). The authorities will act aggressive from this point on like they always do once shit goes down. This will be used to further discredit the 2nd amendment due to gun violence and further weaken the 1st amendment by enforcing limits on the right to assemble and freedom of speech even more then they already do. At the same time they would start shifting the "war on terror" DHS/TSA focus back on its own citizens (which was the goal of the war on terror the whole time). The American gun owner is soon going to be seen as basically al-quida, and the government will be seen by many as the victim when all is said and done.

5. The dollar takes it's long awaited nose dive, and the blame is spun largely towards the mass protests/violence that is occurring at the time. This will spin the economic collapse quite well for the average sheeple and the government again can, like always, act like the victim instead of the cause.

6. TSHTF, Marshal Law and we put up a good fight vs our own troops/law enforcement (as they intended). Burn the candle on both ends. This is kind of designed to be somewhat of a standoff in a sense but in the end will still result with a lot of losses on both sides.

7. Eventually a large staged anti-government event occurs which steps everything up to an even higher level and causes immediate foreign intervention to protect international interests via UN Peacekeepers (China will likely be involved in a large way as they are financially invested).

8. During this time international law will trump US law and what remains of the constitution is replaced with the UN Charter of Right (which sounds all warm and fuzzy until you understand what the last 2 sections are saying, and also doesn't include the right to bear arms). Once international troops are involved they let the real clampdown happen against the people (including complete disarmament of all citizens)... China will then be given a larger piece of control in world affairs as their international payoff (via the new global currency to be created after the collapse) to replace China's now useless US Debt...

Last Edited by TruthNow88 on 01/09/2013 02:26 AM
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I know tons of active-duty and retired military, from grunts to special forces. Nary one would lift a weapon against fellow Americans. UN troops would be used to disarm America while our boys are off chasing shadows in the desert.




Or how about this scenario...

The government wants to arm the citizens as much as possible right now so that when TSHTF in the near future due to the gun law changes, soon to be protests, the soon to arrive attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of the press & right to assemble as well as the screwed up economy that is coming to an end, and we fight back against the system we actually stand a chance and put up a good fight (yes they actually want us to put up a good fight vs our own troops/police... burn the candle at both ends so to speak...)... the reason for this scenario would be that they want UN involvement, and what better way to get it then when the (planned) chaos starts, for the US government to be evenly matched by its own citizens (and eventually needing international assistance), therefor requiring foreign troops involvement via UN peacekeepers to assist in restoring order throughout the fragmented nation. All this would then be done under the international guise of protecting international interests, and during this time the constitution would become null and void as we shirt into international law via the UN Charter of Rights (which states that all rights can be taken away from you the instant you are deemed an enemy combatant which is basically anyone that doesn't 100% follow UN law).
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Scary.
 Quoting: VeryNigh

 Quoting: TruthNow88


It is and I truly hope I am wrong.

The general steps I see happening are.

1. Sandy Hook event causes mass gun/ammo buys nation wide, and sparks the gun debate.

Optional. Involvement in another foreign war, likely starting in Syria and chaining into Iran as it would be ideal for them to move a large amount of US troops offshore before TSHTF because them using the military domestically in later stages has a high potential to back-fire as I think they know this. This step might not be needed/used but I suspect it likely will as it would be desired by TPTB in the coming stages. If this does happen it is likely to happen sooner then later.

2. Drastic Gun Laws introduced (whether they pass or not is actually kind of irrelevant in the big picture). This will be used to divide the country, pro 2nd amendment VS those who no longer believe people deserve the right to bear arms. This will also be true on the state level as some states on average will lean towards 1 or the other. Divide and conquer.

3. Sandy Hook misinformation (the extra kooky stuff) will be cherry picked by TPTB (I think a lot of the Sandy Hook inconsistencies are specifically there for this purpose in the long run) and will be used to attack the 1st amendment by making the masses think that people have to much power via the internet to spread rumors widespread and this job should be left to the professionals (MSM). Another example of this is that cuttbieber twitter thing where they are now saying people died due to the hoax (its all planned crap). This will start the censorship of major websites and the internet as a whole, which is the first steps at attacking our freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and right to assemble on a massive level just before TSHTF which will be ideal for them in the coming stages.

4. Mass protests start mainly about the coming gun laws (but other topics will also be involved in various mass protests especially if we become involved in another war). The protests will become violent as for TPTB instigating a violent event at a mass protest is VERY EASY (especially one about gun rights...). The authorities will act aggressive from this point on like they always do once shit goes down. This will be used to further discredit the 2nd amendment due to gun violence and further weaken the 1st amendment by enforcing limits on the right to assemble and freedom of speech even more then they already do. At the same time they would start shifting the "war on terror" DHS/TSA focus back on its own citizens (which was the goal of the war on terror the whole time). The American gun owner is soon going to be seen as basically al-quida, and the government will be seen by many as the victim when all is said and done.

5. The dollar takes it's long awaited nose dive, and the blame is spun largely towards the mass protests/violence that is occurring at the time. This will spin the economic collapse quite well for the average sheeple and the government again can, like always, act like the victim instead of the cause.

6. TSHTF, Marshal Law and we put up a good fight vs our own troops/law enforcement (as they intended). Burn the candle on both ends. This is kind of designed to be somewhat of a standoff in a sense but in the end will still result with a lot of losses on both sides.

7. Eventually a large staged anti-government event occurs which steps everything up to an even higher level and causes immediate foreign intervention to protect international interests via UN Peacekeepers.

8. During this time international law trumps US law and what remains of the constitution is replaced with the UN Charter of Right (which sounds all warm and fuzzy until you understand what the last 2 sections are saying, and doesn't include the right to bear arms). Once international troops are involved they let the real clampdown happen against the citizens... and we go from there...


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Re: Is there another message in the government gun-grab scheme??
<<<Not my words, just passing it along>>>

As you might expect, I get a LOT of email about gun control in the wake of the shooting…and about the mysteries involving things like the toxicology report on the shooter which should be known by now.

But of all the email so far, this fine example of contrary-wise thinking from reader John H up in Ohio really brings up some interesting questions…

“Never take your eyes off of the magician’s hands………..

He could have stopped no background check gun shows with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped online gun purchases and ammo purchases with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped the massive tidal wave of post tragedy gun purchases with an Executive Order…..but he has not. Instead….he makes comments about how the gun culture must change.. and change “soon”…

He establishes a committee, with Joe Biden in charge (seriously), and tells everyone that he will give them A MONTH to come up with “actionable ideas”….

But what has he really done?

He has fabricated a totally illusory “market shortage” by declaring that there will be some date “very soon” where there will be “dramatic changes” to the “despicable gun culture” in America.

Can you say “Oh my God…we have to go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy a buy a box of Twinkies because they won’t make them anymore…EVER!!!!”

I don’t even like Twinkies anymore but you bet you’re tail I beat it down to the local Hostess store to buy a few boxes “just in case” (they were all sold out….I guess all of that supply/demand BS was actually on target). What the heck was I thinking?

Anyway…..the point is….our fearless leader purposely created a situation which has guaranteed that the maximum number of weapons and the maximum amount of ammunition is now distributed out amongst the citizenry. Now, anyone from the most sophisticated collector down to the local village idiot now has, supposing they wanted one (or fifteen) in the first place, a gun. Same for ammo…want 50 rounds? You had the chance to get it. Wanted 20,000 rounds? Ditto. The window is still open, too.

The government, for some reason that they have yet to share with us, wants the citizens of this country to be armed to the teeth. The government could not have generated this type of private citizen weapon and ammo stockpiling even if they said “the Russians AND the Chinese will both attack us on January 30, 2013”.

Instead….it was “I will implement whatever gun control plan Joe Biden comes up with by the end of January”….

I am not sure we should be worried about the government trying to take away our guns in the near future. Perhaps, to the contrary, we should be wondering why they so effectively “led” us into becoming the most highly armed and stockpiled citizenry in history….. Kinda makes you think….what’s really coming our way?? “

Let me toss one out there: Suppose for a moment that the some foreign country which buys our debt had said “In order for us to buy up significant amounts of your country – and occupy it with our people – we need you (the United States) to disarm your people?” Suppose, for a moment, that this was timed to the point where GDP is overtaken by National Debt (in other words, right about Now).

Wouldn’t it be curious if the (unnamed foreign country) tried to – in effect – foreclose on America for blowing up our monetary system (debasing it by allowing money to be created effectively out of thin air) and then foisting it off on country X which would be properly pissed about such events?

But given that America’s government offices are all locked up tighe and well-defended with all those government ammo buys, and given that the American public has cleaned out almost every gunshop in the country…..well, it’s like a well-executed poison pill defense, isn’t it?

LINK: [link to www.urbansurvival.com]
 Quoting: <<TIMEWATCHER>>


I find it difficult to believe that TBTB have our best interests at heart.

If this time is different it'd be a first.

Just sayin'.
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Re: Is there another message in the government gun-grab scheme??
Hold up what about the national guard going on standby?

What about the fact that NK just jumped up and said, "I wanna be friends America"?

What about the fact that we told our biggest debtors that we would back Japan if SHTF?

I think China is about to flip shit and the rest of the world knows it. Honestly they already said they wouldn't think twice about starting a world war just recently.

Is it too much of a stretch to think our Gov is trying to arm us without alerting them?
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Re: Is there another message in the government gun-grab scheme??
<<<Not my words, just passing it along>>>

As you might expect, I get a LOT of email about gun control in the wake of the shooting…and about the mysteries involving things like the toxicology report on the shooter which should be known by now.

But of all the email so far, this fine example of contrary-wise thinking from reader John H up in Ohio really brings up some interesting questions…

“Never take your eyes off of the magician’s hands………..

He could have stopped no background check gun shows with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped online gun purchases and ammo purchases with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.

He could have stopped the massive tidal wave of post tragedy gun purchases with an Executive Order…..but he has not. Instead….he makes comments about how the gun culture must change.. and change “soon”…

He establishes a committee, with Joe Biden in charge (seriously), and tells everyone that he will give them A MONTH to come up with “actionable ideas”….

But what has he really done?

He has fabricated a totally illusory “market shortage” by declaring that there will be some date “very soon” where there will be “dramatic changes” to the “despicable gun culture” in America.

Can you say “Oh my God…we have to go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy a buy a box of Twinkies because they won’t make them anymore…EVER!!!!”

I don’t even like Twinkies anymore but you bet you’re tail I beat it down to the local Hostess store to buy a few boxes “just in case” (they were all sold out….I guess all of that supply/demand BS was actually on target). What the heck was I thinking?

Anyway…..the point is….our fearless leader purposely created a situation which has guaranteed that the maximum number of weapons and the maximum amount of ammunition is now distributed out amongst the citizenry. Now, anyone from the most sophisticated collector down to the local village idiot now has, supposing they wanted one (or fifteen) in the first place, a gun. Same for ammo…want 50 rounds? You had the chance to get it. Wanted 20,000 rounds? Ditto. The window is still open, too.

The government, for some reason that they have yet to share with us, wants the citizens of this country to be armed to the teeth. The government could not have generated this type of private citizen weapon and ammo stockpiling even if they said “the Russians AND the Chinese will both attack us on January 30, 2013”.

Instead….it was “I will implement whatever gun control plan Joe Biden comes up with by the end of January”….

I am not sure we should be worried about the government trying to take away our guns in the near future. Perhaps, to the contrary, we should be wondering why they so effectively “led” us into becoming the most highly armed and stockpiled citizenry in history….. Kinda makes you think….what’s really coming our way?? “

Let me toss one out there: Suppose for a moment that the some foreign country which buys our debt had said “In order for us to buy up significant amounts of your country – and occupy it with our people – we need you (the United States) to disarm your people?” Suppose, for a moment, that this was timed to the point where GDP is overtaken by National Debt (in other words, right about Now).

Wouldn’t it be curious if the (unnamed foreign country) tried to – in effect – foreclose on America for blowing up our monetary system (debasing it by allowing money to be created effectively out of thin air) and then foisting it off on country X which would be properly pissed about such events?

But given that America’s government offices are all locked up tighe and well-defended with all those government ammo buys, and given that the American public has cleaned out almost every gunshop in the country…..well, it’s like a well-executed poison pill defense, isn’t it?

LINK: [link to www.urbansurvival.com]
 Quoting: <<TIMEWATCHER>>


I find it difficult to believe that TBTB have our best interests at heart.

If this time is different it'd be a first.

Just sayin'.
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They would if their asses were on the line also.
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01/09/2013 02:18 AM
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Re: Is there another message in the government gun-grab scheme??
Hold up what about the national guard going on standby?

What about the fact that NK just jumped up and said, "I wanna be friends America"?

What about the fact that we told our biggest debtors that we would back Japan if SHTF?

I think China is about to flip shit and the rest of the world knows it. Honestly they already said they wouldn't think twice about starting a world war just recently.

Is it too much of a stretch to think our Gov is trying to arm us without alerting them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698


Maybe .

Personally, I think you all are at the "bargaining" stage.

I'm wagering the Feds are going to clamp down. And in a big way.

Protecting us from China? If China shows up, it'll be to lend a hand to their commie brethren in the good old USSA. Helping take our firearms.
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01/09/2013 02:24 AM
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Re: Is there another message in the government gun-grab scheme??
Hold up what about the national guard going on standby?

What about the fact that NK just jumped up and said, "I wanna be friends America"?

What about the fact that we told our biggest debtors that we would back Japan if SHTF?

I think China is about to flip shit and the rest of the world knows it. Honestly they already said they wouldn't think twice about starting a world war just recently.

Is it too much of a stretch to think our Gov is trying to arm us without alerting them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698


Maybe .

Personally, I think you all are at the "bargaining" stage.

I'm wagering the Feds are going to clamp down. And in a big way.

Protecting us from China? If China shows up, it'll be to lend a hand to their commie brethren in the good old USSA. Helping take our firearms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


Do you really think that? The Chinese despise us. Hell they despise everyone especially Americans, Japanese, and Koreans.

Why is it their three most hated countries just publicly teemed up and they haven't so much as uttered a response?
A month ago NK and the US hated each other. Suddenly there was an announcement that they want peace.

All the gun control shit mysteriously happened after the Senkaku bullshit started and just a little before we announced that we would say fuck China, by then millions of people were arming themselves to the teeth.