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Can an American citizen really "Withdraw Consent" from this government?

 
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Can an American citizen really "Withdraw Consent" from this government?
And if so, Then how do you live, in the USA, once the withdraw consent is accepted by the US government? Do you still pay taxes? Can you still reside in the USA? Can you still work in the USA without ID, as you would have to turn in any government issued ID.
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Anyone know anything about this?
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!" Ezekiel 25:17

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You got me curious, so I looked this up:

[link to renunciationguide.com]

Probably not a wise course of action, but an interesting topic for discussion.
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What government? *whistles*
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It is your RIGHT to be a citizen. Better not give them a valid reason to hound you.
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Of course you can withdraw concent. You are an individual, you can do what the hell you like. If you withdraw consent from the government though expect them to come after you. Depends if you have the balls or not i guess.
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Hmmm... you have to travel out of the US to renounce citizenship at a diplomatic post.

Then there is a $450.00 fee.

And a 3 to 6 month waiting period.

Nutjob: I wanna renounce my fuckin' citizenship to the fascist evil United States.

Clerk: That will be four hundred and fifty dollars, and your appointment to renounce your citizenship will be scheduled six months from now. Have a nice day.

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you can also withdraw consent
by suicide

however, I do not advise this route.

but it is the cheapest and quickest :)
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Hmmm... you have to travel out of the US to renounce citizenship at a diplomatic post.

Then there is a $450.00 fee.

And a 3 to 6 month waiting period.

Nutjob: I wanna renounce my fuckin' citizenship to the fascist evil United States.

Clerk: That will be four hundred and fifty dollars, and your appointment to renounce your citizenship will be scheduled six months from now. Have a nice day.

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Lawful citizenship is by witnessed oath, so there is no oath to renounce. Show me documentation of my oath...
oh.. so you never were a lawful citizen of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Remember LEGALISM is bullshit
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Yes and No. You can do anything you want. The question is, will the pigs leave you alone? The answer is no.

I havn't filed a tax return since 2004 and I owe $10,000 in fines for driving without insurance and a licence. I'm still walking the streets. It's been so long now since I had a real address I doubt they could find me if they wanted to.

You can say fuck it and do what you want and live a cash life off the books but the life is hard and no kind of life for a person with children and responsibilities.
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Hmmm... you have to travel out of the US to renounce citizenship at a diplomatic post.

Then there is a $450.00 fee.

And a 3 to 6 month waiting period.

Nutjob: I wanna renounce my fuckin' citizenship to the fascist evil United States.

Clerk: That will be four hundred and fifty dollars, and your appointment to renounce your citizenship will be scheduled six months from now. Have a nice day.

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Lawful citizenship is by witnessed oath, so there is no oath to renounce. Show me documentation of my oath...
oh.. so you never were a lawful citizen of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Remember LEGALISM is bullshit
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It doesn't matter. They're still going to make you obey the law. You can live lawless but it's not going to be cheap and easy and it isn't for everybody.
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Hmmm... you have to travel out of the US to renounce citizenship at a diplomatic post.

Then there is a $450.00 fee.

And a 3 to 6 month waiting period.

Nutjob: I wanna renounce my fuckin' citizenship to the fascist evil United States.

Clerk: That will be four hundred and fifty dollars, and your appointment to renounce your citizenship will be scheduled six months from now. Have a nice day.

blink
 Quoting: goodmockingbird

Lawful citizenship is by witnessed oath, so there is no oath to renounce. Show me documentation of my oath...
oh.. so you never were a lawful citizen of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Remember LEGALISM is bullshit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4710911


It doesn't matter. They're still going to make you obey the law. You can live lawless but it's not going to be cheap and easy and it isn't for everybody.
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Well I already fired off my attestment to the pseudo-gubermint, I'm still free and intend to stay that way.
At least my conscience is clean, I'm not a SLAVE
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Hmmm... you have to travel out of the US to renounce citizenship at a diplomatic post.

Then there is a $450.00 fee.

And a 3 to 6 month waiting period.

Nutjob: I wanna renounce my fuckin' citizenship to the fascist evil United States.

Clerk: That will be four hundred and fifty dollars, and your appointment to renounce your citizenship will be scheduled six months from now. Have a nice day.

blink
 Quoting: goodmockingbird

Lawful citizenship is by witnessed oath, so there is no oath to renounce. Show me documentation of my oath...
oh.. so you never were a lawful citizen of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Remember LEGALISM is bullshit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4710911


It doesn't matter. They're still going to make you obey the law. You can live lawless but it's not going to be cheap and easy and it isn't for everybody.
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A freeman lives by common law, you can legally withdraw AND maintain a person at the same time.
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And if so, Then how do you live, in the USA, once the withdraw consent is accepted by the US government? Do you still pay taxes? Can you still reside in the USA? Can you still work in the USA without ID, as you would have to turn in any government issued ID.
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


Leave the country and take up residence somewhere else because the Freeman lifestyle is too hard for noobs, especially if you have a family!
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And if so, Then how do you live, in the USA, once the withdraw consent is accepted by the US government? Do you still pay taxes? Can you still reside in the USA? Can you still work in the USA without ID, as you would have to turn in any government issued ID.
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Of course not.
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Hmmm... you have to travel out of the US to renounce citizenship at a diplomatic post.

Then there is a $450.00 fee.

And a 3 to 6 month waiting period.

Nutjob: I wanna renounce my fuckin' citizenship to the fascist evil United States.

Clerk: That will be four hundred and fifty dollars, and your appointment to renounce your citizenship will be scheduled six months from now. Have a nice day.

blink
 Quoting: goodmockingbird

Lawful citizenship is by witnessed oath, so there is no oath to renounce. Show me documentation of my oath...
oh.. so you never were a lawful citizen of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Remember LEGALISM is bullshit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4710911


It doesn't matter. They're still going to make you obey the law. You can live lawless but it's not going to be cheap and easy and it isn't for everybody.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31820284

A freeman lives by common law, you can legally withdraw AND maintain a person at the same time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31820656


As long as you are prepared for their response when it suits them... lets not forget the meaning and intent behind "Peine forte et dure"..

The only case in America where "Peine forte et dure" was invoked was the case of Giles Corey in 1692 during the Salem Witch trials, Giles refused to participate in the system, fable has it he asked for more rocks to crush him to death.

The last case in England (while some records depute this) was in my neck of the woods in 1735, one John Weeks at Horsham gaol refused to participate in their system ended up enduring "Peine forte et dure", in the end of piling 350 weight on him, a 16 stone Gaolers laid across the top to put him out of his misery.

They have had hundreds of years to attempt to close any loop holes where we can remove ourselves from their systems of governance.

While we can, the fact they came up with "Peine forte et dure" shows how determined they are to ensure we play along by their rules and jump as and when they change them.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I pretty much have, minus the income taxes and other taxes I still pay.
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fuck off beaner
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Anyone know anything about this?
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Yes.

It's an internet myth. The US Federal government claims authority over all Americans, and frankly, over everyone else on the planet as well.

This isn't a matter of law or justice. They are simply the strongest, most power-mad psychopaths with the most guns.
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Lawful citizenship is by witnessed oath, so there is no oath to renounce. Show me documentation of my oath...
oh.. so you never were a lawful citizen of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Remember LEGALISM is bullshit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4710911


It doesn't matter. They're still going to make you obey the law. You can live lawless but it's not going to be cheap and easy and it isn't for everybody.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31820284

A freeman lives by common law, you can legally withdraw AND maintain a person at the same time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31820656


As long as you are prepared for their response when it suits them... lets not forget the meaning and intent behind "Peine forte et dure"..

The only case in America where "Peine forte et dure" was invoked was the case of Giles Corey in 1692 during the Salem Witch trials, Giles refused to participate in the system, fable has it he asked for more rocks to crush him to death.

The last case in England (while some records depute this) was in my neck of the woods in 1735, one John Weeks at Horsham gaol refused to participate in their system ended up enduring "Peine forte et dure", in the end of piling 350 weight on him, a 16 stone Gaolers laid across the top to put him out of his misery.

They have had hundreds of years to attempt to close any loop holes where we can remove ourselves from their systems of governance.

While we can, the fact they came up with "Peine forte et dure" shows how determined they are to ensure we play along by their rules and jump as and when they change them.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Don't forget you in the isles actually have a SOVEREIGN.
unlike us in the colonies (US) we have a corporate government that is fictional entirely.
right?

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And if so, Then how do you live, in the USA, once the withdraw consent is accepted by the US government? Do you still pay taxes? Can you still reside in the USA? Can you still work in the USA without ID, as you would have to turn in any government issued ID.
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


[link to www.nationalrepublicregistry.com]

Not even sure if this is what you need to do or not. It was during some get rid of your strawman post, I believe. But interesting.

Personally, I would like to know how one would travel?

[link to www.dailypaul.com]

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ROAGE.com is the place to go.
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It is your RIGHT to be a citizen. Better not give them a valid reason to hound you.
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If you claim to be a citizen then you give up your sovereignty. All men are created equal. All are sovereign until the relinquish that right.
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Yes and No. You can do anything you want. The question is, will the pigs leave you alone? The answer is no.

I havn't filed a tax return since 2004 and I owe $10,000 in fines for driving without insurance and a licence. I'm still walking the streets. It's been so long now since I had a real address I doubt they could find me if they wanted to.

You can say fuck it and do what you want and live a cash life off the books but the life is hard and no kind of life for a person with children and responsibilities.
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You also live in Canada, where they've spent the last YEAR trying to track down millions of gallons (thousands of gallons?) of maple syrup.
That they've not found you yet is not that surprising. peace
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Hmmm... you have to travel out of the US to renounce citizenship at a diplomatic post.

Then there is a $450.00 fee.

And a 3 to 6 month waiting period.

Nutjob: I wanna renounce my fuckin' citizenship to the fascist evil United States.

Clerk: That will be four hundred and fifty dollars, and your appointment to renounce your citizenship will be scheduled six months from now. Have a nice day.

blink
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If there is no outstanding balance with irs...
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Yes and No. You can do anything you want. The question is, will the pigs leave you alone? The answer is no.

I havn't filed a tax return since 2004 and I owe $10,000 in fines for driving without insurance and a licence. I'm still walking the streets. It's been so long now since I had a real address I doubt they could find me if they wanted
to.

You can say fuck it and do what you want and live a cash life off the books but the life is hard and no kind of life for a person with children and responsibilities.
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It doesn't matter. They're still going to make you obey the law. You can live lawless but it's not going to be cheap and easy and it isn't for everybody.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31820284

A freeman lives by common law, you can legally withdraw AND maintain a person at the same time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31820656


As long as you are prepared for their response when it suits them... lets not forget the meaning and intent behind "Peine forte et dure"..

The only case in America where "Peine forte et dure" was invoked was the case of Giles Corey in 1692 during the Salem Witch trials, Giles refused to participate in the system, fable has it he asked for more rocks to crush him to death.

The last case in England (while some records depute this) was in my neck of the woods in 1735, one John Weeks at Horsham gaol refused to participate in their system ended up enduring "Peine forte et dure", in the end of piling 350 weight on him, a 16 stone Gaolers laid across the top to put him out of his misery.

They have had hundreds of years to attempt to close any loop holes where we can remove ourselves from their systems of governance.

While we can, the fact they came up with "Peine forte et dure" shows how determined they are to ensure we play along by their rules and jump as and when they change them.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31808165


Don't forget you in the isles actually have a SOVEREIGN.
unlike us in the colonies (US) we have a corporate government that is fictional entirely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4710911


Even under the CommonWealth when the nations that make up Britain and Ireland where a de facto (and arguably a de jure) "Republic" they still used this form of coercion to get the public to obey their rules.

And that is the notion the lays behind this, where we are all always free men and women, it is the force that is used to coerce us into obeying their rules that seem paramount, even the softer kind used today is still coercion.. While we do not need to follow their rules, we do have to accept that we when we go it alone will at some point always end up dealing with whatever level of coercion they'll use to ensure we follow the path they lay in front of us.

ON a side note I have often wondered where that placed the colonies such as America when Britain and Ireland was a De Jure Republic.
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Yes and No. You can do anything you want. The question is, will the pigs leave you alone? The answer is no.

I havn't filed a tax return since 2004 and I owe $10,000 in fines for driving without insurance and a licence. I'm still walking the streets. It's been so long now since I had a real address I doubt they could find me if they wanted to.

You can say fuck it and do what you want and live a cash life off the books but the life is hard and no kind of life for a person with children and responsibilities.
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Yes,.. you can stop asking permission to withdraw consent.. and just fucking do it. Why do people need to ask permission to do everything. Reminds me of the movie Shawshank redemption..
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Try it and they'll kill you.
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Renounce the citizenship. Then come back as an illegal, you will be set for life then. If it is a game, use their own rules against them.

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