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My house is my temple which is my body.

When asked;

Do you have any guns in your home ?

I would say NO

I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body.

Therefore, I would NOT be lying.


There are no guns inside my home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468


Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer.

The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details.

One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law.

Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer.

Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients.
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Gestapo tactics..They will lose their 'right to practice' if they don't report all this data collecting. they're/we're all slaves now..
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My house is my temple which is my body.

When asked;

Do you have any guns in your home ?

I would say NO

I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body.

Therefore, I would NOT be lying.


There are no guns inside my home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468


Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer.

The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details.

One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law.

Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer.

Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients.
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Gestapo tactics..They will lose their 'right to practice' if they don't report all this data collecting. they're/we're all slaves now..
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You get it. Can't get past the fact we are being lead down the same path as Germany was. Blindly obeying.
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My house is my temple which is my body.

When asked;

Do you have any guns in your home ?

I would say NO

I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body.

Therefore, I would NOT be lying.


There are no guns inside my home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468


Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer.

The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details.

One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law.

Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer.

Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Yes. The two most trusted occupations are pastor/priest and physician. When you admit private details to both, they don't have to document any details. However by law, if you admit to details which indicate your guilt in a crime, then either could release such details with moral quandries each time. Breaking the "confessional" is a real issue for pastors. I know several who have told me vague details are very gut-wrenching times that they struggled with this. Docs too.

It's an abuse of the confidentiality to put them in such roles. I have a very close pastor friend who would go to jail before revealing such things. That's because he's more concerned (within reason) about eternal punishment.

Revealing sexual abuse is entirely different. Let's not obfuscate that with this. It completely clouds the issue as most docs and pastors will talk to victims and perpetrators and tell them that they urge them to alert authorities because it the right thing to do, the moral obligation of the counselor listening, and is the Law.

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I had to do a deposition over a guy that hit his me with his vehicle. I was the victim. His attorney asked me during the deposition if i owned any guns. I answered "that is irrelevant and intrusive". He said i cant answer with that answer... Bwahaha.. Yeah ok.
I said, thats my answer like it or not.
He went so far as to "warn" me i had better be telling the truth! I said... well, yeah. I am. It is irrelevant and intrusive you son of a bitch!

God help the first doctor that asks me this question.
Fucking nosy bastards.

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My house is my temple which is my body.

When asked;

Do you have any guns in your home ?

I would say NO

I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body.

Therefore, I would NOT be lying.


There are no guns inside my home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468


Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer.

The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details.

One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law.

Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer.

Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Yes. The two most trusted occupations are pastor/priest and physician. When you admit private details to both, they don't have to document any details. However by law, if you admit to details which indicate your guilt in a crime, then either could release such details with moral quandries each time. Breaking the "confessional" is a real issue for pastors. I know several who have told me vague details are very gut-wrenching times that they struggled with this. Docs too.

It's an abuse of the confidentiality to put them in such roles. I have a very close pastor friend who would go to jail before revealing such things. That's because he's more concerned (within reason) about eternal punishment.

Revealing sexual abuse is entirely different. Let's not obfuscate that with this. It completely clouds the issue as most docs and pastors will talk to victims and perpetrators and tell them that they urge them to alert authorities because it the right thing to do, the moral obligation of the counselor listening, and is the Law.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

Indeed. Child abuse should always be reported IMHO. Whether I have a gun is totally different. Making doctors snitches, as in Nazi Germany, is not acceptable.
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I had to do a deposition over a guy that hit his me with his vehicle. I was the victim. His attorney asked me during the deposition if i owned any guns. I answered "that is irrelevant and intrusive". He said i cant answer with that answer... Bwahaha.. Yeah ok.
I said, thats my answer like it or not.
He went so far as to "warn" me i had better be telling the truth! I said... well, yeah. I am. It is irrelevant and intrusive you son of a bitch!

God help the first doctor that asks me this question.
Fucking nosy bastards.
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Wait for it, it is here.
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A few weeks ago my husband had to take me to the ER because I became very sick (influenza) while teaching class.

The ER nurse also asked questions about guns to which I replied, "no". I do not think it is anybody's business if I own firearms. She then went on to ask me if I was being threatened at home & if I could protect myself -- WTF???

I answered no on the threat question & on the one about defending myself I just gave her a goofy look -- I was still in my dobok & belt with 3 gold slashes emblazoned upon it -- duh!

I could have understood if I came in wearing street clothes with black eyes, broken nose, bruised ribs, etc., but the questions are very intrusive & it was obvious I had the FLU!
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WTF is going on, sandy hook is almost like a drama to get everybody to arm themselves. now the nurse question almost sounded like the government wanted to make sure people are able to protect themselves?

gasp
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A "soft sell' to gently reel people in; get them to think they are disclosing in a safe, confidential environment when it is anything but?
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Anything but is for real. The Obummercare has such strong strings on doctors, they must comply or not get paid. Fact.
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This is not news.Pediatricians been doing this shit since the 90's atleast.I told them none of your fucking business and never went back with my daughter,
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WTF is going on, sandy hook is almost like a drama to get everybody to arm themselves. now the nurse question almost sounded like the government wanted to make sure people are able to protect themselves?

gasp
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A "soft sell' to gently reel people in; get them to think they are disclosing in a safe, confidential environment when it is anything but?
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Anything but is for real. The Obummercare has such strong strings on doctors, they must comply or not get paid. Fact.
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This is not news.Pediatricians been doing this shit since the 90's atleast.I told them none of your fucking business and never went back with my daughter,
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I was never faced with gun questions in the nineties, how-ever, this is now prevalent. We have entered a new era of intrusion.
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The questions the drs ask our children have gotten increasingly invasive. My children always lied if a question came up that they knew would sound bad. I remember when the dr asked my son if he gets a good night sleep but he had stayed up playing video games and when they asked my daughter if she ate a good breakfast (she hates breakfast) they both knew to say yes. My kids know that if they ever feel like they are in danger from me or my husband that they should definitely seek help but otherwise we are a team and it is always us first.
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The questions the drs ask our children have gotten increasingly invasive. My children always lied if a question came up that they knew would sound bad. I remember when the dr asked my son if he gets a good night sleep but he had stayed up playing video games and when they asked my daughter if she ate a good breakfast (she hates breakfast) they both knew to say yes. My kids know that if they ever feel like they are in danger from me or my husband that they should definitely seek help but otherwise we are a team and it is always us first.
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hf DF
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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The questions the drs ask our children have gotten increasingly invasive. My children always lied if a question came up that they knew would sound bad. I remember when the dr asked my son if he gets a good night sleep but he had stayed up playing video games and when they asked my daughter if she ate a good breakfast (she hates breakfast) they both knew to say yes. My kids know that if they ever feel like they are in danger from me or my husband that they should definitely seek help but otherwise we are a team and it is always us first.
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I forgot the main one they always lied about.... Bike helmets, no 12 year old boy wears a damn bike helmet without getting made fun of. But in the medical records both of my kids knew to automatically say yes sir, I always wear my helmet.
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pull out yer pepper spray and say:

'this is what I carry"
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The way I see it, if you give them(your doc) an in-clink of having a gun you can expect a knock on your door, "turn in your guns." in the near future. Registered gun owners and people who say yes will be the first. Probably search every house eventually.

say
"I don't have a gun, never wanted one, I'm against them, ect."
Say it like you mean it. In my case this would be true.

I also don't use doctors, just for glasses.

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pull out yer pepper spray and say:

'this is what I carry"
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Why would a doctor even need to know that?
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The way I see it, if you give them(your doc) an in-clink of having a gun you can expect a knock on your door, "turn in your guns." in the near future. Registered gun owners and people who say yes will be the first. Probably search every house eventually.

say
"I don't have a gun, never wanted one, I'm against them, ect."
Say it like you mean it.

I also don't use doctors, just for glasses.
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Good advice.
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the most recent question lately that I have encountered is

How many times have you been pregnant?

Not how many children do you have...

WTF
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No.

All of my ARs, .45s, 9mms, .308s, .223s, and 12gas were tragically lost at the bottom of the ocean when I went fishing with them.

Darn shame.
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Makes me wonder if we should all be going on record that our guns have been stolen, lost or sold.

Mine are all gone, I hate protection, I got rid of them last year and won't have any ever again, I promise ;-)
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The way I see it, if you give them(your doc) an in-clink of having a gun you can expect a knock on your door, "turn in your guns." in the near future. Registered gun owners and people who say yes will be the first. Probably search every house eventually.

say
"I don't have a gun, never wanted one, I'm against them, ect."
Say it like you mean it.

I also don't use doctors, just for glasses.
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Good advice.
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^ This ^
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No.

All of my ARs, .45s, 9mms, .308s, .223s, and 12gas were tragically lost at the bottom of the ocean when I went fishing with them.

Darn shame.
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That brings a tear to the eye of firearms owners.
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next on the agenda will be... Show me your papers

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next on the agenda will be... Show me your papers

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Absolutely. Pretty much that way now, every where you go you must prove who you are.
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[link to www.therightscoop.com]

This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.”

[link to www.inquisitr.com]

Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text.
Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com]

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the most recent question lately that I have encountered is

How many times have you been pregnant?

Not how many children do you have...

WTF
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Not to derail, that's a sound medical question as it might reveal incidents of female issues with conception and pregnancy. Many have miscarriages, and there might be complex reasons for them.

Back to intrusive gun questions....
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[link to www.therightscoop.com]

This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.”

[link to www.inquisitr.com]

Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text.
Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com]

???
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You don't say?
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[link to www.therightscoop.com]

This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.”

[link to www.inquisitr.com]

Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text.
Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com]

???
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You don't say?
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Odd huh? It might be a trap...lol!
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next on the agenda will be... Show me your papers

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It will be

Show me your 'registration MARK' as in the mark of the beast

no one will be able to access health care at all unless they get the mark
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[link to www.therightscoop.com]

This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.”

[link to www.inquisitr.com]

Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text.
Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com]

???
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You don't say?
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Odd huh? It might be a trap...lol!
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BottoM line is, the government is compiling every detail of our lives they can, WHY?
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next on the agenda will be... Show me your papers

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It will be

Show me your 'registration MARK' as in the mark of the beast

no one will be able to access health care at all unless they get the mark
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I believe the medical chip is in the near future.
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