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DO YOU HAVE A GUN IN YOUR HOUSE. MUST READ.

 
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I know ALOT of HEALTHY gun owners that NEVER go to doctors...how do 'they' figure this into their PROBING? All these new invasions are aimed at the HERD...too bad for them...you're gonna PAY for PLAYING! redface
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You are correct, the sheep don't even see it coming do they?
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LEMMINGS crowding around the cliff...
FROGS relaxing in the pot...

EXCHANGING YOUR FREEDOMS FOR FALSE SEURITY! redface

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They'll take the guns..

look they claim the Constitution is a simple straight forth document.. I beg (not brag) to differ...Cause I'm still not clear on what a 'natural born citizen' is..and doubt any one else does either.. and it was never who is a citizen or not, it was about who could/should legally be aloud to hold office of president of this country.

And the other night it hit me..Cause they (founding fathers) threw in these words :regulated Militia/free State = right of the people all under one blanket Amendment it can very well be claimed to be interpreted as to 'mean' that a state=people keeps a local police/national guard... so forth an so on.. the right of the people to 'bear arms' has/is already covered! Makes me sick.. but understand it all depends on who interpreting it..

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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what dont you understand? the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR arms SHALL NOT be infringed. [PERIOD]
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clappa And it's no ones business but mine. Don't make my Doctor into someone I can't trust fully.
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I know ALOT of HEALTHY gun owners that NEVER go to doctors...how do 'they' figure this into their PROBING? All these new invasions are aimed at the HERD...too bad for them...you're gonna PAY for PLAYING! redface
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You are correct, the sheep don't even see it coming do they?
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LEMMINGS crowding around the cliff...
FROGS relaxing in the pot...

EXCHANGING YOUR FREEDOMS FOR FALSE SEURITY! redface

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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Wrong. This is expressly against the law as stated in the healthcare law itself.
Thread: Obamacare guarantees your gun rights
reference pages 123 - 124
[link to www.gpo.gov]

c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.--
``(1) Wellness and prevention programs.--A wellness and
health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D)
may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to--
``(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-
possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on
the property of an individual; or

[[Page 124 STAT. 885]]

``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition by an individual.
``(2) Limitation on data collection.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition;
``(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
``(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition
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Wrong. This is expressly against the law as stated in the healthcare law itself.
Thread: Obamacare guarantees your gun rights
reference pages 123 - 124
[link to www.gpo.gov]

c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.--
``(1) Wellness and prevention programs.--A wellness and
health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D)
may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to--
``(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-
possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on
the property of an individual; or

[[Page 124 STAT. 885]]

``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition by an individual.
``(2) Limitation on data collection.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition;
``(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
``(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition
 Quoting: AC 5341

Then why has the VA and doctors been asking these questions? If people believe these protections will or are being enforced, they are truly sheep.
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tell hem to go to the link above to the .gov site for the bill and print it out. All they gotta do is show it to them and let them know their lawyer also has a copy ! They probably haven't read it, hell the jackasses that signed it didn't read it either.
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Wrong. This is expressly against the law as stated in the healthcare law itself.
Thread: Obamacare guarantees your gun rights
reference pages 123 - 124
[link to www.gpo.gov]

c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.--
``(1) Wellness and prevention programs.--A wellness and
health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D)
may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to--
``(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-
possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on
the property of an individual; or

[[Page 124 STAT. 885]]

``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition by an individual.
``(2) Limitation on data collection.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition;
``(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
``(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition
 Quoting: AC 5341


And now who gets to decide what is "lawful" and what is not?


Last year, every physician in this region changed over to the govt required software for keeping your records. They can access them at any time and you would never even know it, BTW.
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tell hem to go to the link above to the .gov site for the bill and print it out. All they gotta do is show it to them and let them know their lawyer also has a copy ! They probably haven't read it, hell the jackasses that signed it didn't read it either.
 Quoting: AC 5341


That would be assuming that the government is not ok with and ordering the data mining.
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Obama care requires the doctor to ask if you have guns, but it also says that the answer must not be recorded. If you trust the government, go ahead and tell them about your guns, otherwise be vague, or dodgy. The doctor can't make you answer, but they have to prove that they asked the question. I will never tell them, and my response is "I object to giving my personal information to the government, and I believe this is unconstitutional and irrelevant". I have already asked one doctor if she knew that it was illegal to record hose answers. She said she had not heard that, but she had never made anybody answer anyway. She just mentioned it and filled out the chart with "discussed guns in house'. Until yesterday, I don't think anybody knew that the answer couldn't be recorded, but I intend to tell everyone I talk to. The feds never told the doctors, so most of them are probably breaking the law now.
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Wrong. This is expressly against the law as stated in the healthcare law itself.
Thread: Obamacare guarantees your gun rights
reference pages 123 - 124
[link to www.gpo.gov]

c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.--
``(1) Wellness and prevention programs.--A wellness and
health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D)
may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to--
``(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-
possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on
the property of an individual; or

[[Page 124 STAT. 885]]

``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition by an individual.
``(2) Limitation on data collection.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition;
``(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
``(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition
 Quoting: AC 5341


And now who gets to decide what is "lawful" and what is not?


Last year, every physician in this region changed over to the govt required software for keeping your records. They can access them at any time and you would never even know it, BTW.
 Quoting: Bluebird

Bluebird you are correct. Last year my doctor was required to spend a hell of a lot of money complying with this bullshit. He told me that if he did not comply, he would not receive payment for services he rendered. The wonderful government required this and all the expense was on my Dr. Who is running the show? It is obvious, Obummercare. The gun data mining is directly related to the new system.
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Obama care requires the doctor to ask if you have guns, but it also says that the answer must not be recorded. If you trust the government, go ahead and tell them about your guns, otherwise be vague, or dodgy. The doctor can't make you answer, but they have to prove that they asked the question. I will never tell them, and my response is "I object to giving my personal information to the government, and I believe this is unconstitutional and irrelevant". I have already asked one doctor if she knew that it was illegal to record hose answers. She said she had not heard that, but she had never made anybody answer anyway. She just mentioned it and filled out the chart with "discussed guns in house'. Until yesterday, I don't think anybody knew that the answer couldn't be recorded, but I intend to tell everyone I talk to. The feds never told the doctors, so most of them are probably breaking the law now.
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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This is to add data to the govt database via medical records so that when we are under mandated govt medical care, those with guns will be given extra special care by way of psychotropic drugs or worse.
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Good post. Don't reveal your arms or other preparations to ANYONE!!!!
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Good post. Don't reveal your arms or other preparations to ANYONE!!!!
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Absolutely 1000 percent correct. If you do, as many sheep will, you are marking yourself and will regret it later on as the socialist state takes full control.
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OK, you need to understand how modern medicine works. You go in to an office, fill out paperwork. They ask questions to minimize the actual amount of time with a physician by narrowing down the root causes of the illness or issue. Then those answers "red flag" potential issues that might be causing immediate issues, and if considerate, a physician will think of secondary or tertiary issues as a result of your answers.

Because a doc can't spend gobs of time on each patient, in cases where there's no questionaire or if they want additional information, they will ask questions based upon a reasonable rational criteria to narrow down from troubleshooting.

Most docs have no time for banter. They have to hurry to the next waiting room. They have a full main waiting room. Since more Americans (many millions) are suddenly going to be going more often, but we didn't clone more docs, PAs, RNs, LPNs, and medical staff. They're going to be slammed with patients.

This means cutting even more corners or very long lines will result. It's common sense.

This means questions will most likely come on paper and answers written. There's no room for long answers. It's usually a check box. Check no, if you analyze the question and in your mind, the answer is no. Equivocate.

While the law may say "no documentation", in practicality that means diddley squat.

If getting routine life insurance, an insurance company will now dispatch a nurse to your home to ask questions, write down answers, then take medical readings. Based upon your answers, a decision of yes or no will be given to provide coverage. If you answer that no guns or ammunition are within your home, and then the opposite is found to be true, then they cancel your insurance.

Be smart about this.

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Wrong. This is expressly against the law as stated in the healthcare law itself.
Thread: Obamacare guarantees your gun rights
reference pages 123 - 124
[link to www.gpo.gov]

c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.--
``(1) Wellness and prevention programs.--A wellness and
health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D)
may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to--
``(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-
possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on
the property of an individual; or

[[Page 124 STAT. 885]]

``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition by an individual.
``(2) Limitation on data collection.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition;
``(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
``(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition
 Quoting: AC 5341


Thanks for posting this except.

I think however you may be partly incorrect in your interpretation of the law. Unfortunately as is more and more common we have to read between the lines when it comes to understanding this law. The first item I highlighted in bold does not prohibit the asking of the question only that answering will not be a condition for medical care.

Mental gymnastics can also be used by a predisposed judge to satisfy part B by making the assertion that this information can be compared to lists of people banned from owning firearms. I find it also interesting that by simply striking the highlighted "None of" completely changes the meaning of the entire section B. What are the chances that something like this is done at a later date?

I think the fact that anything related to the owning of firearms making it into a medical law is in itself telling. There is no medical reason for this section to be in the law in any way. The inclusion of it simply allows it to be corrupted at a future time.
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Avoid the Government/Medical complex if at all possible.

If you do have to come into contact with them, give them as much disinformation as possible. They are not on your side.
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No, I figured I would build a drone. The distance is amazing.
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No, I figured I would build a drone. The distance is amazing.
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hook it to cern, www web, google map it and wait? It is no longer drumming you out but droning you. Haha. When will the chaos end? Atomic boms, drones, wtf is the diff.
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billions of dollars for a 5 pound drone. Ask me I will tell you why guns aren't useful and how drones is the new ak47

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I've only ever had life insurance through an employer, but is this question asked on life insurance applications? If it doesn't work for them getting this information through our medical record, it'll be required to get life insurance if it isn't already.

Thank you for this post, OP. Always wise to be prepared for questions like this.
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Almost six pages and only one person went out to fact check the OP and it's content with no link.

Good to know that the vast majority here are knee jerk reactionaries and not bent on ascertaining reality.

Keep passing around the fearful dogma, you'll get your violent upheaval yet...
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Wrong. This is expressly against the law as stated in the healthcare law itself.
Thread: Obamacare guarantees your gun rights
reference pages 123 - 124
[link to www.gpo.gov]

c) Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights.--
``(1) Wellness and prevention programs.--A wellness and
health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D)
may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to--
``(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-
possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on
the property of an individual; or

[[Page 124 STAT. 885]]

``(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a
firearm or ammunition by an individual.
``(2) Limitation on data collection.--None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to--
``(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition;
``(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
``(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition
 Quoting: AC 5341


Thanks for posting this except.

I think however you may be partly incorrect in your interpretation of the law. Unfortunately as is more and more common we have to read between the lines when it comes to understanding this law. The first item I highlighted in bold does not prohibit the asking of the question only that answering will not be a condition for medical care.

Mental gymnastics can also be used by a predisposed judge to satisfy part B by making the assertion that this information can be compared to lists of people banned from owning firearms. I find it also interesting that by simply striking the highlighted "None of" completely changes the meaning of the entire section B. What are the chances that something like this is done at a later date?

I think the fact that anything related to the owning of firearms making it into a medical law is in itself telling. There is no medical reason for this section to be in the law in any way. The inclusion of it simply allows it to be corrupted at a future time.
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Keyword, corrupted.
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The correct answer is simply: "Not Applicable"

If asked to clarify, the correct answer is: "Not Applicable"
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Hurricane Katrina Door to Door Firearms Confiscation
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Still we have shills that don't believe it can happen in America.
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A few weeks ago my husband had to take me to the ER because I became very sick (influenza) while teaching class.

The ER nurse also asked questions about guns to which I replied, "no". I do not think it is anybody's business if I own firearms. She then went on to ask me if I was being threatened at home & if I could protect myself -- WTF???

I answered no on the threat question & on the one about defending myself I just gave her a goofy look -- I was still in my dobok & belt with 3 gold slashes emblazoned upon it -- duh!

I could have understood if I came in wearing street clothes with black eyes, broken nose, bruised ribs, etc., but the questions are very intrusive & it was obvious I had the FLU!
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^^this^^ is consistant with what I've been hearing from other people as well. Not just ER visits....but referrals to specialists, in-home health assistants, and even in long-term doctor/patient relationships.


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The only entity that experiences terror from armed citizens is government because they are evil.

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