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I thought that from your avatar, Desert Fox, that you would just tell them they are out of their jurisdiction - under the "Two Roads Wampum" principle.
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Indeed, lolsign
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If I'm ever asked if I have a gun at home I'm going to stand up and do a modified version of this:







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LOL!
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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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Who tells them the whole truth anyway?
I don't tell them every surgery I had at age 2 (can't remember anyway) or detail every time I ended up in the ER needing a few stitches.
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I don't even admit to being a smoker.

Fuck him, lie.
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Best answer, lie. If it doesn't directly relate to the reason you are seeking medical attention, LIE your ass off to them.
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Just one more straw Desert Fox.

My textbook response is "my child lives in a VERY safe home", though I do understand that answer does not directly address the question, and they may likely continue the hounding.

Requiring me to lie means I must violate my religion - though we know "they" no longer regard any of that with validity.

Only under one condition has God accepted, condoned, or even encouraged such action:
"...but by great deception, thou shalt do war."

Where does that leave Christians?
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You think this isn't a war? Seriously? We are SO at war already.
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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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The agenda is in motion.
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my answer was No but when you report back to the chief let him know my neighbor does and so does his neighbor so when shtf that's where i will be.
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that's exactly what my voice has been saying for ages now."your at war",he didn't elaborate yet ,who,why etc.but it's the end.
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what state was this in?
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It will probably be a mandatory question on every form we fill out pretty soon. Or worse.

"Sorry about your door. Hey, since you're here, do you own any firearms?"
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Not too much of a stretch if things keep going the way they are. No one in Washington seems to be stepping up to the plate to reverse the trend towards authoritarianism.
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They all want to be on the INSIDE when it all goes down.

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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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again please list which state theses actions are happening in
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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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The agenda is in motion.
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article your cousin sent which state please? that may be important
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Who tells them the whole truth anyway?
I don't tell them every surgery I had at age 2 (can't remember anyway) or detail every time I ended up in the ER needing a few stitches.
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I don't even admit to being a smoker.

Fuck him, lie.
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I tell them I smoke only occasionally, because they can tell. Just your breath will give you away.
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And the doctors asking this question surprises you? Where have you been? This very topic was talked about back when the death bill was being passed.

There was also talk that the wording of the illegal bill would leave an insured(health) gun owner responsible for any medical cost from accidents that may occur causing injury. No, I cant confirm this, but just wait, it will come up.

And you all have to know that people with certain medical conditions or prescriptions could easily be denied their rights.

Oh, and higher insurance rates for gun owners as well.

Wonder how long before a manditory and honest answer (they will be checking) will be required by law?
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One of those soft tactics used to get information from an unwitting target.

I think doctors are going to have a greater role in the gun "reduction" program, if that's what it is.
What if they decided that people who took certain medications could no longer own guns? I've a lot more on that idea, but that's for later. Bottom line, they could target/hype the drugs possible side effects as the reason why a person on those meds can't be trusted to own a gun. They could do it with any kind of drug, not just for mental illness. Just a thought.
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As Nazi Germany, everyone was turned into snitches. Is it happening to us? Is it?
 Quoting: Desert Fox


History repeats....the human nature that allowed some percentage of the population at that time to glory in their snitching, is still present amongst us. It is something that will never change.

I wonder if there is a collection of stories from that Nazi period describing some of the resistance techniques. (I'm old but not that old lol.) I would like to get some tips while we still can. Things used to be a lot more low tech and people were more "connected" with one another in those days, so it was more of a people game. With us this time it's going to be more technology driven, I think. It wouldn't hurt to think this through and make a plan or two. Maybe somebody will start a thread on the New Resistance People's Army yessir

Anyway, that's a fascinating thought that this is mirroring the rise of Hitler. I apprecate your point of view very much, thank you.
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:gncntrl: Just a few.....
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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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again please list which state theses actions are happening in
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You can compile a list of credible claims from people who have been asked that question by a doctor or health rep, and then group them by state.
If the OP says that it happened to him, then I would say, at the least, that his state is one of them.
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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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again please list which state theses actions are happening in
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' In my own practice, most patients I ask about guns tell me that they donít own any. This isnít surprising because Massachusetts has one of the lowest gun ownership rates of any state in the U.S. (and, as it happens, the lowest rate of gun-related deaths).

And itís possible that some patients donít wish to discuss their gun ownership with me and choose not to answer my questions about it.

But occasionally I have a conversation such as I had not long ago with a man who lived alone and kept his loaded guns unlocked and accessible. Now and then his young nieces and nephews visited and it hadnít occurred to him, until I asked, that his firearms might be a hazard to those children.

Iím going to keep asking about firearms, especially in regard to those at highest risk of harm from them: children, patients struggling with depression, patients with difficult family relationships.

As a doctor, why wouldnít I? '

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If you read the article, you will find out more about the author. Apparently, Massachuesetts could be added to your list.
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<<< The second largest U.S. pension fund decided on Wednesday to sell off its investments in the manufacturer of the rifle used in last month's mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, and makers of other firearms banned in California. >>>

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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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again please list which state theses actions are happening in
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[link to www.freerepublic.com]

' In my own practice, most patients I ask about guns tell me that they donít own any. This isnít surprising because Massachusetts has one of the lowest gun ownership rates of any state in the U.S. (and, as it happens, the lowest rate of gun-related deaths).

And itís possible that some patients donít wish to discuss their gun ownership with me and choose not to answer my questions about it.

But occasionally I have a conversation such as I had not long ago with a man who lived alone and kept his loaded guns unlocked and accessible. Now and then his young nieces and nephews visited and it hadnít occurred to him, until I asked, that his firearms might be a hazard to those children.

Iím going to keep asking about firearms, especially in regard to those at highest risk of harm from them: children, patients struggling with depression, patients with difficult family relationships.

As a doctor, why wouldnít I? '

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If you read the article, you will find out more about the author. Apparently, Massachuesetts could be added to your list.
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LMAO you're full off horsepoop
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Leaders of organized medicine this week responded to the incomplete narrative of the shooting by reiterating the need for physicians to ask patients about gun ownership.

"Part of my professional and ethical duty is to identify those things that can harm kids and their families," said M. Denise Dowd, MD, MPH, who coauthored the most recent AAP position paper on firearm-related injuries. Last week's massacre "underscored that point completely," Dr. Dowd told Medscape Medical News.
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The agenda is in motion.
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article your cousin sent which state please? that may be important
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This came to me from Casper Wyoming.
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Gee, I can see both sides of this.
I, like probably most everybody else doesn't like medical staff even asking the question. (But I don't have guns so the answer would be no anyways)
But, since the focus of all this bullshit should be focused on crazy people not guns, then if asking this question somehow stops a crazy person from going postal then it literally could save the lives of both the crazy man and his potential victims.
I'd rather these these type things being done than more gun laws.
The issue at hand in the country right now should be keeping crazy people from getting guns, not more willy-nilly gun laws that don't do squat.
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One of those soft tactics used to get information from an unwitting target.

I think doctors are going to have a greater role in the gun "reduction" program, if that's what it is.
What if they decided that people who took certain medications could no longer own guns? I've a lot more on that idea, but that's for later. Bottom line, they could target/hype the drugs possible side effects as the reason why a person on those meds can't be trusted to own a gun. They could do it with any kind of drug, not just for mental illness. Just a thought.
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As Nazi Germany, everyone was turned into snitches. Is it happening to us? Is it?
 Quoting: Desert Fox


History repeats....the human nature that allowed some percentage of the population at that time to glory in their snitching, is still present amongst us. It is something that will never change.

I wonder if there is a collection of stories from that Nazi period describing some of the resistance techniques. (I'm old but not that old lol.) I would like to get some tips while we still can. Things used to be a lot more low tech and people were more "connected" with one another in those days, so it was more of a people game. With us this time it's going to be more technology driven, I think. It wouldn't hurt to think this through and make a plan or two. Maybe somebody will start a thread on the New Resistance People's Army yessir

Anyway, that's a fascinating thought that this is mirroring the rise of Hitler. I apprecate your point of view very much, thank you.
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Your comments are true and noted. As to a plan for resistance, I would not dare start a thread related to it nor recommend anyone else do so either. When the time arrives for, "true resistance" it will be a person to person exchange.
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Gee, I can see both sides of this.
I, like probably most everybody else doesn't like medical staff even asking the question. (But I don't have guns so the answer would be no anyways)
But, since the focus of all this bullshit should be focused on crazy people not guns, then if asking this question somehow stops a crazy person from going postal then it literally could save the lives of both the crazy man and his potential victims.
I'd rather these these type things being done than more gun laws.
The issue at hand in the country right now should be keeping crazy people from getting guns, not more willy-nilly gun laws that don't do squat.
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Agreed that the insane should not be allowed to have weapons, but it is not hard to make someone appear insane. If you accidentally say the wrong thing to your medical people, they document it, the government may deem you dangerous. They could easily say that of me, even tho I am very stable, but very much a patriot. There is the problem IMO.
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Gee, I can see both sides of this.
I, like probably most everybody else doesn't like medical staff even asking the question. (But I don't have guns so the answer would be no anyways)
But, since the focus of all this bullshit should be focused on crazy people not guns, then if asking this question somehow stops a crazy person from going postal then it literally could save the lives of both the crazy man and his potential victims.
I'd rather these these type things being done than more gun laws.
The issue at hand in the country right now should be keeping crazy people from getting guns, not more willy-nilly gun laws that don't do squat.
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Agreed that the insane should not be allowed to have weapons, but it is not hard to make someone appear insane. If you accidentally say the wrong thing to your medical people, they document it, the government may deem you dangerous. They could easily say that of me, even tho I am very stable, but very much a patriot. There is the problem IMO.
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answer questions w questions

Do you own a gun?
Should I own a gun?

Are you stressed?
Should i feel stressed?

Do you feel like harming someone?
Should i feel like harming someone?
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I don't even admit to being a smoker.

Fuck him, lie.
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Best answer, lie. If it doesn't directly relate to the reason you are seeking medical attention, LIE your ass off to them.
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Just one more straw Desert Fox.

My textbook response is "my child lives in a VERY safe home", though I do understand that answer does not directly address the question, and they may likely continue the hounding.

Requiring me to lie means I must violate my religion - though we know "they" no longer regard any of that with validity.

Only under one condition has God accepted, condoned, or even encouraged such action:
"...but by great deception, thou shalt do war."

Where does that leave Christians?
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You think this isn't a war? Seriously? We are SO at war already.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

That has been my point - exactly.

We really have to start addressing it for what it is.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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answer questions w questions

Do you own a gun?
Should I own a gun?

Are you stressed?
Should i feel stressed?

Do you feel like harming someone?
Should i feel like harming someone?
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Reverse psy always works.
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you know it desert fox-- great post by the way and a great heads up for people to prepare themselves for a candid response. Thanks again for sharing.

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