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ceawaves User ID: 28704314 United States 01/09/2013 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My house is my temple which is my body. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468 When asked; Do you have any guns in your home ? I would say NO I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body. Therefore, I would NOT be lying. There are no guns inside my home. Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer. The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details. One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law. Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer. Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care. Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients. Gestapo tactics..They will lose their 'right to practice' if they don't report all this data collecting. they're/we're all slaves now.. |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My house is my temple which is my body. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468 When asked; Do you have any guns in your home ? I would say NO I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body. Therefore, I would NOT be lying. There are no guns inside my home. Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer. The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details. One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law. Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer. Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care. Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients. Gestapo tactics..They will lose their 'right to practice' if they don't report all this data collecting. they're/we're all slaves now.. You get it. Can't get past the fact we are being lead down the same path as Germany was. Blindly obeying. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Don'tBeAfraid User ID: 1110734 United States 01/09/2013 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My house is my temple which is my body. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468 When asked; Do you have any guns in your home ? I would say NO I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body. Therefore, I would NOT be lying. There are no guns inside my home. Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer. The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details. One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law. Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer. Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care. Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients. Yes. The two most trusted occupations are pastor/priest and physician. When you admit private details to both, they don't have to document any details. However by law, if you admit to details which indicate your guilt in a crime, then either could release such details with moral quandries each time. Breaking the "confessional" is a real issue for pastors. I know several who have told me vague details are very gut-wrenching times that they struggled with this. Docs too. It's an abuse of the confidentiality to put them in such roles. I have a very close pastor friend who would go to jail before revealing such things. That's because he's more concerned (within reason) about eternal punishment. Revealing sexual abuse is entirely different. Let's not obfuscate that with this. It completely clouds the issue as most docs and pastors will talk to victims and perpetrators and tell them that they urge them to alert authorities because it the right thing to do, the moral obligation of the counselor listening, and is the Law. Last Edited by Don'tBeAfraid on 01/09/2013 05:10 PM Come visit my 900+ posts on rational and practical prepping for getting closer to the Earth and God. Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 33) Believe in yourself, you're beautiful. Thread: dating&romance advice - see Don´tBeAfraid´s tips/explanations - edited to have only the useful information for ya! (Page 5) Thread: What is the soul? |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My house is my temple which is my body. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468 When asked; Do you have any guns in your home ? I would say NO I do not have any guns inside my temple/home body. Therefore, I would NOT be lying. There are no guns inside my home. Yes. This is precisely my point. It is each person's right and the questioners expects you to interpret the question and then answer. All they want is an answer. Some, perhaps most, would prefer a truthful answer. The times they want a truthful answer is to discern the validity of the patient's interpretation of their health habits. Because patients have a high trust level for health care workers, particularly physicians, then one could abuse their trust of such questioning and released such details. One might argue, but probably pointlessly, that such questions infringe upon HIPAA privacy legislation and therefore while can be asked, since it is released to others, might be an infringment of your privacy that is guaranteed by the Law. Medically speaking such questions help isolate issues to determine in a troubleshooting manner, much like a mechanic to provide treatment and suggestions. However, an insurance person is seeking information to determine risk for statistics (acutary science or biostatistics or both) to determine altering the cost of such insurance. Since we have managed care, the insurance companies are in charge of paying medical workers, not you as a payer. Because most people don't pay with cash, the insurance company has the political clout to determine health care. Yes, most people trust their doctor and in turn will answer questions that otherwise they would never divulge. I find it very sad that our doctors are being used in such manner. As for the insurance companys again you are correct, they are paying the practice or facility, therefore beholding to the federal government, not patients. Yes. The two most trusted occupations are pastor/priest and physician. When you admit private details to both, they don't have to document any details. However by law, if you admit to details which indicate your guilt in a crime, then either could release such details with moral quandries each time. Breaking the "confessional" is a real issue for pastors. I know several who have told me vague details are very gut-wrenching times that they struggled with this. Docs too. It's an abuse of the confidentiality to put them in such roles. I have a very close pastor friend who would go to jail before revealing such things. That's because he's more concerned (within reason) about eternal punishment. Revealing sexual abuse is entirely different. Let's not obfuscate that with this. It completely clouds the issue as most docs and pastors will talk to victims and perpetrators and tell them that they urge them to alert authorities because it the right thing to do, the moral obligation of the counselor listening, and is the Law. Indeed. Child abuse should always be reported IMHO. Whether I have a gun is totally different. Making doctors snitches, as in Nazi Germany, is not acceptable. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to do a deposition over a guy that hit his me with his vehicle. I was the victim. His attorney asked me during the deposition if i owned any guns. I answered "that is irrelevant and intrusive". He said i cant answer with that answer... Bwahaha.. Yeah ok. Quoting: Yuri Gervasii I said, thats my answer like it or not. He went so far as to "warn" me i had better be telling the truth! I said... well, yeah. I am. It is irrelevant and intrusive you son of a bitch! God help the first doctor that asks me this question. Fucking nosy bastards. Wait for it, it is here. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 279244 United States 01/09/2013 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few weeks ago my husband had to take me to the ER because I became very sick (influenza) while teaching class. Quoting: Lady Jane Smith The ER nurse also asked questions about guns to which I replied, "no". I do not think it is anybody's business if I own firearms. She then went on to ask me if I was being threatened at home & if I could protect myself -- WTF??? I answered no on the threat question & on the one about defending myself I just gave her a goofy look -- I was still in my dobok & belt with 3 gold slashes emblazoned upon it -- duh! I could have understood if I came in wearing street clothes with black eyes, broken nose, bruised ribs, etc., but the questions are very intrusive & it was obvious I had the FLU! WTF is going on, sandy hook is almost like a drama to get everybody to arm themselves. now the nurse question almost sounded like the government wanted to make sure people are able to protect themselves? A "soft sell' to gently reel people in; get them to think they are disclosing in a safe, confidential environment when it is anything but? Anything but is for real. The Obummercare has such strong strings on doctors, they must comply or not get paid. Fact. This is not news.Pediatricians been doing this shit since the 90's atleast.I told them none of your fucking business and never went back with my daughter, |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14443159 WTF is going on, sandy hook is almost like a drama to get everybody to arm themselves. now the nurse question almost sounded like the government wanted to make sure people are able to protect themselves? A "soft sell' to gently reel people in; get them to think they are disclosing in a safe, confidential environment when it is anything but? Anything but is for real. The Obummercare has such strong strings on doctors, they must comply or not get paid. Fact. This is not news.Pediatricians been doing this shit since the 90's atleast.I told them none of your fucking business and never went back with my daughter, I was never faced with gun questions in the nineties, how-ever, this is now prevalent. We have entered a new era of intrusion. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Bornready User ID: 30099313 United States 01/09/2013 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The questions the drs ask our children have gotten increasingly invasive. My children always lied if a question came up that they knew would sound bad. I remember when the dr asked my son if he gets a good night sleep but he had stayed up playing video games and when they asked my daughter if she ate a good breakfast (she hates breakfast) they both knew to say yes. My kids know that if they ever feel like they are in danger from me or my husband that they should definitely seek help but otherwise we are a team and it is always us first. |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The questions the drs ask our children have gotten increasingly invasive. My children always lied if a question came up that they knew would sound bad. I remember when the dr asked my son if he gets a good night sleep but he had stayed up playing video games and when they asked my daughter if she ate a good breakfast (she hates breakfast) they both knew to say yes. My kids know that if they ever feel like they are in danger from me or my husband that they should definitely seek help but otherwise we are a team and it is always us first. Quoting: Bornready 30099313 DF :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30099313 United States 01/09/2013 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The questions the drs ask our children have gotten increasingly invasive. My children always lied if a question came up that they knew would sound bad. I remember when the dr asked my son if he gets a good night sleep but he had stayed up playing video games and when they asked my daughter if she ate a good breakfast (she hates breakfast) they both knew to say yes. My kids know that if they ever feel like they are in danger from me or my husband that they should definitely seek help but otherwise we are a team and it is always us first. Quoting: Bornready 30099313 I forgot the main one they always lied about.... Bike helmets, no 12 year old boy wears a damn bike helmet without getting made fun of. But in the medical records both of my kids knew to automatically say yes sir, I always wear my helmet. |
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stars User ID: 17867407 United States 01/09/2013 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way I see it, if you give them(your doc) an in-clink of having a gun you can expect a knock on your door, "turn in your guns." in the near future. Registered gun owners and people who say yes will be the first. Probably search every house eventually. say "I don't have a gun, never wanted one, I'm against them, ect." Say it like you mean it. In my case this would be true. I also don't use doctors, just for glasses. Last Edited by stars on 01/09/2013 05:33 PM stars |
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Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way I see it, if you give them(your doc) an in-clink of having a gun you can expect a knock on your door, "turn in your guns." in the near future. Registered gun owners and people who say yes will be the first. Probably search every house eventually. Quoting: stars say "I don't have a gun, never wanted one, I'm against them, ect." Say it like you mean it. I also don't use doctors, just for glasses. Good advice. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
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Carshy User ID: 8254811 United States 01/09/2013 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way I see it, if you give them(your doc) an in-clink of having a gun you can expect a knock on your door, "turn in your guns." in the near future. Registered gun owners and people who say yes will be the first. Probably search every house eventually. Quoting: stars say "I don't have a gun, never wanted one, I'm against them, ect." Say it like you mean it. I also don't use doctors, just for glasses. Good advice. ^ This ^ |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8254811 All of my ARs, .45s, 9mms, .308s, .223s, and 12gas were tragically lost at the bottom of the ocean when I went fishing with them. Darn shame. That brings a tear to the eye of firearms owners. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5141990 United States 01/09/2013 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.therightscoop.com] This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.” [link to www.inquisitr.com] Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text. Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com] ??? |
Don'tBeAfraid User ID: 1110734 United States 01/09/2013 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the most recent question lately that I have encountered is Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1243271 How many times have you been pregnant? Not how many children do you have... WTF Not to derail, that's a sound medical question as it might reveal incidents of female issues with conception and pregnancy. Many have miscarriages, and there might be complex reasons for them. Back to intrusive gun questions.... Come visit my 900+ posts on rational and practical prepping for getting closer to the Earth and God. Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 33) Believe in yourself, you're beautiful. Thread: dating&romance advice - see Don´tBeAfraid´s tips/explanations - edited to have only the useful information for ya! (Page 5) Thread: What is the soul? |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.therightscoop.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990 This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.” [link to www.inquisitr.com] Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text. Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com] ??? You don't say? :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5141990 United States 01/09/2013 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.therightscoop.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990 This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.” [link to www.inquisitr.com] Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text. Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com] ??? You don't say? Odd huh? It might be a trap...lol! |
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Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.therightscoop.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990 This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.” [link to www.inquisitr.com] Although the ability of patients to keep their gun ownership details to themselves when going to see a doctor about a stomach ache has been included in the Obamacare bill since 2010, some lawmakers and medical groups are reportedly just now discovering the text. Read more at [link to www.inquisitr.com] ??? You don't say? Odd huh? It might be a trap...lol! BottoM line is, the government is compiling every detail of our lives they can, WHY? :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Desert Fox (OP) User ID: 8786935 United States 01/09/2013 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will be Show me your 'registration MARK' as in the mark of the beast no one will be able to access health care at all unless they get the mark I believe the medical chip is in the near future. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31841435 United States 01/09/2013 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They'll take the guns.. Quoting: ceawaves look they claim the Constitution is a simple straight forth document.. I beg (not brag) to differ...Cause I'm still not clear on what a 'natural born citizen' is..and doubt any one else does either.. and it was never who is a citizen or not, it was about who could/should legally be aloud to hold office of president of this country. And the other night it hit me..Cause they (founding fathers) threw in these words :regulated Militia/free State = right of the people all under one blanket Amendment it can very well be claimed to be interpreted as to 'mean' that a state=people keeps a local police/national guard... so forth an so on.. the right of the people to 'bear arms' has/is already covered! Makes me sick.. but understand it all depends on who interpreting it.. One people's Antichrist is another people's savior~! 2nd Amendment A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. what dont you understand? the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR arms SHALL NOT be infringed. [PERIOD] |