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Why Atheism is wrong

 
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Why Atheism is wrong
"Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs."



I know I haven't posted anything here in years. I had no intentions of posting here again but I feel that I need to post this. This article is about why atheism is incorrect and why atheists are wrong. I have spent months debating atheists and they made me question a lot of things. But I have found evidence that the paranormal, contrary to atheist's beliefs, does exist and therefore god probably does too. [Most] Atheists do not believe in anything paranormal, supernatural, or metaphysical. They do not believe in reincarnation, the soul, god, the afterlife, astrology, channeling etc... A lot of them are also arrogant and close minded. They often times use excuses like these things are delusions and/or hallucinations. ALL these things? No way. Those excuses are OLD and OVERUSED. These things are real and I will prove it.



First evidence; psychics. I will start with this one first. Atheists say psychic powers do not exist and all psychics are frauds. First of all, not all psychics are frauds. I know that. Some of my friends were psychics and some psychics did their readings for me for free. Not only were they honest to me when they said they have psychic powers but they were right in what they said. They were my friends, they wouldn't lie to me. So can these be not psychics powers but delusions? No, my friends were intelligent and rational people and they worked to develop those abilities. Of these what one friends, initials MK, was able to read my energies perfectly. She felt something like I was troubled and confused. I forgot what exactly. But what she said was exactly how I have been feeling. She only spoken with my online a few times and she knew very little of me. Another psychic friend, initials JS, was able to read the person around me perfectly. I was going through depression so I asked for help. He said he felt my energies to be empathic and that there is a feminine person around me who feels hopeless and is a victim in life and that I might be picking up her energies causing my depression. That person is my mother and he described her perfectly! The final friend I will describe is not a psychic but a channeler and he contacts non-physical beings. The things he said were right. He said the person I am asking about is far away, when I didn't tell him she was on a trip to Europe, and that I am not eating consistently, something only I would know. I was not eating every time I was hungry. I would wait hours until my hunger became unbearable by me.



Now I will talk about my experiences with other psychics who were not my friends.



For a long time I was sick. I even forgot that I was sick. So I was doing brainwave entrainment until I find a preset that was said to have been inspired by a higher source. I try it and feel better than anything! I remembered how sick I have been. Its as if God sent me that preset to remind me. The following miracle was getting to that doctor. I was very sick and didn't know what to do. So I prayed a lot. I prayed for a spiritual healer. And that's exactly what happened. I eventually meet a friend who says he has premonitions. Eventually he has a vision of me going to a spiritual doctor that will heal me. I believed him. I didn't know how to find that doctor so I went to a psychic and the psychic found her. I asked my friend by showing her picture and that was exactly how he saw her! She exactly what I was looking for. Next was going to the doctor. When I went I found out she was psychic too. She could tell I had a lot of anger problems which I did. But something happened during my visits. At home I had made a realization from contemplation. It was this experience I had. I had sort of a spiritual enlightenment. I felt awakened like my soul has grown. Its not easy to explain. But it changed me. I became a different, more happy, person. I was more content. It was an internal transformation. When I went to the Indian doctor I haven't said a word about that transformation. Its a known spiritual transformation of consciousness. When I went to her she saw like "Wow! What happened to you?". I believe she could see auras and she saw my aura and it was different, more spiritually enlightened. She asked me what happened as she knew I changed a lot. How could she have known at that particular time? No one else to this day noticed it. Only she did. She must've been psychic. And finally the fourth miracle is the energy work. I didn't strongly believe anything would happen when she sent me the energy but it did! I felt her energy and even my mom did. Everything happened like it was a miracle.



I had this one experience with a psychic. I usually go to him to ask about this girl I liked. He said things perfectly having to do with what was going on. So there was a time where I haven't seen her in a while. Maybe about 2-3 months. It was winter so I was out least often. I could've been out more but I decided not to. Of course I never told the psychic that so if he was fake he would've assumed we still saw each other and had no idea we weren't seeing each other. So I ask him for a session and after I paid him he told me "She was wondering what happened to you, why you didn't show up!". That's EXACTLY what happened! How could he have known the exact detail that we weren't seeing each other if he was not psychic? Its impossible. He knew the correct detail at the correct time he wouldn't know if he wasn't psychic.



Another really memorable and powerful experience with a psychic reading is when I went to a psychic and she said someone who passed on is around me. That is true. But that still could've been a lucky guess. But when the psychic dropped the name of the dead relative's sister, bella, that the relative was telling her (or yelling at her) then I knew the psychic was the real deal.I just went to www.namestatistics.com and typed in the name. Here is what it showed:"Bella is the #1202 most common female first name

0.006% of females in the US are named Bella.

Around 7350 US females are named Bella"That was the only name the psychic gave in all our sessions. So the chance of the psychic being a fraud is 0.006%. Even less considering that the name of the dead relative's sister is that. She also said that dead relative said I have a sister. Why would she gamble away her credibility in saying something like that? For all she knows I have a ton of sisters! She got it right that my parents separated. But if I stayed in touch with my father I would KNOW if I have a sister or not. But she didn't do it. She gambled away something that could easily be false. But I didn't know if I could have had a sister knowing nothing of my father since he left me before I was born. A fake psychic wouldn't do that. I will try to find out if I have a sister or not. I probably do according to this logic.



Another instance where a woman said I don't live just exist. At that time it was true. A year ago a psychic told me I isolate myself a lot, which is true too. And this one psychic said I think too much which is true I have psychiatric obsessions. One psychic said my grandparents miss me when I was a teenager living with my grandparents and was off at school. The psychic couldn't have known I was living with my grandparents. Another, that I'm not doing my all for my health which is true. One time a psychic told me a woman i asked about he been dumped by her boyfriend in front of her best friend by asking out the woman's best friend. When i talked to the woman she said the same thing and i didn't even mention that i knew that. A Psychic called Lincoln knew I was hard on myself trying to heal myself. Once a psychic knew my feeling reaction to what she said exactly and thanked me for feeling right at that moment. A psychic Kenny who I know could tell the illness and the history behind it before the patient told him anything which is later verified true.. I know Kenny and he is the real deal. He sent me Reiki and I felt it. And on his blogs he was always honest. I will link you his article below at the end of this article. One psychic told me a girl from another country likes me. I rarely talk to people in other countries but how did he know that? Another time 2 different psychics from different websites BOTH said that that this girl wanted to know my intentions in contacting her when I didn't tell them anything. They both knew that detail. One psychic correctly could see I was overthinking I truly was obsessed and a girl from high school who told me she was psychic knew exactly what to do before the teacher said it. A Reiki master, initial A, knew that I didn't have a father. She was also a Reiki practitioner and I saw her degrees. That psychic A could feel my energy and had it difficult going through my defenses. She's also my friend. Why would she lie to me? Both Kenny and her cannot be lying. Why would they? They're my friends. And there's no way these can be delusions or hallucinations. Reiki is a real energy that works. People say it works for them and it worked for me too. These people who know Reiki are also psychic as they can feel energies. They can feel when another person is stressed or happy by just reading their energies. They can sometimes know the background behind the diseases that are later VERIFIED by the patients. Not only are they not lying but its something that is real. Its just much more likely that its true Reiki energy rather than a hallucination.



Here is what someone else said about his psychic experience. This is not my experience:



"I had an experience with a medical intuitive who said i had red itchy small bumps on my stomach area (a health issue since healed). It was significant because NO ONE knew this other than myself, and she picked this up right out of the blue. This kind of thing is what you are looking for- the signature of a true intuitive. They'll just pick things like that up, from out of nowhere.



In another instance, a woman told me at the beginning of the session (and this was done over the phone- NO WAY she could have been watching me) to keep my feet flat on the floor and not crossed at the ankles because the latter would affect my energy pattern and make it more difficult for her to 'read' me. I said ok and sat as she suggested. A few minutes into the session i got distracted and crossed my feet at the ankles. Within seconds of shifting my position this way, she stopped in mid-sentence and said "I said, BOTH FEET FLAT ON THE FLOOR! Remember I told you this from the beginning. Don't cross your feet at the ankles!" I said sorry and did as she asked. It was stunning because she was obviously remote viewing me."



Some say if psychics did exist, they would have already proved themselves to Randi's 1 million dollar challenge to anyone who proves any kind of paranormal event. Well my message to them is that Randi can suck it! I don't trust that test and I'm sure they made the test so that no one can pass it, psychic or not. If you want to contact truly certified psychics go to certifiedpsychics.com . Its a government registered agency which a person must prove that they are psychic in order to work for them.



Now for the second evidence: Energy Work. I had experiences with healing energies when I went to alternative healers. I am went to a Reiki session with A again on Tuesday december 18, 2012. Until today, she sent me distant energy and besides feeling sleepy I didn't feel anything. But at least they were free. But anyway there were times where I DID feel the energies. The first time I was attuned to become a Reiki healer myself, I believe. He did a distance attunement for me and nothing happened. The second time was when I was doing Astral Projection through brainwave entrainment. I was doing it and I felt close to achieving astral projection and I felt these intense energies. They left me sexually. I think my chakras were very stimulated. I had depression and when I was feeling those energies it was all gone! What that energy was I don't know. Then I had this ex-friend from myspace send me a distance Reiki I believe. I didn't believe anything would happen due to past experiences but it did! I felt strong energies as if my depression was better. And the final experience is when I went to the Indian doctor. I felt her energy when she sent it to me and when she sent it to my mom my mom felt it too. I wasn't hypnotized nor was it the placebo effect as the distance healing debunks that. The paranormal energy healings do work. Reiki practitioners can also sense energies.



Third evidence is through channeling. First of all, as I already said here, my friend was a real channeler so they all can't be fake. Other sincere channelers like Neale Donald Walsch or the author of Seth material also prove that not all channelers are scammers. So the question is, who are those people channeling? I believe it is who those beings claim but not in every case. I do not believe Walsch is channeling God but beings pretending to be God. Can they be making things up? I don't think anyone has such an imagination. And besides you would know and always have known if you are making it up. Can it be the subconscious mind? The subconscious mind may be smart but it is not THAT smart. And besides, why would the subconscious mind lie to the person saying it is some kind of a highly advanced spiritual being. Or perhaps it is the superconsicous mind? I might not know what that is but isn't it that part of your mind that knows everything? Spiritual psychologist Carl Jung believe in the superconscious mind. It might be that or what the famous psychic Edgar Cayce channeled the "Akashic Records". It could be anything. Just don't use the Ouija boards for contacting the spirits, most of them are in the lower realms and some are harmful! So the channelers are fake and can't be channeling their own imagination or their own subconscious mind. Its probably some kind of a non-physical entity. A person who channels can get a vast amount of information you just can't make up. Famous prophets who channeled are Moses, Muhammad, I believe Jesus, the Vedic Rishis, and I believe the Buddha. Modern channelers include Neale Donald Walsch's Conversations with God and Seth Material. There was a lot of info I believe the person Kim Michaels channeled Jesus at askrealjesus.com but I no longer can find any articles on that website. The content there is so advanced there's no way anyone can make it up. And boy does it change lives!



The fourth evidence is astral projection. All these AP practitioners say AP is real and even could test it by going to another room and gaining information otherwise impossible through AP. It happens. I will practice AP myself and experiment it myself. I asked an AP practitioner does AP feel like a dream and they said no. It is also known that you have a high awareness during AP. Robert Monroe did a lot of research into all these worlds of AP. I will read his books soon. How could you induce yourself into an out-of-body hallucination? Maybe you can but maybe the AP practitioners are right since they know what they are doing.



The final evidence is the longest. I wanted this to be in a certain order. The final evidence is reincarnation. Yes, that's right, reincarnation is true. I mean how can these people remember such intimate details of another person as if it was their memories that are later VERIFIED by research and the family of those deceased people? Even skeptics say that reincarnation is the best possible explanation for these cases. If these cases do not prove reincarnation, they come closest to proving it anyone ever can. But I think this truly IS evidence and if you are a rational open-minded person, you would also think that reincarnation is the best explanation for these cases. Here we go.



Shanti Devi:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to in.answers.yahoo.com]

[link to www.beliefnet.com]

[link to www.viewzone.com]

Book: I have lived before



At the age of four in 1930 in Delhi, India, Shanti Devi began to mention certain details about clothes, food, people, incidents, places which surprised her parents.



Briefly, Shanti mentioned the following which were later verified to be true. She:

• identified herself as Lugdi who used to live in Muttra, 128 kilometres away

• spoke the dialect of that area without having learned it

• claimed to have given birth to a son and died ten days later, events which it was later found did happen to Lugdi

• when taken to Muttra recognized her husband of her former life, Kedar Nath, and spoke of many things they did together

• was able to identify with accuracy a number of landmarks where she used in live in the previous life in Muttra

• was able to correctly state how the furniture was placed when she used to live there in her home

• knew that in her former life where she had hidden 150 rupees in an underground corner of a room for safe keeping in the house. The husband of the previous life, Kedar Nath, confirmed that although the money was not there he was responsible for taking it himself

• correctly identified Lugdi's former parents from a large crowd.



"In 1930, aged 4, Shanti Deva from Delhi, India, told her parents that she had once lived in a place called Muttra (now known as Mathura), that she had been a mother of three, who died in childbirth, and that her previous name was Ludgi. Because the girl continually related the story, her parents investigated. It turned out there was a village called Muttra, and that a woman named Ludgi had recently died there. They took Shanti to the village where she began to speak the local dialect and recognized her previous-life husband and children. She even gave twenty four accurate statements matching confirmed facts about Ludgis life. An impressive feat for a four year old.



One of the earliest and best-known documented cases of children who claim to recall a past life, that of Shanti Devi (studied by K.S. Rawat), also includes statements about her experiences after death and before her reincarnation.



Shanti Devi



"In the 1930s when the idea of successive lives was not shared by the educated elite, the case of a 9-year-old girl Shanti Devi of Delhi attracted much public attention throughout India and soon its reports travelled far and wide in the entire world (Rawat, 1997). For the first time in history, a committee of fifteen persons, including journalists, was constituted to investigate the veracity of the statements made by the girl, claiming to be a Chouban (member of the Choubey family) of Mathura in her past life. Mathura, a town 145 kilometers from Delhi, never visited by the girl or her parents. Spiritualists and rationalists, scientists and laymen visited Delhi and Mathura either to investigate dispassionately or to support their religious beliefs or to entirely expose what they saw as a hoax. One such critic, Sture Lönnerstrand, came all the way down from Sweden to expose the fake case. After completing his investigations he issued the statement: This is the only fully explained and proven case of reincarnation there has ever been. (Hunt, 1971.)"



- [link to theunexplainedmysteries.com]



"Shanti Devi (11 December 1926 - 27 December 1987) was born in Delhi, India.[1] She began as a little girl in the 1930s to claim to remember details of a past life. The case was brought to the attention of Mahatma Gandhi who set up a commission to investigate; a report was published in 1936.[2] Two further reports were written at the time, one critical of the reincarnation claims,[3] and a rebuttal.[4] Later in life Shanti Devi was interviewed again, and a Swedish author who had visited her twice wrote a book about the case.[5] According to these accounts, when she was about four years old, she told her parents that her real home was in Mathura where her husband lived, about 145 km from her home in Delhi. Discouraged by her parents, she ran away from home at age six, trying to reach Mathura. Back home, she stated in school that she was married and had died ten days after having giving birth to a child. Eventually interviewed by her teacher and headmaster, she used words from the Mathura dialect and divulged the name of her merchant husband, "Kedar Nath". The headmaster located a merchant by that name in Mathura who had lost his wife, Lugdi Devi, nine years earlier, ten days after having given birth to a son. Kedar Nath traveled to Delhi, pretending to be his brother, but Shanti Devi immediately recognized him and Lugdi Devi's son. As she knew several details of Kedar Nath's life with his wife, he was soon convinced that Shanti Devi was indeed the reincarnation of Lugdi Devi. When Mahatma Gandhi heard about the case, he met the child and set up a commission to investigate. The commission traveled with Shanti Devi to Mathura, arriving on November 15, 1935. There she recognized several family members, including the grandfather of Lugdi Devi. She found out that Kedar Nath had neglected to keep a number of promises he had made to Lugdi Devi on her deathbed. She then traveled home with her parents. The commission's report concluded that Shanti Devi was indeed the reincarnation of Lugdi Devi.[2] Shanti Devi did not marry. She told her story again at the end of the 1950s, and once more in 1986 when she was interviewed by Ian Stevenson and K.S. Rawat. In this interview she also related her near death experiences while Lugdi Devi died.[1] K.S. Rawat continued his investigations in 1987, and the last interview took place only four days before her death on December 27, 1987.[6]" "In an attempt to trip-her up, when Shanti made her first visit to her former home, the research team hired an actor to pretend to be her former husband while her former husband pretended to be one of the onlookers in the crowd. Shanti immediately saw through the fraud and identified the man who had been her former husband recalling to him some intimate details of their personal life together that her former husband, in complete amazement, acknowledged."



Book: Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation



"What Stevenson was looking for were stories that could not easily be explained by hypotheses other than the survival of personality. He knew that stories of previous lives could get contaminated in a variety of ways. They might be due to cryptomnesia. The source might have been a movie, a book, a play, a radio program, an overheard story or conversation. He thought that the best evidence for reincarnation would be those cases where someone wrote down the instances where a child gives evidence of a PLE and then later the written account is verified. For example, a father writes down his three-year-old son's statements that he was Joey the blacksmith in Portsmouth and was stabbed by pirates in the neck on a wharf in Hong Kong. Later, it is discovered that there was a Joey who was a blacksmith in Portsmouth who was killed by pirates in Hong Kong. Adding poignancy to this account would be the discovery of some sort of birthmark on the neck of the child. One problem with such a method is that the verification process may not occur for a decade. But even if it takes place within a few months of the written record being made, we must take it on faith that the father is being honest. We have no way of knowing whether the father (or an uncle) in a semi-drunken state read an account of Joey's death to his son and told him that that mark on your neck is the mark of Joey. We have no way of knowing that the father is being completely honest with us. In other words, we have to assume a story is uncontaminated in order to declare the case "solved" (as Stevenson calls those cases "when evidence of a person that corresponds to the experient's statements concerning a past life is found" [Mills and Lynn: 290]).



In a fairly typical case, a boy in Beirut spoke of being a 25-year-old mechanic, thrown to his death from a speeding car on a beach road. According to multiple witnesses, the boy provided the name of the driver, the exact location of the crash, the names of the mechanic's sisters and parents and cousins, and the people he hunted with -- all of which turned out to match the life of a man who had died several years before the boy was born, and who had no apparent connection to the boy's family.* "



[link to www.skepdic.com]



Published results



"Stevenson concluded that reincarnation was the "best possible explanation" for the following reasons:

The large number of witnesses and the lack of apparent motivation and opportunity, due to the vetting process, make the hypothesis of fraud extremely unlikely.

The large amount of information possessed by the child is not generally consistent with the hypothesis that the child obtained that information through investigated contact between the families.

Demonstration of similar personality characteristics and skills not learned in the current life and the lack of motivation for the long length of identification with a past life make the hypothesis of the child gaining his recollections and behavior through extra-sensory perception improbable.

When there is correlation between congenital deformities or birthmarks possessed by the child and the history of the previous individual, the hypothesis of random occurrence is improbable."

- [link to en.wikipedia.org]



Even skeptics believe the book Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation that was written by a psychiatrist Ian Stevenson



Look at the reviews: [link to www.amazon.com]



Ian Stevenson was a Psychiatrist who did studies on reincarnation. He wrote I believe a dozen books. The most popular one of his books is "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation". Its very convincing and proves that fraud is extremely unlikely. Even skeptics agree that reincarnation is the best explanation of these cases.



"Stevenson reports that he has collected over 3,000 such cases, but has published only a small percentage of the cases investigated. He throws out most of the cases because they do not meet the highest criteria of credibility. For example, he dismisses any cases where the family of the second personality has profited in any way from contact with the family of the first personality, either financially or in social prestige or attention. (Stevenson himself never pays his sources.) He also throws out cases where the two families are linked by a person who might have inadvertently transmitted information from one family to the other. Furthermore, some cases turn out to be explainable in terms of cryptomnesia, or "hidden memories." In these cases, someone acquires information through entirely natural means, such as overhearing a conversation or reading a novel, and then forgets the circumstances in which they learned it. Later something triggers the information which subjectively appears to come "out of nowhere." Perhaps from a former life, we think. Yet in hypnotic regression, the true source of the information is revealed. Case dismissed. Cases where testimony is inconsistent, where witnesses are of questionable character, or where there is even the slightest indication of possible fraud are also immediately dropped.





Stevenson has published only the strongest cases, those involving no gain, no evidence of ulterior motive, no previous connection between families, generous recall of details which can be confirmed by associates of the former personality, and ideally the opportunity to bring together the second personality with persons known by the first personality. His cautious skepticism and critical methods have earned him the attention of even quite conservative professional journals. In 1977, the distinguished Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease devoted almost an entire issue to his research. In an editorial justifying this attention, Dr. Eugene Brody wrote: "Our decision to publish this material recognizes the scientific and personal credibility of the authors, the legitimacy of their research methods, and the conformity of their reasoning to the usual canons of rational thought." Two years earlier, in a review of the first volume of Cases of the Reincarnation Type in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Lester S. King concluded that Stevenson had "painstakingly and unemotionally collected a detailed series of cases in India, cases in which the evidence for reincarnation is difficult to understand on any other grounds....[H]e has placed on record a large amount of data that cannot be ignored.""



reincarnation proof: [link to reluctant-messenger.com]



another reincarnation proof: [link to www.viewzone.com]



What are the chances that a child remembers the intimate details of another person and have the same opposite 6 planet positions of that person just as Edgar Cayce said about accidental deaths? The chances of that position are 2985984 but with also knowing the correct details of another person and Edgar Cayce beng right? Also both of James Huston's Venus and Jupiter in Scorpio became James Leininger's Venus and Jupiter in Pisces.



Article: [link to www.viewzone.com]

Book: Soul Survivor : The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot by Bruce Leininger and Andrea Leininger

[link to www.soulsurvivor-book.com]

James Leininger video: [link to www.youtube.com]

James Leininger proof reincarnation: [link to www.reversespins.com]



"The most famous case of past life regression through hypnosis is that of Ruth Simmons. In 1952, her therapist, Morey Bernstein, took her back past the point of her birth. Suddenly, Ruth began to speak with an Irish accent and claimed that her name was Bridey Murphy, who lived in 19th century Belfast, Ireland. Ruth recalled many details of her life as Bridey, but, unfortunately, attempts to find out if Ms. Murphy really existed were unsuccessful. There was, however, some indirect evidence for the truth of her story: under hypnosis, Bridey mentioned the names of two grocers in Belfast from whom she bought food, Mr. Farr and John Carrigan. A Belfast librarian found a city directory for 1865-1866 that listed both men as grocers. Her story was told both in a book by Bernstein and in a 1956 movie, The Search for Bridey Murphy. In "Have We Really Lived Before?", Michael C. Pollack, Ph.D., CCHT describes his lower back pain, which grew steadily worse over the years and limited his activities. He believes he found out a possible reason during a series of past life therapy sessions: "I discovered that I had lived at least three prior lifetimes in which I had been killed by being knifed or speared in the low back. After processing and healing the past life experiences my back began to heal."



Research conducted by Nicola Dexter, a past life therapist, has discovered correlations between illnesses and past lives in some of her patients, including: a bulimia sufferer who swallowed salt water in a previous life; a fear of indoor heights caused by carving the ceiling of a church and being killed by falling to the floor; a persistent problem in the shoulder and the arm area having been caused by participating in a tug of war which injured the same arm; a fear of razors and shaving was found to have its root cause in another lifetime where the client had chopped off someone's fingers with a sword and then as retribution had his entire hand cut off.



In one fascinating case, an Indian boy claimed to remember the life of a man named Maha Ram, who was killed with a shotgun fired at close range. This boy had an array of birthmarks in the center of his chest that looked like they could possibly correspond to a shotgun blast. So the story was checked out. Indeed, there was a man named Maha Ram who was killed by a shotgun blast to the chest. An autopsy report recorded the man's chest wounds -- which corresponded directly with the boy's birthmarks.



A man from Thailand claimed that when he was a child he had distinct memories of a past life -- as his own paternal uncle. This man had a large scar-like birthmark on the back of his head. His uncle, it turns out, died from a severe knife wound to that very part of his head."

- [link to paranormal.about.com]



"A five-year-old Indian boy, Parmod Sharma, remembered specific details about a man named Parmanand, including street directions in Parmanand's city and the man's "special seat." The boy also visited the factory Parmanand owned and gave directions for repairing complicated machinery in it."

- [link to www.beliefnet.com]



People who reincarnate also have birthmarks or birth defects in the same kind or place as the previous person. That further points to reincarnation as opposed to psychic activity or demonic activity. Hinduism may have gotten it right. You have an immortal soul. If you are not spiritually developed enough you reincarnate. You carry the karma from your previous life and are a lot like your previous self. David Wilcock believes he is the reincarnation of the famous American psychic Edgar Cayce. They look similar, they have very similar astrology charts, they are both spiritual etc...



Shanti Devi described her afterlife and that she was drawn into the womb to reincarnate. In the womb she was blind and deaf and had a disgusting smell. The sense of smell came first and also leaves last when you die. She reacted as her mother did in the womb.



3 reasons why its reincarnation and not other hypothesis:

-The cases of Bridey Murphy where the patient, Ruth Simmons, was regressed before birth into a past life through hypnosis.

-Shanti Devi talking about the afterlife and how she was sucked into a womb

-The birthmarks corresponding to memories of how a person was killed in past lives



Book: Life Before Life: Children's Memories of Previous Live

Book: Old Souls: Compelling Evidence from Children Who Remember Past Lives



Another good article about this(That psychic Kenny's): [link to sites.google.com (secure)]



"Just as a candle cannot burn without fire, men cannot live without a spiritual life.” Buddha



I challenge all atheists to prove all these wrong
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So if I told you that I'm a Reiki practitioner who doesn't believe in God, would your head explode? No, I'm not an athiest, but I don't feel the need to go around telling other people they're wrong when the fact is that NO ONE knows.
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So if I told you that I'm a Reiki practitioner who doesn't believe in God, would your head explode? No, I'm not an athiest, but I don't feel the need to go around telling other people they're wrong when the fact is that NO ONE knows.
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First of all I would think its really weird that a Reiki practitioner wouldn't believe in God. Second of all you say you don't believe in God but say you are not an atheist either, that is a contradiction. Maybe no one does know and maybe I'm wrong in saying atheism is wrong but really a lot of atheists have hubris and arrogant and think they are right do not have any doubts that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism may be the right path indeed.
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So if I told you that I'm a Reiki practitioner who doesn't believe in God, would your head explode? No, I'm not an athiest, but I don't feel the need to go around telling other people they're wrong when the fact is that NO ONE knows.
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First of all I would think its really weird that a Reiki practitioner wouldn't believe in God. Second of all you say you don't believe in God but say you are not an atheist either, that is a contradiction. Maybe no one does know and maybe I'm wrong in saying atheism is wrong but really a lot of atheists have hubris and arrogant and think they are right do not have any doubts that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism may be the right path indeed.
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there you go ;)
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"Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs."
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Atheism is the lack of believe in any gods. Period.

It is not a believe in a particular origin story for the universe.
It is not a believe in a particular origin story for life on Earth.

"The universe exists" is a more parsimonious proposition than "The universe + magical superbeing(s) exists."
Thus it is the null hypothesis.
The null hypothesis that the claimants of "magical superbeing exists" will have to disproof.

Until such evidence materialises it is not rational to believe in it.
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"Atheism- the belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to nothing & then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything & then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason which then turned into dinosaurs."
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Atheism is the lack of believe in any gods. Period.

It is not a believe in a particular origin story for the universe.
It is not a believe in a particular origin story for life on Earth.

"The universe exists" is a more parsimonious proposition than "The universe + magical superbeing(s) exists."
Thus it is the null hypothesis.
The null hypothesis that the claimants of "magical superbeing exists" will have to disproof.

Until such evidence materialises it is not rational to believe in it.
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No scriptures say God exists and until atheists can disprove everything in my article they are wrong.
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No scriptures say God exists
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It's a book. A collection of words.
Words proof nothing.
FACTS do.

and until atheists can disprove everything in my article they are wrong.
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No, YOU have to proof they are facts. Not urban myths.

Burden of proof, buddy. You're not a child in Sunday School any more where the bare assertion fallacy gets used every 7 seconds.
YOU make the claim, YOU proof it.
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BTW, proving that psychics and reincarnation are real would not be a god-proof. Claiming such is a non sequitur.
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The only one more obtuse than a religious person is an atheists.

Neither of them can PROVE their position, they believe there is, or believe there isn't. That's it.

The lack of evidence argument, claimed by Atheists as proof of non-existence only proves their inability to be logical and reasonable.
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No scriptures say God exists
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It's a book. A collection of words.
Words proof nothing.
FACTS do.

and until atheists can disprove everything in my article they are wrong.
 Quoting: Amilius

No, YOU have to proof they are facts. Not urban myths.

Burden of proof, buddy. You're not a child in Sunday School any more where the bare assertion fallacy gets used every 7 seconds.
YOU make the claim, YOU proof it.
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BTW, proving that psychics and reincarnation are real would not be a god-proof. Claiming such is a non sequitur.
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1) How can a person just make up all these brilliant scriputres? Obviously they were devinely inspired.

2) If psychics and reincarnation do exist then it shows supernatural phenomena does happen. It is also on a level of religion and spirituality so if those exist it is plausible God exists too.
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The only one more obtuse than a religious person is an atheists.

Neither of them can PROVE their position, they believe there is, or believe there isn't. That's it.

The lack of evidence argument, claimed by Atheists as proof of non-existence only proves their inability to be logical and reasonable.
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Yeah I think so too.
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The lack of evidence argument, claimed by Atheists as proof of non-existence only proves their inability to be logical and reasonable.
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So what you're saying is that the tooth fairy is real?
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So if I told you that I'm a Reiki practitioner who doesn't believe in God, would your head explode? No, I'm not an athiest, but I don't feel the need to go around telling other people they're wrong when the fact is that NO ONE knows.
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First of all I would think its really weird that a Reiki practitioner wouldn't believe in God. Second of all you say you don't believe in God but say you are not an atheist either, that is a contradiction. Maybe no one does know and maybe I'm wrong in saying atheism is wrong but really a lot of atheists have hubris and arrogant and think they are right do not have any doubts that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism may be the right path indeed.
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No, that isn't a contradiction. I don't believe in Santa Clause.....so what label would you throw on me?

To label someone for their beliefs is silly enough. To label someone because they don't believe what you do believe is even more insane.


The lack of belief in a God doesn't make you an atheist, I'm not sure where you got your information. An atheist by definition is someone who BELIEVES in the NON-EXISTENCE of God. In other words....Atheism is just another belief. You actually think you KNOW that God doesn't exist.

An agnostic is someone who is rather neutral. They understand that the possibility of a "God" hasn't been proven or disproven....and thus, like a logical, sane individual, they choose to remain open about the situation.


I'm a VERY spiritual individual, have been my whole life. I've also ALWAYS been very close to my heart, and I've practiced meditation nearly my whole life, along with other sadhana. However, my practice has become so strong, that it doesn't require ANY belief. Each and everyday I move closer to a beautiful, warm Heart. A heart MUCH bigger than I could have ever imagined. Some people call it God - some people call it the Source....and yet there are an infinite amount of Names for it. I prefer to not name it, and i feel those who wish to name it, and force it on others......those are the exact people who live very, very far away from it.
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The lack of evidence argument, claimed by Atheists as proof of non-existence only proves their inability to be logical and reasonable.
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So what you're saying is that the tooth fairy is real?
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Considering something silly and ridiculous such as the tooth fairy is not on the same level as the God hypothesis.
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The lack of evidence argument, claimed by Atheists as proof of non-existence only proves their inability to be logical and reasonable.
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So what you're saying is that the tooth fairy is real?
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No, I'm also saying that i have no evidence the tooth fairy isn't real.

The only position that can be taken when there is a lack of evidence either way is the "I do not know" position.

On top of that one can say, I do not know, but this is what I believe.

What I believe, is that the tooth fairy does not exist, but since i have no proof of that, I cannot be entirely sure.


Your argument would be that without evidence something does not exist, so your position is that before Wilhelm Röntgen's 1895 discovery, radiation did not exist. Whereas the truth of course is that the evidence was there, but had not yet been discovered.

So, until evidence is discovered, neither side can hold anything above a belief. And to claim that another persons belief is wrong... is asinine.
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The lack of evidence argument, claimed by Atheists as proof of non-existence only proves their inability to be logical and reasonable.
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So what you're saying is that the tooth fairy is real?
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Considering something silly and ridiculous such as the tooth fairy is not on the same level as the God hypothesis.
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I fail to see why. You cannot prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

Maybe it's a microscopic angel from god that works in dentistry.
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Do you people realize that God doesn't have to be a supernatural being that exists outside the universe that looks just like us? I believe God the universe, mind and energy. God is intelligent and created the universe and through his laws has full control of the universe but nothing is supernatural. My arguments are that the supernatural teachings of religion are really natural once understood and incorporated into our lives. It is not supernatural that God spoke to Moses as I explain it like this: Moses was a prophet. He was a developed soul. Developed souls can access higher states of consciousness. Moses was able to access that higher state of consciousness and was able to get information. That being claimed to be God. I do not believe it was the God but a representative of God. The same for Neale Donald Walsch who claims to also talk with God. And other channelers.
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The lack of evidence argument, claimed by Atheists as proof of non-existence only proves their inability to be logical and reasonable.
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So what you're saying is that the tooth fairy is real?
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Considering something silly and ridiculous such as the tooth fairy is not on the same level as the God hypothesis.
 Quoting: Amilius


I fail to see why. You cannot prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

Maybe it's a microscopic angel from god that works in dentistry.
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You can't prove a negative.
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Get this guy/girl a soap box he feels like preaching tonight....
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So if I told you that I'm a Reiki practitioner who doesn't believe in God, would your head explode? No, I'm not an athiest, but I don't feel the need to go around telling other people they're wrong when the fact is that NO ONE knows.
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First of all I would think its really weird that a Reiki practitioner wouldn't believe in God. Second of all you say you don't believe in God but say you are not an atheist either, that is a contradiction. Maybe no one does know and maybe I'm wrong in saying atheism is wrong but really a lot of atheists have hubris and arrogant and think they are right do not have any doubts that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism may be the right path indeed.
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No, that isn't a contradiction. I don't believe in Santa Clause.....so what label would you throw on me?

To label someone for their beliefs is silly enough. To label someone because they don't believe what you do believe is even more insane.


The lack of belief in a God doesn't make you an atheist, I'm not sure where you got your information. An atheist by definition is someone who BELIEVES in the NON-EXISTENCE of God. In other words....Atheism is just another belief. You actually think you KNOW that God doesn't exist.

An agnostic is someone who is rather neutral. They understand that the possibility of a "God" hasn't been proven or disproven....and thus, like a logical, sane individual, they choose to remain open about the situation.


I'm a VERY spiritual individual, have been my whole life. I've also ALWAYS been very close to my heart, and I've practiced meditation nearly my whole life, along with other sadhana. However, my practice has become so strong, that it doesn't require ANY belief. Each and everyday I move closer to a beautiful, warm Heart. A heart MUCH bigger than I could have ever imagined. Some people call it God - some people call it the Source....and yet there are an infinite amount of Names for it. I prefer to not name it, and i feel those who wish to name it, and force it on others......those are the exact people who live very, very far away from it.
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But atheism is a religion. Atheism is the lack of a belief in a God.
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But atheism is a religion. Atheism is the lack of a belief in a God.
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There are tribes in the Amazon delta that have never heard of your god or Moses.

Why do you think that is......
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No scriptures say God exists
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It's a book. A collection of words.
Words proof nothing.
FACTS do.

and until atheists can disprove everything in my article they are wrong.
 Quoting: Amilius

No, YOU have to proof they are facts. Not urban myths.

Burden of proof, buddy. You're not a child in Sunday School any more where the bare assertion fallacy gets used every 7 seconds.
YOU make the claim, YOU proof it.
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BTW, proving that psychics and reincarnation are real would not be a god-proof. Claiming such is a non sequitur.
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1) How can a person just make up all these brilliant scriputres? Obviously they were devinely inspired.

2) If psychics and reincarnation do exist then it shows supernatural phenomena does happen. It is also on a level of religion and spirituality so if those exist it is plausible God exists too.
 Quoting: Amilius


OP, you need to study a little logic.

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So if I told you that I'm a Reiki practitioner who doesn't believe in God, would your head explode? No, I'm not an athiest, but I don't feel the need to go around telling other people they're wrong when the fact is that NO ONE knows.
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First of all I would think its really weird that a Reiki practitioner wouldn't believe in God. Second of all you say you don't believe in God but say you are not an atheist either, that is a contradiction. Maybe no one does know and maybe I'm wrong in saying atheism is wrong but really a lot of atheists have hubris and arrogant and think they are right do not have any doubts that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism may be the right path indeed.
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did you know that there is more than one "god"?
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But atheism is a religion. Atheism is the lack of a belief in a God.
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There are tribes in the Amazon delta that have never heard of your god or Moses.

Why do you think that is......
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I nevwe got your answer before, So i'll rephrase.

No one had ever heard of radiation before 1895... why do you think that is?
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No one had ever heard of radiation before 1895... why do you think that is?
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Too much religion and not enough science. wink

But I agree with most of what you said earlier.
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No scriptures say God exists
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It's a book. A collection of words.
Words proof nothing.
FACTS do.
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1) How can a person just make up all these brilliant scriptures?
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Argument from ignorance.
You not understanding how something is possible doesn't proof it isn't.

Obviously they were divinely inspired.
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Bare assertion fallacy.

Your assertion is that these texts could not have been written by mere humans.
How do you plan to proof that.

And no, among grown-ups "because I say so" is NOT proof.

and until atheists can disprove everything in my article they are wrong.
 Quoting: Amilius

BTW, proving that psychics and reincarnation are real would not be a god-proof. Claiming such is a non sequitur.
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2) If psychics and reincarnation do exist then it shows supernatural phenomena does happen. It is also on a level of religion and spirituality so if those exist it is plausible God exists too.
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Gods are not just bigger spooks.
Gods are all-powerful and all-knowing.

The existence of psychic powers and memories of past lives might be an as yet unexplained natural phenomenon.
You are claiming "A therefore B".
Proof the link.
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The lack of belief in a God doesn't make you an atheist, I'm not sure where you got your information.
An atheist by definition is someone who BELIEVES in the NON-EXISTENCE of God. In other words....Atheism is just another belief. You actually think you KNOW that God doesn't exist.
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This is incorrect.
You are conflating hard (gnostic) atheism with atheism with soft (agnostic) atheism.

I do not believe in any gods.
I'm an atheist.
An ignostic [sic] atheist.
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Argument from ignorance.
You not understanding how something is possible doesn't proof it isn't.

Bare assertion fallacy.

Your assertion is that these texts could not have been written by mere humans.
How do you plan to proof that.

And no, among grown-ups "because I say so" is NOT proof.



Because of the CONTENT of these scriptures. It is beyond anyone's imagination to just make up all these things up. These people probably did hear voices in their head. Sophisticated voices. Like in my argument here for channeling. The prophets can communicate with higher beings in their mind. Its possible. And the sophistication of the content proves its not some hallucination.

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Because of the CONTENT of these scriptures. It is beyond anyone's imagination to just make up all these things up.
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You mean YOUR imagination.

If there's one constant in human history it is that humans are really good at making shit up.
Human beings have filled several tens of millions of books with stories they have made up.
Some of these are very good and imaginative.

And how is the bible more imaginative and special than frex the Bhagavad Gita?

These people probably did hear voices in their head. Sophisticated voices. Like in my argument here for channeling. The prophets can communicate with higher beings in their mind. Its possible.
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Than proof it already.
"Channeling"? Is there any faery story you won't believe in?

And the sophistication of the content proves its not some hallucination.
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How did you define "sophistication"?
How did you measure the level of sophistication?
How did you test that method?
With which other works did you make the comparison?

Without proper answers to these questions you might as well speak in tongues, because just saying "these texts are special" is pretty meaningless by itself.
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So far the only thing we can learn from this thread is that credulous people tend to be theists, and sceptically inclined people not so much.
No surprise there.

Perhaps that's how we were made.

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Many people believe these texts are real as they feel right to them. They resonate deeply with them.
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Do you people realize that God doesn't have to be a supernatural being that exists outside the universe that looks just like us? I believe God the universe, mind and energy. God is intelligent and created the universe and through his laws has full control of the universe but nothing is supernatural. My arguments are that the supernatural teachings of religion are really natural once understood and incorporated into our lives. It is not supernatural that God spoke to Moses as I explain it like this: Moses was a prophet. He was a developed soul. Developed souls can access higher states of consciousness. Moses was able to access that higher state of consciousness and was able to get information. That being claimed to be God. I do not believe it was the God but a representative of God. The same for Neale Donald Walsch who claims to also talk with God. And other channelers.
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Supernatural is just a label used to define the unknown and unexplainable. Nothing is actually supernatural if you have the proper knowledge and experience to back you up (nothing is supernatural to God for instance). To the average person who does not access the necessary information to understand reality more fully than what is simply in front of them, they could find quite a bit to be supernatural or unexplainable. Without any kind of blunt experience, they could shrug off the existence of anything “supernatural” because of a natural limit of what they are willing to believe beyond their own body’s senses. If they do recognize something as a supernatural event, then they may develop a great fear of the unknown. Today this same fear can be clearly viewed in religious superstition, such as the fear of Satan or Hell, even though all such dark entities have been removed at this point in time and Hell is just an evolving concept of human origin.

Be sure not to chastise someone because they are incapable of faith on this planet. Since there has not been anyone here in the flesh to represent the local universe administration from on high since Jesus of Nazareth, it is easy to understand how many fall into confusion or direct disbelief. Since spirit and matter have little to do with each other and religious people try so hard to associate the two (i.e. disbelieving evolution because of a misinterpretation of scripture or citing large gaps in scientific understanding to conclude that God exists), you can understand how others try to use science or the superstition within religion to fight theism.

If you want to know more about Moses, he simply became able to contact the Spark of God that resides within everyone. Although I would say he had a developed soul, he built it from scratch in his life just as everyone else does. There is a cosmic unity in the several mind levels of the universe. Intellectual selves have their origin in the cosmic mind much as nebulae take origin in the cosmic energies of universe space. On the human level of intellectual selves the potential of spirit evolution becomes dominant, with the assent of the mortal mind, because of the spiritual endowments of the human personality together with the creative presence of an entity-point of absolute value in such human selves. But such a spirit dominance of the material mind is conditioned upon two experiences: This mind must have evolved up through the ministry of the seven adjutant mind-spirits, and the material self must choose to cooperate with the Indwelling Spirit in creating and fostering the evolutionary and potentially immortal soul.

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