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Good News!!! OBAMACARE AMENDMENT FORBIDS GUN AND AMMO REGISTRATION

 
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Good news -- it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.

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Big Fuckin deal. All the second amendment does is reiterates our GOD GIVEN, not government given, rights, to keep and bear arms. In my book, the only one who has the power to revoke that right is God himself and until that happens I will tell anyone who tries to revoke that right, bring it.....lets see if you are strong enough.
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quote from SHAVAGER:

"YOU GUYS JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU?? THERE IS NO EXISTING FEDERAL LAW THAT ALLOWS WHAT THIS AMENDMENT PROHIBITS--so basically the FEDS are prevented under this Healthcare bill FROM ESTABLISHING ANY NEW LIMITATIONS, RESTRICTIONS OR REGISTRATIONS not already in LAW with passage of this BILL. Congress MUST pass any legislation to attempt registration, limitations, or prohibitions--and any attempts will be met with lawsuits that will go to U.S. Supreme Court.. What does it take for YOU to understand--the Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT--not a collective right that can be limited to all Americans by an act of Congress--IF 99.99% of Americans and OWEbama SUPPORTED GUN BANS--the BILL OF RIGHTS PROTECTS the rights of ALL AMERICANS--down to the SMALLEST MINORITY OF ONE~!!"
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"By golly, Nancy Pelosi was right — they didn’t know what was in ObamaCare until it passed! Of course, in this case all she needed to do was ask her buddy Harry Reid, who apparently sandbagged his party’s gun-control wing by inserting an interesting clause in the 2800-page bill that no one in Congress bothered to read before voting on it. CNN’s Jim Acosta reveals the restriction on firearms-registration data collection built into the 2010 law:"

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Love it when stupid people fuck themselves

The old saying...give 'em enough rope and they will hang themselves
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Something good is going to come out of Obamacare?
I am speechless...
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laugh and please pin this ....
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Something good is going to come out of Obamacare?
I am speechless...
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence


I know what you mean. However, they will probably just remove the clause by Executive Order, there, all fixed.
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Something good is going to come out of Obamacare?
I am speechless...
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence


I know what you mean. However, they will probably just remove the clause by Executive Order, there, all fixed.
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If they found it before the world did maybe.. but CNN is running this and that means its going to take more then a sharpie to make this go away..

Ohhh shit i just had an ounce of hope, someone slap me i think i am dreaming...
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here is the amendment:

"‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—øAs
added by section 10101(e)(2)¿
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities
provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection
of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by
that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to
maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized
under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.
‘‘(d) REGULATIONS.—Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment
of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the Secretary
shall promulgate regulations that provide criteria for determining
whether a reimbursement structure is described in subsection
(a).
‘‘(e) STUDY AND REPORT.—Not later than 180 days after the
date on which regulations are promulgated under subsection (c),
the Government Accountability Office shall review such regulations
and conduct a study and submit to the Committee on Health, Education,
Labor, and Pensions of the Senate and the Committee on
Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives a report regarding
the impact the activities under this section have had on
the quality and cost of health care."

Last Edited by Liquid_Pestilence on 01/09/2013 11:04 PM
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All I read over and over was LAWFUL which can be changed by a stroke of a pen.

In other words if Obama decides that ALL guns are illegal, there will be NO LAWFUL firearms for this amendment to apply to.

Feel free to correct me if I'm interpreting this amendment wrong.
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All I read over and over was LAWFUL which can be changed by a stroke of a pen.

In other words if Obama decides that ALL guns are illegal, there will be NO LAWFUL firearms for this amendment to apply to.

Feel free to correct me if I'm interpreting this amendment wrong.
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You could be correct but everything i have read is saying this will stick.
I don't know much about law, any lawyers in the house tonight? Anyone else with some input?
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it appears to say that Second Ammendment rights cannot be controlled by bammycare. Nothing more.
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quote from SHAVAGER:

"YOU GUYS JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU?? THERE IS NO EXISTING FEDERAL LAW THAT ALLOWS WHAT THIS AMENDMENT PROHIBITS--so basically the FEDS are prevented under this Healthcare bill FROM ESTABLISHING ANY NEW LIMITATIONS, RESTRICTIONS OR REGISTRATIONS not already in LAW with passage of this BILL. Congress MUST pass any legislation to attempt registration, limitations, or prohibitions--and any attempts will be met with lawsuits that will go to U.S. Supreme Court.. What does it take for YOU to understand--the Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT--not a collective right that can be limited to all Americans by an act of Congress--IF 99.99% of Americans and OWEbama SUPPORTED GUN BANS--the BILL OF RIGHTS PROTECTS the rights of ALL AMERICANS--down to the SMALLEST MINORITY OF ONE~!!"
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence


I swear this Awr person is either the most disingenuous person alive or is simply incapable of reading.
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Re: Good News!!! OBAMACARE AMENDMENT FORBIDS GUN AND AMMO REGISTRATION
Acting with an assist from CNN, right-wing bloggers and gun advocates in the know, let loose with a tidbit of information they have, no doubt, been long chomping at the bit to unleash—the revelation that there is already a law on the books that would prevent the government from making good on Biden’s tantalizing suggestion, a law that would actually prevent the government from collecting data on firearm ownership and more.

And what might that law be?

Obamacare.

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