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Feinstein bill update!! M14, Mini-14, M1-Carbine, KSG = banned. Unlimited power for the ATF!!

 
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Mike,

I just got off the phone with Feinstein's office. . . I'll give you a rundown of what I learned:

* Semi-auto, fancy hunting rifles are on the exemption list. Staffer said he'd used one last time he went hunting--so much for the idea that politicians and judges that hunt with semi-autos will oppose the ban.

* He specifically brought up the Kel-Tec KSG as an example of something that they wanted to ban even though it's not semi-auto, so even though the bullet points on Diane's website don't mention extended tubes on pump guns or any other features like pistol grips on them, that doesn't mean they're going to be safe if she gets her way.

* They don't know how they're going to set up the NFA regulation for everything--that will be done with the help of an ATF agent coming over from FTB next week. Therefore, no idea if they'll allow standard NFA transfer with $200 tax for those suckers who register their guns.

* The regulations will be a loose set of guidelines giving ATF authority to set it up how they want, so the picture on the 22nd will still just be a partial picture.

As for the lists of features and the specific exemptions and specific bans, they can't release them until the bill comes out, but the staffer said I could ask some specific questions and he'd tell me what he knew:

* KSG--as already mentioned, Banned.

* M1 Garand is probably Safe.

(MBV Note: I'm not so sure since the Garand has a bayonet lug.)

* M1A/M14--Banned.

* Mini-14--Banned.

* M1 Carbine--Banned (hopefully this will upset some Fudds and older vets/collectors).


At first, he thought the M1-Carbine would be safe, but then he googled a picture of it. Basically, if he saw a magazine sticking below the body of the gun, and if it is a semi-auto, it's banned. He did a similar thing with the Garand and was apparently reading the Wikipedia page. His conclusion was that even though the gun was a military rifle, it "looked like you could hunt with it" and was limited in capacity. Apparently it's impossible to hunt with something that has a magazine sticking out the bottom--hey, since I've managed that before, maybe I can divide by zero too... This also showed that he has no conception of how quick it is to reload a Garand by pushing in a new En Bloc.

As for the new features test, flash suppressors and bayonet stubs are off the list, but he couldn't tell me the whole list, and just because a gun doesn't meet the features test doesn't mean it won't be placed on the specifically banned list. E.g., the M1A wouldn't necessarily fall under the ban if the feature's test only included the old features now that flash hider and bayonet stub are off the list, but it makes the specific ban list. I'd guess this will sweep up SKS's, Vz. 52 carbines, Saigas, Vepers, Hakims etc. (Or at least all of them that they actually Google and look at.) Since they have so little firearms knowledge, I would guess that they'll probably toss in a clause stating that ATF or the Attorney General can add items to the list in order to catch the ones they didn't Google (and to be able to expand the ban unilaterally later on.)

The phone call was a showcase of legislative ignorance, and of their disdain for us. The more I pretended not to know much about guns, the more they opened up to me about the law. I got the impression that they plan to go big or go home and to make quite a list of banned guns and features. From a few comments, I think that although bayonet stubs and flash hiders are gone, there may be more features being added to their list.
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GET REAL.

The NRA are a bunch of traitors. They supported the gun bans of 1934, 1968 and 1994.

FUCK EM.
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THIS!!!!!
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this lady is a psychopath and should be arrested for treason
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GET REAL.

The NRA are a bunch of traitors. They supported the gun bans of 1934, 1968 and 1994.

FUCK EM.
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try gun owners of america instead
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"GET REAL.

The NRA are a bunch of traitors. They supported the gun bans of 1934, 1968 and 1994."

NRA seemed to me to have dropped the ball the last time there was a big push. The mantra by the propamedia then was "semi-automatic weapons".

Always felt that the NRA as a whole and LaPierre in particular lost a great opportunity to educate the public while the spotlight was shining their way.

LaPierre in particular seemed to give off a controlled opposition vibe.

AND, another school shooting in California. With a shotgun. Bet Feinstein tries to put that in the ban.

How convenient.
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M1A/M14 might be the finest military rifle the US ever produced...and still in service.
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this lady is a psychopath and should be arrested for treason
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Don't forget her sheer hypocrisy, the hideously fat liberal hunchbacked troll is packing heat herself, go fuck your self feinstein, you hypocrite extraordinaire
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this lady is a psychopath and should be arrested for treason
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This whole administration and half of Congress are guilty of Treason.
They are Communists following the Communist Manifesto to take down the USA.
Do some research and educate yourselves, time is short.
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+1
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Thread: Instead of banning guns, I'd like to see a law banning dual citizens in the US Gov
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She is an outstanding asset and will be rewarded greatly for her compliance in the greater work.
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Divide and conquer.. good work there shill.
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Divide and conquer.. good work there shill.
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Hmm no. The only shills are those pushing for the scumbag NRA.

FACT = NRA has helped pass the gun control laws of 34, 68 and 94.

The NRA is run by a bunch of anti-gun traitors.
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Good God, do these anti-gun retards realize how many mini 14 rifles are out there and 100% of them used for hunting. No pistol grip, just a semi auto with a magazine ??

Much less how many AR10s and AR15s are in circulation ??

If banned they are about to wipe out an entire sub industry.

This will cost thousands of jobs nationwide.
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Good God, do these anti-gun retards realize how many mini 14 rifles are out there and 100% of them used for hunting. No pistol grip, just a semi auto with a magazine ??

Much less how many AR10s and AR15s are in circulation ??

If banned they are about to wipe out an entire sub industry.

This will cost thousands of jobs nationwide.
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Not to mention LIVES from trying to confiscate them.
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+1
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GET REAL.

The NRA are a bunch of traitors. They supported the gun bans of 1934, 1968 and 1994.

FUCK EM.
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clappa

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The mini 14 is an old gun and been around for a long time. I know several people with them and geez they have been in production for 40 years now suddenly no more because of this crap ??

My 90YO dad has one and hunts with it all the time.
Loves it its light, and takes a decently large mag for culling hogs.

I would like to see TPTB trying to take a gun from a 90YO WW2 Veteran - What Assholes.

I think we ought to invent a time machine and send all of Washington into the thick of it in WW1, WW2 and Soviet Russia so they will understand why citizens owning guns are needed.

How about the M1 garands in Korea. There are 250k NOS rifles in crates in S Korea and O wont let them into the country. Now they will be super banned from entry. These NOS would go 99% to collectors for roughly 2.5k each. Thats 625 mil.

These people in the current administration are so fucked up. All they want is to strip every last right we have, tax us to death and force us to pay reparations around the world according to UN treaty.

The UN gun treaty is really the one to watch out for IMO.

I think the FineFart bill will fail or be hammed down to the level of the previous AWB which was not such a big deal.
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Ban Abortion and Government Gun Registration / Confiscation.
Save the innocent Children, Defend them from the Abortionists and the Government that want to kill them with Fluoride, GMO Foods, Chemicals and RX Drugs and Vaccines.

A Slow Kill Bio-Weapon like those listed above is still the major way the Government Eugenicists are Killing Millions of Children and Adults Every Year. Abortion is just the Open in your face we are Killers and don't care what anybody thinks about it, because judges in BLACK robes say it is ok to do.
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When are either of these groups scheduled to meet with Biden and his task force?

Oh, they aren't?

Maybe it's because they have no political power. So, what use are they in trying to prevent new anti-gun legislation?

If you want to support an organization that can actually negotiate with and lobby politicians in Washington, then the NRA is the only game in town.

If you want to prove what a hip, nonconformist you are to your buddies then go ahead and waste your money on GOA or JFPO.
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If I were one of them, wanting to ban all "cool" guns or most of them but not knowing wtf I was doing, I would put out something preliminary, then lurk on sites like this as informed folks discussed the loopholes and workarounds, then that would give me a start on tightening up the text.

Sorry, they may be ignorant but they are not all stupid.

And if we shut up about things here, there are 100 other sites that knowledgeable people use that they can troll and lurk on.
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When are either of these groups scheduled to meet with Biden and his task force?

Oh, they aren't?

Maybe it's because they have no political power. So, what use are they in trying to prevent new anti-gun legislation?

If you want to support an organization that can actually negotiate with and lobby politicians in Washington, then the NRA is the only game in town.

If you want to prove what a hip, nonconformist you are to your buddies then go ahead and waste your money on GOA or JFPO.
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Hmm no. They won't meet with that sack of shit because they won't compromise on the second amendment unlike some people.
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Ban Abortion and Government Gun Registration / Confiscation.
Save the innocent Children, Defend them from the Abortionists and the Government that want to kill them with Fluoride, GMO Foods, Chemicals and RX Drugs and Vaccines.

A Slow Kill Bio-Weapon like those listed above is still the major way the Government Eugenicists are Killing Millions of Children and Adults Every Year. Abortion is just the Open in your face we are Killers and don't care what anybody thinks about it, because judges in BLACK robes say it is ok to do.
 Quoting: Pro Gun Anti Murder 6302433


If a mother wants to kill her baby, it's gonna be hard to stop her. I'm not in favor of loose abortion laws, but still that's the case. And a mother can certainly choose NOT to kill her baby, even if she happens to live right next to Planned Parenthood.

But firearms ownership is a different matter. It's a matter of freedom.