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Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed.[13][14][34]

What we know:
-Jesus existed
-Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist
-Jesus was crucified
-The Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus talked about existed
-Pontius Pilate existed

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i dont think too many people deny the historical existence of the man Jesus.

except the ones who say that Jesus was actually several people all rolled in to one.
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Of course He existed! There are other early historians who don't have books in the Bible (like Josephus and others) who talk about Jesus in their writings! Jesus SPLIT TIME from BC to AD... that's how important He is!!
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Yes. Science has determined that Jesus Christ existed. The problem is that once the existence of Christ was irrefutable, they made the Da Vinci code.

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He saved your soul,what more do you need?
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i dont think too many people deny the historical existence of the man Jesus.

except the ones who say that Jesus was actually several people all rolled in to one.
 Quoting: Oyster


I deny the historical existence of Jesus, as there is not a single shred of evidence that suggests I should even consider doing otherwise.

And yes, the Jesus character is an amalgamation of many gods and god-men that came before, and his story is the same astrology that has been told and retold a hundred different ways. After all, Christianity was invented as the universal ('catholic', literally) religion, to unite and control the Roman empire to a degree beyond the reach of their armies and politicians at the time.

John the Baptist existed, however, and HE is the true 'messiah' (well, as close to one as you're going to find).
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Yes. Science has determined that Jesus Christ existed.
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Bullshit.

Look, if you're going to make stuff up, at least TRY to make it believable.
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Jesus not only existed but he died for all of us sinners and was raised again on the 3rd day, which is why he is the Lord of the living and the dead. King of Kings.

He was Gods son and he knew all truths.


yes he existed.
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Jesus not only existed but he died for all of us sinners and was raised again on the 3rd day, which is why he is the Lord of the living and the dead. King of Kings.

He was Gods son and he knew all truths.


yes he existed.
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That makes no sense. None.

On the third day, he came out, saw his shadow...SIX MORE WEEKS OF WINTER!
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He saved your soul,what more do you need?
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Or...He *can* save you!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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exists
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He saved your soul,what more do you need?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11721381


Or...He *can* save you!
 Quoting: jdb



Ahem..

I invite you all to an unveiling.

Please proceed to the complete end of the thread before speaking.

I ask as a courtesy, since I am the one extending the invitation.

Thread: I am Jesus Christ
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It has been known for some time that the gospels were written over 150 years after the death of Jesus and not one person knows who wrote any of them. Everything in them is a myth or fable. For instance, Jesus spoke Aramaic but the gospels were written in Greek, after last one of them. Explain that. The gospels were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

The gospels are also filled with failure. There are so many varying accounts in them that it is just silly. For instance, Matthew tells us that there were 41 generations from Abraham to Jesus but Luke tells us there were 56. There are varying accounts about who found the grave empty and many, many more discrepancies.

There is no one who knows when Jesus was born. The Encyclopedia Britannica says, "Christians count one hundred and thirty-three contrary opinions of different authorities concerning the year the Messiah appeared on earth." Come on. Someone who is supposedly born of a virgin, raised from the dead, and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON recorded the actual date of his birth OR his death.

The gospels tell us nothing about what Jesus was doing for the first 30 years of his life. Don't you find this at least a little suspicous?

You won't find Jesus stories in your kid's history books. There is a reason for this. Jesus is not a historical character. He is a fictional character or a myth, like Paul Bunyan, but intelligent people should already know this.

Think about Paul's writings, most Xians follow Paul more than they follow Jesus. Paul did not mention one word about the virgin birth, not a word. That is because that story had not been written during the time Paul wrote his Epistles. Paul also mentions nothing about the miracles of Jesus and nothing about his teachings. Paul writes his story about Jesus as if he is a mythical character, not a literal one.

Also, Philo was a renowned writer who lived near Jerusalem before the Jesus era and also he lived for years after the supposed death of Jesus. He was one of the most well known Jewish writers of that time. Yet he mentioned nothing about Jesus, nothing about Herod's massacre of innocent people, nothing at all about any miracles, etc.

People like to mention Josephus but did you know that for 200 years after the death of Josephus, the name of Jesus did NOT appear in anything he wrote? It was all added in later. In other words, it is a forgery. The other few writers that are noted to be secular writers who mentioned Jesus, all lived many years after the supposed death of Jesus. Everything written about Jesus by anyone is all hearsay. There is no proof he ever existed. It would be easier to prove the existance of Hercules.
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I imagine many Christs existed during the Roman Empire... I also imagine Julius Caesar was attributed the status of Christ... he was most likely the anti-Christ of his day, the personification of Mars, the war deity. During the middle ages, the miracles of the true Christs were consolidated under a restructured icon of Julius, ie. Jesus.
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And so did Zeus, and Osiris, and Jupiter, and etc, etc, etc.

We have ancient writings about all of them "Gods" and archeological evidence of their temples and followers. They are all true!
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And so did Zeus, and Osiris, and Jupiter, and etc, etc, etc.

We have ancient writings about all of them "Gods" and archeological evidence of their temples and followers. They are all true!
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good point
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Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed.[13][14][34]
 Quoting: Amilius

Wikipedia now says "While there is widespread scholarly agreement on the existence of Jesus ..."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

What we know:
-Jesus existed
-Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist
-Jesus was crucified
 Quoting: Amilius

Those are believes.

-The Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus talked about existed
-Pontius Pilate existed
 Quoting: Amilius

Now for those we actually have evidence.
book

Of course He existed! There are other early historians who don't have books in the Bible (like Josephus and others) who talk about Jesus in their writings!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4990480

They reported hearsay.
That the believe in Jesus existed is not doubted.

Jesus SPLIT TIME from BC to AD... that's how important He is!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4990480

The Church did that.
Centuries later.
Nobody doubts the historical existence of the Church.
book

Yes. Science has determined that Jesus Christ existed.
 Quoting: Apostle 24606578

Uh, no.
Science deals in facts, there are no facts. Just stories.
book
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It has been known for some time that the gospels were written over 150 years after the death of Jesus and not one person knows who wrote any of them. Everything in them is a myth or fable. For instance, Jesus spoke Aramaic but the gospels were written in Greek, after last one of them. Explain that. The gospels were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

The gospels are also filled with failure. There are so many varying accounts in them that it is just silly. For instance, Matthew tells us that there were 41 generations from Abraham to Jesus but Luke tells us there were 56. There are varying accounts about who found the grave empty and many, many more discrepancies.

There is no one who knows when Jesus was born. The Encyclopedia Britannica says, "Christians count one hundred and thirty-three contrary opinions of different authorities concerning the year the Messiah appeared on earth." Come on. Someone who is supposedly born of a virgin, raised from the dead, and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON recorded the actual date of his birth OR his death.

The gospels tell us nothing about what Jesus was doing for the first 30 years of his life. Don't you find this at least a little suspicous?

You won't find Jesus stories in your kid's history books. There is a reason for this. Jesus is not a historical character. He is a fictional character or a myth, like Paul Bunyan, but intelligent people should already know this.

Think about Paul's writings, most Xians follow Paul more than they follow Jesus. Paul did not mention one word about the virgin birth, not a word. That is because that story had not been written during the time Paul wrote his Epistles. Paul also mentions nothing about the miracles of Jesus and nothing about his teachings. Paul writes his story about Jesus as if he is a mythical character, not a literal one.

Also, Philo was a renowned writer who lived near Jerusalem before the Jesus era and also he lived for years after the supposed death of Jesus. He was one of the most well known Jewish writers of that time. Yet he mentioned nothing about Jesus, nothing about Herod's massacre of innocent people, nothing at all about any miracles, etc.

People like to mention Josephus but did you know that for 200 years after the death of Josephus, the name of Jesus did NOT appear in anything he wrote? It was all added in later. In other words, it is a forgery. The other few writers that are noted to be secular writers who mentioned Jesus, all lived many years after the supposed death of Jesus. Everything written about Jesus by anyone is all hearsay. There is no proof he ever existed. It would be easier to prove the existance of Hercules.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


^this
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Though there is little doubt in my mind that Jesus existed and I really do not need any proof (e.g. historical accounts [link to www.thenazareneway.com] ), the 2 things that seal the deal for me are:

1. The lengths his disciples went to after his death to spread the gospel. All of them were martyred (except John who survived being dunked in boiling oil). Who would do such a thing for someone who never existed?

2. The latest scientific findings concerning the shroud of Turin ( [link to royalheir.blogspot.ca] ). Google "shroud of turin", singularity, event horizon
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"Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed.[12][13][14][15][16][17]"

- [link to en.wikipedia.org]

That's enough evidence for me.
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i dont think too many people deny the historical existence of the man Jesus.

except the ones who say that Jesus was actually several people all rolled in to one.
 Quoting: Oyster


Jesus existed but others also incarnated at the same time frame in the same region causing some confusion. The man that was Jesus was poked in the leg on the cross, and another that was crucified was poked in the chest. That one did die, the actual "jesus" did not die on the cross, it was intentional the poke in the leg and he was removed, rested in the grave of what's his name for 3 days and came out again. Another of those days of confusion was never crucified and went on to teach later in Japan, causing confusion there that perhaps that one was also Jesus.
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The one that was actually "jesus" which Paul provided that name, it was never his name, did not only live, he survived the crucifixion, and traveled and taught, meeting Saul also later in Damascus.
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The one that was actually "jesus" which Paul provided that name, it was never his name, did not only live, he survived the crucifixion, and traveled and taught, meeting Saul also later in Damascus.
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and he is returned at this time to carry forth as he promised long ago. But not by method of birth.
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"There is no God but myself... Knowing this, who dares worship the false Gods of the Koran and Bible?" - Satan, from the Qu'ret Al-Yezid

"I lead to the straight path without a revealed book." Satan, from the Al-Jilwah

"Those who oppose me I afflict with disease..." Satan, from the Al-Jilwah (referring to the J e w s)

GOOGLE SATAN + JOY TO LEARN MORE AND CONTACT SATAN/ENKI
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If a man brings you to water, may you drink it.

If a man teaches you to live from the heart, trust his words.

If a man threatens you to put blind trust into him so that you can plateau in your existence, sit on the couch preaching words from a book, and teach you to ignore our origin until the day he comes and saves you..

Well you have learned all you can from him and this very important topic he really knows nothing about, has actually damned your soul to repeat this hell. Not one that lives in a imaginary space invisible to anyone but sinners.

The heaven is your perfect state of mind.

The Christ is the essence in yourself.

It was meant to be symbolic, and metaphoric, with an incredible amount of intelligence and forethought put in.

Lost in translation.

Ever play telephone with your friends as a kid? Factor in 10 billion people over the past 2000 years. Oh and a indeterminable number of people wanting an advantage over everyone else. Possibly reptiles from space, I'm not sure ;)

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Funny, but true.

Many years ago I went to an office party in the home of a co-worker who had just returned from a visit to the "Holy Land". There must have been between 13-15 people who attended.

In the large living room the extra chairs were place in a circle to connect with the existing furniture. The tourist co-worker had just gotten her pictures back from the developer.

She proceeded to show them to us....and turned to the one next to her and stated what the picture was showing. This person then did the same for the person next to them.

A bunch of pictures were shared in this manner. But I nearly fell off of my chair with laughter when a certain picture was handed to me and the comment was, "This is where they keep the three dead squirrels".

It was a picture of the bldg that houses the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And I'm supposed to trust that the writers of the bible knew what they were talking about?

Nope......jesus never existed. He still doesn't exist, except in the mind of religious and fearful people.


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The question is not whether or not He existed. Roman historical documents verify that. The real question for the world is He who He said he was???
And the answer is YES!!!
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Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed.[13][14][34]

What we know:
-Jesus existed
-Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist
-Jesus was crucified
-The Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus talked about existed
-Pontius Pilate existed

[link to amilius4.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Amilius


Thank you - it is incredible how many try to pass off that Jesus was not and this and that.
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Funny, but true.

Many years ago I went to an office party in the home of a co-worker who had just returned from a visit to the "Holy Land". There must have been between 13-15 people who attended.

In the large living room the extra chairs were place in a circle to connect with the existing furniture. The tourist co-worker had just gotten her pictures back from the developer.

She proceeded to show them to us....and turned to the one next to her and stated what the picture was showing. This person then did the same for the person next to them.

A bunch of pictures were shared in this manner. But I nearly fell off of my chair with laughter when a certain picture was handed to me and the comment was, "This is where they keep the three dead squirrels".

It was a picture of the bldg that houses the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And I'm supposed to trust that the writers of the bible knew what they were talking about?

Nope......jesus never existed. He still doesn't exist, except in the mind of religious and fearful people.


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why you so sure bro?

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