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Raw Helicopter Footage At Sandy Hook

 
katballoo

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Ok guys... go to exactly the 1:22 of this vid..

[link to www.youtube.com]

Do you see the dumpsters at the top?
The area in front of the dumpsters?

Does anyone see any orange street cones?

Because this vid is not matching this pic

[link to cdn1.kevinmd.com]

This is suppose to be taken during the "evacuation"
Yet nothing in the back ground matches the Heli vets from either video.

This pic was during a drill on another day.

They are using it as if it was taken the same day.

This is the ONLY pic we see of kids being evacuated from the scene. No video of a evacuation.
 Quoting: Yuri Gervasii


Good catch!
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01/11/2013 09:27 AM
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I guess that they don't have any video footage of kids being rushed out of the school.

All they have are those still photographs, which is really odd to me.

Someone was there taking still photo's but no video? These days, just about every phone can take a few minutes of video.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


This has always bothered me. We saw them rushing pockets of kids out during Columbine but not here.
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I guess that they don't have any video footage of kids being rushed out of the school.

All they have are those still photographs, which is really odd to me.

Someone was there taking still photo's but no video? These days, just about every phone can take a few minutes of video.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


This has always bothered me. We saw them rushing pockets of kids out during Columbine but not here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19188476


Yep. And Aurora. We saw them carefully evacuate everyone. They confiscated every last phone of every witness in the theater.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Well, is it normal for the grass to be green and the trees to still have their fall foliage in mid-December in Connecticut?

I think this is from a police helicopter.

I remember an interview with a local Fireman.
In his weird discussion with Brooke Baldwin of CNN he says he feels guilty. He also said the first thing he heard
and saw was the helicopters overhead.
He didn't get a call. They weren't CALLING the local first responders.

He also stated that he was surprised it was worse than
he was thinking it was going to be.

His words and actions and Brooke Baldwin's strange behavior.
(She doesn't know what to ask, so there is dead air for a few seconds before she stiltingly asks him what was being said to her in her earphones).

I tried to find this video again yesterday and can't find it.
If anybody saved it it would be nice to see posted.
The Fireman is pretending they have just received 26 wreaths from Oregon. It was a staged interview and extremely awkward.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


I think this is the vid you're talking about:


 Quoting: blind squirrel

WOW, I have never seen that interview before. That is the most awkward video I have seen to date!! That guy seems to really stumble with a lot of answers. He does give his name in the video, hesitantly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30134987


And also, when she's asking him questions, the guy looks up and to his right a lot, which is a good indication that he's making stuff up and not remembering actual events.
 Quoting: Cryin Wont Help Ya


Yeah, his body language is totally off. He just wants out of there, and not because he has anything really pressing to do, he just feels uncomfortable.
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Wish I knew someone who lived in the area to get the buzz. You remember a parent was going to make gingerbread houses with his daughter ? Well there would have been other parents and grandparents there to do that also. What are the lunch ladies saying ? There is usually one or two custodians on site during the day, what did they see and hear ? Also during the holidays the office is busy , sick kids checking out, late kids being checked in by parents, visitors checking in. As a parent we all know this, the office is busy in the morning !!!!! Where are these people ?
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Wish I knew someone who lived in the area to get the buzz. You remember a parent was going to make gingerbread houses with his daughter ? Well there would have been other parents and grandparents there to do that also. What are the lunch ladies saying ? There is usually one or two custodians on site during the day, what did they see and hear ? Also during the holidays the office is busy , sick kids checking out, late kids being checked in by parents, visitors checking in. As a parent we all know this, the office is busy in the morning !!!!! Where are these people ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907170


That was supposedly Chris Manfredonia. He was found in the woods wearing camo pants. The police jokingly referred to him as a 'wood cutter'.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Wish I knew someone who lived in the area to get the buzz. You remember a parent was going to make gingerbread houses with his daughter ? Well there would have been other parents and grandparents there to do that also. What are the lunch ladies saying ? There is usually one or two custodians on site during the day, what did they see and hear ? Also during the holidays the office is busy , sick kids checking out, late kids being checked in by parents, visitors checking in. As a parent we all know this, the office is busy in the morning !!!!! Where are these people ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907170


That was supposedly Chris Manfredonia. He was found in the woods wearing camo pants. The police jokingly referred to him as a 'wood cutter'.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Not to be confused with Chris Rodia.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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In the newspaper article it saids that the ambulances were told to turn around and come back ? Yet there were survivors . It stated no EMT's entered the building. So. Only the Sheriff and his team of 9 actually went inside ? None of this makes any sense. I know you want to preserve a crime scene but this is overdrive. Has anyone been back in the school ? Were teachers allowed to retrieve personal belongings from their class rooms ? Or has this building been closed off forever ?
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In the newspaper article it saids that the ambulances were told to turn around and come back ? Yet there were survivors . It stated no EMT's entered the building. So. Only the Sheriff and his team of 9 actually went inside ? None of this makes any sense. I know you want to preserve a crime scene but this is overdrive. Has anyone been back in the school ? Were teachers allowed to retrieve personal belongings from their class rooms ? Or has this building been closed off forever ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907170


Why such a tight lid on all the info related to the crime when the supposed lone gunmen is dead? There won't be a trial.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I think this is the vid you're talking about:


 Quoting: blind squirrel

WOW, I have never seen that interview before. That is the most awkward video I have seen to date!! That guy seems to really stumble with a lot of answers. He does give his name in the video, hesitantly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30134987


I also am confused by this. If he was working across town when he heard, and already saw the helicopters, that means the first responders got there way late..Doesnt make sense to me at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Hooray Blind Squirrel, thanks for finding it!
I was worried it was gone.

What it shows poster above is that he was assigned to this fire department, yet he was not invited to attend.
Locals were not part of the exercise.
Other poster: This was not on Friday so the Wreaths were
not early.
I just thought it was a blatant tie-in for the viewer to
remember the shooting 3 days prior at Clackamas.

What also strikes me is that he doesn't listen to this on a scanner, but on a radio, where he thinks it has only 3 victims. Even then, why does he go to the Fire Department and when? After his regular job?
And of course, she spins why he feels guilty as to "what could he have done"? When I feel like the source of his "guilt" is regarding the crap being passed off as real
and his role in it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


Is there anybody who lives reasonably close to there, that could go talk to this guy?
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In the newspaper article it saids that the ambulances were told to turn around and come back ? Yet there were survivors . It stated no EMT's entered the building. So. Only the Sheriff and his team of 9 actually went inside ? None of this makes any sense. I know you want to preserve a crime scene but this is overdrive. Has anyone been back in the school ? Were teachers allowed to retrieve personal belongings from their class rooms ? Or has this building been closed off forever ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907170


Why such a tight lid on all the info related to the crime when the supposed lone gunmen is dead? There won't be a trial.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


This is a rural area and my question is if the whole town is under a gag order ? Why has the press left this story alone and now focuses on gun control only? It hasn't even been a month yet. geez the Jon Benett murder had journalist hanging around forever asking questions, talking to friends and family. what happened to journalism and investigative reporting ?
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I agree, this whole thing is very fishy. But to be fair, from about 3.47 in this video when it pans across the car park I can actually see a few police cars there. The guy narrating had pointed out there was only one emergency response vehicle (the fire engine), but that's not right.
katballoo

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There is just more and more as each thing is examined, that shows up.. i read that article linked above, and this part struck me as strange.. well the whole damn thing is strange but this particularly..

"It’s a 2.3-mile drive from the Newtown station to Sandy Hook Elementary School: A left, a right and another right. The first on the scene were nine Newtown officers, divided into three teams of three, including the police chief. They were the first, after the shooter, to force their way into the school, via the front lobby and the rear door.

Inside: silence. The air smelled like the department’s firing range: spent gunpowder.

By that time, 1,000 feet down the road from the school, William Halstead, the chief of Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire and Rescue, knew something was wrong. From his desk, he had heard the sirens as the first squad cars passed — a typical sound for this stretch of Route 6, which connects Newtown’s Main Street with Interstate 84 — but he thought nothing of it until the noise began to compound."

Ok.. so 1,000 feet... and he didnt hear 100+ rounds of a semi automatic gun going off .. it would of echoed nicely from the top of that rise that the school sits on... the fire house and neighbours would of heard the continuous sound of gunfire for the full 4-6 mins it took ..

Yet no neighbours heard these shots.. no one at the fire house heard the shots and went running up the driveway or called police.. not even the students heard 100+ rounds being fired off...

So is that strange.. or is it just me?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31881031


And what is with the "total silence" going into the school? With that many students, and staff, you would think there would have been some kind of pandemonium going on.
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Where SWAT teams brought in from Sparta (Greece)?

Look at the photo in the link. 3rd guy from left. Look at his shoulder patch.

Like it? Available on the web for less than $10....

[link to www.troyrecord.com]

[link to redwolfairsoft.com]
 Quoting: Redcat1


wtf
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I don't believe it. I see it but I dont believe it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19188476


I guess it was the only swat uniforms the actors could find at that time. LOL
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The video was from a fire drill in July by the way. There are obviously a couple shilling idiots spreading dis info in this thread. How much do you liberal agenda agents make to divide people? People please ignore this thread. This is a pure bs post. The op has a langley, va address!
 Quoting: fact master 1071865


Fire drill from July????????? Seriously LOL. I dont know what part of the country you live in but Conneticut in July has green grass, leaves ont he trees and people dont wear jackets in July.
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ALso, the heli pilot says that it's COLD outside. Is it cold outside in July?
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Ok guys... go to exactly the 1:22 of this vid..

[link to www.youtube.com]

Do you see the dumpsters at the top?
The area in front of the dumpsters?

Does anyone see any orange street cones?

Because this vid is not matching this pic

[link to cdn1.kevinmd.com]

This is suppose to be taken during the "evacuation"
Yet nothing in the back ground matches the Heli vets from either video.

This pic was during a drill on another day.

They are using it as if it was taken the same day.

This is the ONLY pic we see of kids being evacuated from the scene. No video of a evacuation.
 Quoting: Yuri Gervasii


Good catch!
 Quoting: katballoo


bsflag
Pause the video at 1:26

You will see the same cars on the right side that you see in the picture. The white one at the end. And look past that and you see the cones, they are on the striped lines around the turn.
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Where SWAT teams brought in from Sparta (Greece)?

Look at the photo in the link. 3rd guy from left. Look at his shoulder patch.

Like it? Available on the web for less than $10....

[link to www.troyrecord.com]

[link to redwolfairsoft.com]
 Quoting: Redcat1


wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31881031


I don't believe it. I see it but I dont believe it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19188476


So that patch is an airsoft fake SWAT patch?? Holy Shit. Also, look at the second guy from the left, what is sticking out from the back of his helmet? Looks like something is photoshopped on.

Also, does his face look like someone who's just been called to the scene of a mass shooting of kids??
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Where SWAT teams brought in from Sparta (Greece)?

Look at the photo in the link. 3rd guy from left. Look at his shoulder patch.

Like it? Available on the web for less than $10....

[link to www.troyrecord.com]

[link to redwolfairsoft.com]
 Quoting: Redcat1


wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31881031


I don't believe it. I see it but I dont believe it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19188476


So that patch is an airsoft fake SWAT patch?? Holy Shit. Also, look at the second guy from the left, what is sticking out from the back of his helmet? Looks like something is photoshopped on.

Also, does his face look like someone who's just been called to the scene of a mass shooting of kids??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31899789


This patch on the "swat" officer's shoulder may be the smoking gun.

Here's what the official Connecticut state police SWAT patch looks like

[link to www.police-patches-collector.com]

and here's a page that shows the patches from EVERY law enforcement agency in Connecticut. That patch on his shoulder is NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.


[link to www.police-patches-collector.com]

It's NOT from ANY Connecticut LE agency.

Busted.
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Ok guys... go to exactly the 1:22 of this vid..

[link to www.youtube.com]

Do you see the dumpsters at the top?
The area in front of the dumpsters?

Does anyone see any orange street cones?

Because this vid is not matching this pic

[link to cdn1.kevinmd.com]

This is suppose to be taken during the "evacuation"
Yet nothing in the back ground matches the Heli vets from either video.

This pic was during a drill on another day.

They are using it as if it was taken the same day.

This is the ONLY pic we see of kids being evacuated from the scene. No video of a evacuation.
 Quoting: Yuri Gervasii


Cones are at 1:29
 Quoting: <<TIMEWATCHER>>



This video was taken AFTER the picture of the 'evacuation' occurred.

How can you tell....shadows....

In 'evacuation' picture shadows are almost exactly parallel to the signage. In the video the shadows have moved to a slight angle. There is no video earlier than the still 'evauation' pictures from what can be gleened using the shadows like a sun-dial.
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Well, is it normal for the grass to be green and the trees to still have their fall foliage in mid-December in Connecticut?

I think this is from a police helicopter.

I remember an interview with a local Fireman.
In his weird discussion with Brooke Baldwin of CNN he says he feels guilty. He also said the first thing he heard
and saw was the helicopters overhead.
He didn't get a call. They weren't CALLING the local first responders.

He also stated that he was surprised it was worse than
he was thinking it was going to be.

His words and actions and Brooke Baldwin's strange behavior.
(She doesn't know what to ask, so there is dead air for a few seconds before she stiltingly asks him what was being said to her in her earphones).

I tried to find this video again yesterday and can't find it.
If anybody saved it it would be nice to see posted.
The Fireman is pretending they have just received 26 wreaths from Oregon. It was a staged interview and extremely awkward.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


I think this is the vid you're talking about:


 Quoting: blind squirrel

WOW, I have never seen that interview before. That is the most awkward video I have seen to date!! That guy seems to really stumble with a lot of answers. He does give his name in the video, hesitantly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30134987
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In the newspaper article it saids that the ambulances were told to turn around and come back ? Yet there were survivors . It stated no EMT's entered the building. So. Only the Sheriff and his team of 9 actually went inside ? None of this makes any sense. I know you want to preserve a crime scene but this is overdrive. Has anyone been back in the school ? Were teachers allowed to retrieve personal belongings from their class rooms ? Or has this building been closed off forever ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907170


Why such a tight lid on all the info related to the crime when the supposed lone gunmen is dead? There won't be a trial.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


This is a rural area and my question is if the whole town is under a gag order ? Why has the press left this story alone and now focuses on gun control only? It hasn't even been a month yet. geez the Jon Benett murder had journalist hanging around forever asking questions, talking to friends and family. what happened to journalism and investigative reporting ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907170


This is not really a 'rural' area. It is very wooded residential area.

Newtown is between Danbury and the Southbury area. There are no large farms or farmland. This is they why when people say the 'missing shooters' in the woods may have been local hunters is simply nuts.

There is no hunting area around there. Its all residential with large lots. Plus - it was not standard (rifle) hunting season in CT at the time - at least for deer - the primary game hunters are focused on.

Hunters, hunting within a mile of a school in a residential area? Nuts.
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Notice swat guy on far left with upside down rifle and how hes handling his pistol. I knew not to csrry guns like that when I was 7 years old
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Image 1... titled "Orientation Lines" [link to imageshack.us]

A 3 picture graphic of screen captures of the Youtube helicopter footage, and 2 from Bing maps of the Sandy Hook school, one a vertical view, the other an oblique view. The red lines connect the same feature as seen in each of the captures.

Image 2... titled "Sun Angle" [link to imageshack.us]

This image uses the same Youtube and Bing maps vertical view captures as seen in the previous image. In the left image, the red lines indicate the start and end points of a standing person. These locations can be eyed relatively accurately and transferred to the right vertical view as indicated by the green lines and red dots. The black line is parallel to an imaginary line drawn through the red dots of the start and end shadow points (so as not to obscure the red dots).

The blue line is drawn north-south as is the north arrow on the right. The angle between the blue and black lines represents the sun's azimuth (by definition the sun's angle from north measured clockwise), resulting in an azimuth of approximately 178 degrees. This is obviously very close to due south, which equally obvious, indicates a time of around noon for the helicopter footage.

More precision can be found by utilizing an azimuth vs. time calculator for specific geographic locations and date. See image 3, Newtown, Dec. 14. [link to imageshack.us]

From this chart, 178 degrees of azimuth puts the time for the helicopter footage around 11:40.

The largest source of error in this analysis is eyeballing the shadow placements on the Bing maps vertical image. Even being off by as much by as 5 degrees (though I'm confident the placements are not this inaccurate) the time of the helicopter footage would still be pinned between 11:20 and 12:00.

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Notice swat guy on far left with upside down rifle and how hes handling his pistol. I knew not to csrry guns like that when I was 7 years old
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Yeah, I posted above how the patch on the third guy's shoulder isn't ANY Connecticut LE patch. It's an AIRSOFT fake SWAT patch that you can buy online.

Busted.
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wtf
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I don't believe it. I see it but I dont believe it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19188476


So that patch is an airsoft fake SWAT patch?? Holy Shit. Also, look at the second guy from the left, what is sticking out from the back of his helmet? Looks like something is photoshopped on.

Also, does his face look like someone who's just been called to the scene of a mass shooting of kids??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31899789


This patch on the "swat" officer's shoulder may be the smoking gun.

Here's what the official Connecticut state police SWAT patch looks like

[link to www.police-patches-collector.com]

and here's a page that shows the patches from EVERY law enforcement agency in Connecticut. That patch on his shoulder is NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.


[link to www.police-patches-collector.com]

It's NOT from ANY Connecticut LE agency.

Busted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31899789


These are a popular internet novelty product....

[link to www.knifecave.com]

[link to www.uspatriottactical.com]


[link to www.tacticaldistributors.com]

[link to compare.ebay.com]


CT State does have camo outfitted teams. But their camo is a lighter shade and more uniform that these guys.

Look here:

[link to i2.cdn.turner.com]

and here

[link to bostonherald.com]

Here is a picture of what looks like actual CT tactical team apparently escorting non-tactical officers. Maybe this this an advance team for the Governor - just a thought. But notice the guys with the rifles. Their weapons are at the ready and they are scanning the environment. They are holding their weapons in a manner that would appear safeties are off and they are fully engaged. Compare this to the rag-tag SWAT team with weapons slung over their shoulder (hopefully with safeties on) and their non-attentive unfocused attitude.

[link to www.advertisernewsnorth.com]

DHS Exercise, drill or the real thing...the guys in this picture are ready and not taking anything for granted.

Same apparently real team is in this picture. Again, they look serious and focused.

[link to static2.businessinsider.com]
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The short guy on the left is holding his hand gun so its pointed at the guy behind him. the gun looks fake, and he has no holster for it. It looks like they just threw the pack on a regular guy and tried to have him fit in.
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I don't believe it. I see it but I dont believe it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19188476


So that patch is an airsoft fake SWAT patch?? Holy Shit. Also, look at the second guy from the left, what is sticking out from the back of his helmet? Looks like something is photoshopped on.

Also, does his face look like someone who's just been called to the scene of a mass shooting of kids??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31899789


This patch on the "swat" officer's shoulder may be the smoking gun.

Here's what the official Connecticut state police SWAT patch looks like

[link to www.police-patches-collector.com]

and here's a page that shows the patches from EVERY law enforcement agency in Connecticut. That patch on his shoulder is NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.


[link to www.police-patches-collector.com]

It's NOT from ANY Connecticut LE agency.

Busted.
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These are a popular internet novelty product....

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CT State does have camo outfitted teams. But their camo is a lighter shade and more uniform that these guys.

Look here:

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and here

[link to bostonherald.com]

Here is a picture of what looks like actual CT tactical team apparently escorting non-tactical officers. Maybe this this an advance team for the Governor - just a thought. But notice the guys with the rifles. Their weapons are at the ready and they are scanning the environment. They are holding their weapons in a manner that would appear safeties are off and they are fully engaged. Compare this to the rag-tag SWAT team with weapons slung over their shoulder (hopefully with safeties on) and their non-attentive unfocused attitude.

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DHS Exercise, drill or the real thing...the guys in this picture are ready and not taking anything for granted.

Same apparently real team is in this picture. Again, they look serious and focused.

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Yeah, those guys at Sandy Hook WERE NOT real state SWAT team members. Actors, every one of them. YOu can tell by their uniforms.
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Wish I knew someone who lived in the area to get the buzz. You remember a parent was going to make gingerbread houses with his daughter ? Well there would have been other parents and grandparents there to do that also. What are the lunch ladies saying ? There is usually one or two custodians on site during the day, what did they see and hear ? Also during the holidays the office is busy , sick kids checking out, late kids being checked in by parents, visitors checking in. As a parent we all know this, the office is busy in the morning !!!!! Where are these people ?
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Outstanding question, and you are absolutely 1000% percent correct. Even high school main lobby's are busy during this time of year, and definitely elementary schools between sick kids leaving, kids late because of doctors/dentist/orthodontist appointments, parent volunteers, parents coming in for IEP meetings with staff, etc. Mornings are especially very hectic for most elementary school offices.

They did mention one parent was supposedly in a meeting with the school psychologist, did they ever interview her? I remember hearing about it once, then nothing afterwards. This parent would have seen or heard a lot, seeing that the principal and psychologist left the meeting with her to find out what was going on when the gunman first came in the building. That's the only person, though, that they mentioned being there in terms of parents or volunteers besides gingerbread Dad who took off running into the woods instead of staying with his kid and protecting them (please tell me what parent does that?), and there hasn't been any articles or interviews with her ever since.
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Re: Raw Helicopter Footage At Sandy Hook
Notice swat guy on far left with upside down rifle and how hes handling his pistol. I knew not to csrry guns like that when I was 7 years old
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No shit...you'd never do something that if you are trained. He's too casual about it. The people around you would be real quick to point it out also...IF they were trained properly.

What is on the face of that first on left guy anyway?

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