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Glimpes into a Mystery - The True Reason and True Power of the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ

 
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I got this in an email and just had to share it. Reading this explained so much for me. It gave me peace. I hope it does the same for many of you who take the time to read it.


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By Andre Rabe On December 27, 2012

I have glimpsed into a mystery and its beauty has captivated my gaze. Never will I see anything the same again. It hides in the ordinary; takes cover under that which is plainly seen, and conceals itself in what we assume we know the best.

Whenever I have failed to see it, it was because I looked for it too far away. The brilliance of its disguise, is the fact that it is so near. But its nearness is also what makes it so accessible. The mystery revealed, is Christ in you. (Col 1:26,27)

You are invited to look with me into a portion of this mystery: the cross of Jesus Christ.

Why the cross?
Why such a horrific violent death?
Why such a costly sacrifice?

Let’s first examine where the practice and concept of sacrifice come from.

The practice of sacrifice seems to be universal, and all seem to begin with violent human sacrifices. Many historic studies confirm the widespread practice of human sacrifices across many cultures. These studies together with many legends and myths reveal the following basic storyline:
During a time of crisis within a community, the social order becomes disturbed, conflict grows, turmoil escalates … until a scapegoat is found.

All the ills and disturbances are blamed on this victim. Such communities becomes blinded by their own confusion, their own violence, and collectively condemn and murder the victim.

The effect of the joint persecution and murder is almost magical. Old enemies are reconciled as they find a new joint enemy and release their anger on him or her. Their blood-lust is satisfied, the conflict subsides and the social order is restored.

In many cases the effect is so great that the sacrifice becomes revered as sacred and consequently becomes part of religious practice. Myths develop. The concept of angry gods, appeased by sacrifices becomes widely accepted. The community remains blind to the fact that it was their own violence and their own evil that murdered an innocent victim.

However, the real problem that originally caused the crisis, soon surfaces again, and so more sacrifices are needed. But maintaining a human sacrificial system is difficult and costly, consequently humans are substituted with animals and often animals are substituted with food and drink. This is basically how sacrificial systems developed. An informative study on this scapegoating principle can be found in Rene Girard’s book: The Scapegoat.

Unfortunately these myths of angry blood-thirsty gods, who demand sacrifices, have had greater influence upon christian understanding of Christ’s sacrifice, than what we realize.

Much teaching that goes under the banner of ‘Christian’ promotes the idea of a ‘just’ and therefore wrathful god who simply can’t get over our sin; a god who demands blood to appease his sense of justice. Indeed God is just, but not in the limited way we have often described His justice…

Ancient Jewish ritual of atonement:

To understand the sacrifice of Jesus in context, lets begin by looking at the ancient Jewish ritual of atonement.
Once a year the high priest would prepare himself to enter the most holy place.

The Holy of Holies was not simply another religious place – it was beyond space and time; it was the place where the Creator himself dwelt. As such, it contained a microcosm of creation and was the place from which all of creation began and from where all of creation was sustained in existence.

The high priest would prepare himself by sacrificing a bull and a calf for the cleansing of his own sin. He would then put on a brilliant white robe, together with a small leather box tied around his forehead and arms with the name YHWH contained in it. This would signify his transformation into the angel or messenger of the Lord and interestingly, one of the names of this messenger was: ‘the Son of God’!

From this moment onwards, the high priest acted, not on behalf of the people, but on behalf of YHWH.

Two lambs were chosen and prepared for sacrifice. The first lamb was known as ‘the Lord’ and the second as ‘Azazel’ or ‘the Devil’. The high priest, acting as ‘the Son of God’ would take the first lamb, ‘the Lord’, with him into the holy of holies and sacrifice it there, sprinkling its blood on the mercy seat between the Cherubim angels.

This microcosm of the universe, would thereby be cleansed from all the impurities that gathered there.

The act of atonement was an act initiated, performed and completed by the Lord himself, by YHWE Himself. The saying “Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord” is a reference to this rite of atonement. When YHWE himself completed the act of atonement, through his own sacrifice, he would then come out of the Holy of Holies, sprinkling the rest of the blood and so cleanse the rest of the temple.

It was God emerging from the Holy of Holies, forgiving, cleansing and restoring His creation. He would then put the accumulated impurities and sin onto the head of ‘Azazel’. This ‘scapegoat’ would then be driven out of the camp, over a ledge and killed, symbolizing the taking-away of the people’s sins.

The rite of atonement was therefore the exact opposite of the the rites of sacrifice initiated by men. YHWE does not need to be bribed, appeased or persuaded to be good to us. He takes the initiative to sacrifice Himself and in so doing invalidate each and every sacrifice we could make.
Jesus’ act of Atonement.

Jesus did not come to give us a theory of atonement, He came in the name of the Lord to enact atonement. In the incarnation He begins this work of at-one-ment with humanity. He is the ‘Lamb of God’ who comes, not to change God’s mind about us, but to change our minds about God. He does not come, like every other imaginary deity, demanding a sacrifice, rather, He comes supplying the sacrifice in His own person.

The cross does not satisfy the anger of God, it satisfies His most holy love. The self-sacrifice of Jesus reveals that God is not the bloodthirsty deity we imagined. It was humanity that murdered him. We were the angry deities that needed to be satisfied. Humanities violence is exposes by the cross.

In this act, in which He allows evil to do its worst to Him, He exposes and thereby destroys evil.
God is not bound to the limitations of our narrow ideas of strict justice.

He is not interested in getting even; He is interested in saving and bringing healing – a restorative justice that far outweighs a retributive justice.

His justice is served not by forcefully subjecting us to himself, but by exposing himself willingly and in the most vulnerable state, to the greatest injustice. And when evil and injustice did their worst to him, he responded with forgiveness and salvation.

“He was despised and rejected by men, a man of suffering who knew what sickness was. He was like someone people turned away from; He was despised, and we didn’t value Him.

Yet He Himself bore our sicknesses, and He carried our pains; but we in turn regarded Him stricken, struck down by God, and afflicted. But He was pierced because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; punishment for our peace was on Him, and we are healed by His wounds.”
(Isaiah 53:3–5 HCSB)


Humanity despised and rejected Him, He responded with adoration and acceptance.

We did not value Him, but turned away from Him. He responded by placing the highest value on us and pursuing us to the greatest depth.

The affliction and pain we caused Him, exposed our sickness. Yet, He responded with healing and comfort.
And it was our same sick mindset that thought His death was his just reward, a punishment given by God. All we saw was another guilty scapegoat. We did not recognize that it was us punishing God. It was in our blindness, that we pierced and crucified our Maker.

He responded by making us whole, giving us peace.

He came, not as the persecutor, but as the persecuted.

He came, not as the judge, but as the one being judged.

He sided with the victims, with the outcasts, for this was the only way to heal both the perpetrators and the victims.

It is the very myth that violence can overcome evil, that is debunked by Jesus. He overcomes violence, not by greater violence, but by self-sacrificing love.

On the night before his execution, at the meal in the upper room, Jesus specifically reverses our substitutions of bread and wine offerings, with Himself. He declares that the bread is His body and the wine is His blood. He places the original human sacrifice back in the place of the symbols and thereby shows that at the heart of the sacrificial system is a human sacrifice, violently murdered.

This action has a double meaning. It exposes the evil of the human violence, the domination system, and simultaneously reveals the depth of God’s self-sacrificial love.

What God communicated in the Word that became flesh in Christ Jesus, is the unveiling of how He wants His kingdom to come – a kingdom that is not enforced on anyone, but a logic, a word, that enters into the the very heart of the conflict and contradiction of human life and brings its peace there.

Resurrection life is the kind of life that can even enter death and be victorious there. The only way He ever wants to bring all things into subjection to Himself, is from the inside out through willing participation, for it is God who is at work within us both to will and to do His good pleasure. (Phil 2:13)

He became the ultimate scapegoat to expose the fallacy of our sacrificial systems. The fallacy that our conflict and disorder is the fault of the scapegoat. Like the many scapegoats before Him, His sacrifice brings temporal reconciliation of old enemies: “That very day Herod and Pilate became friends. Previously, they had been hostile toward each other.”
(Luke 23:12 HCSB).

In the resurrection Jesus is vindicated by God as being blameless. As such He reveals the innocence of all our scapegoats … and in so doing exposes the real source of our evils! The source of our conflict, our problems, our evils, is not our conveniently chosen scapegoats, neither is it an angry god.

In the violence of the crucifixion, we are faced with our own violence, our own evil, a blameless scapegoat and consequently, no one else to blame. But in the same act of atonement, He also reveals our forgiveness and consequently, our innocence.

If God was in any way vindictive or revengeful, the resurrection would have been the ideal opportunity to get even. But instead, in the resurrection we meet our victim coming towards us with open arms, and forgiveness in His eyes. In the resurrection, the One we murdered comes to us with the gift of new life. Such lavish grace unsettles mankind, because it does not fit into our structures of justice, vengeance, or punishment.

The depth of the meaning of the cross, means that we have only started to scratch the surface of its meaning, but lets try and summarize what we have seen so far.

The cross was not necessitated by an angry revengeful god.

Neither was the cross the necessary payment to satisfy a god who is bound by a sense of justice that demands blood.

In other words, the idea that God is a judge who just couldn’t get over our sin, is replaced with the revelation that God is a Father, who simply couldn’t get over His children.

It is God who takes the initiative to identify with us to the uttermost, and in doing so, bring healing to both the victims and the perpetrators of evil. Jesus reveals a God who would rather go to hell than live without you.

Jesus did not solve our problems by waving a magic wand from afar. He entered into the middle of the conflict, stepped into the domain of contradiction, entered our hell, faced death itself and from there He conquered.

He saves whatever He becomes. His method of salvation is not by unattached legal judgements, neither is atonement achieved by abstract theories of exchange, rather, it is by His very at-one-ment with humanity, that He forges a unity with us even in our most desperate and ugliest state, and in doing so, He brings the saving knowledge of a loving Father.

The depth of His identification with you, reveals that He knows you, He understands you better than you understand yourself. He is fully aware of every details of your life … and He loves you.

He is not uninvolved or unaware. The incarnation is the event in which God demonstrates His union with your humanity, with all its challenges and contradiction … bringing His peace to you, no matter what circumstances you find yourself in.

He demonstrates the robustness of His life, not by avoiding death, but by entering into the heart of it, and there in the midst of the greatest contradiction He bursts forth into resurrection life.

The cross shatters our illusions – our illusions about ourselves, our illusions about our victims, our illusions about God.



"Finally brothers and sisters, whatever is TRUE, whatever is HONORABLE, whatever is JUST, whatever is PURE, whatever is LOVELY, whatever is COMMENDABLE, if there is any EXCELLANCE, if there is anything WORTHY of PRAISE, THINK OF THESE THINGS."

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May the eyes of our understanding be opened.


Peace!

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This is such a powerful message!

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I've seen many people posting at times about how horrible it is that God sacrificed His own Son and how He is a vengeful deity with blood lust.

This post has such a deep insight into this and I think it answers the critics that just want to "God-hate".

Unfortunately, those that need to hear this message probably won't even read it.

And if they do, they will read it with bias and predisposed negativity.

I posted this because I felt a deep moving in my spirit to do so. It's truth and powerful, therefore I know there will be a battle to keep this on the front page.

So if I'm bumping this, you know why.

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Where are all the God lovers.... and haters?

No comments??? Wow. People are either dead or lazy.

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Well, it's really late over here in the land of Oz. 4:45am.

Gotta get offline.

I tried.

Maybe someone will pick this is up but my main hope is that whoever this was posted for.... got it... and it blessed them.

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Clicked out and saw the 1 star bandit has struck.

Wow, the spiritual battle heats up when you post some truth.... not "truther" stuff or truth about the lies... but truth about the real truth.

Someone is working so that this won't be seem methinks....

G'night GLPeople! I'm out....
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3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.



May your message penetrate the hearts and minds who love and look forward to our Blessed Hope!
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3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.



May your message penetrate the hearts and minds who love and look forward to our Blessed Hope!
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I just LOVE that passage of scripture! Thanks for contributing to my thread! Karma for you!
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One last bump just in case there is one more person that needs to read this.....

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GOOD Post OP!

We must remember what Jesus told us:



Matthew 7:14


But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

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GOOD Post OP!

We must remember what Jesus told us:



Matthew 7:14


But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it
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How true. Those on that narrow path need to go out into the broad path and lead others and show them where the narrow gate is.

Sadly once that happens, the gate is so narrow and they have so much stuff, many walk away preferring the broad path.
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I was going to go to bed, but I just feel so moved to keep this thread going on the front page.

One last shot at it. I changed the title.....

God loves humanity. They misunderstand Him. They do not see His heart. They twist His motives.

How I wish I had the words or wisdom to help people understand.... and to straighten out the crooked perceptions created by the serpent and his minions.

Forgive them Father, they know not what they do. They are blinded by the enemy and cannot escape.

Please release those that are willing!

This is my prayer....
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I was going to go to bed, but I just feel so moved to keep this thread going on the front page.

One last shot at it. I changed the title.....

God loves humanity. They misunderstand Him. They do not see His heart. They twist His motives.

How I wish I had the words or wisdom to help people understand.... and to straighten out the crooked perceptions created by the serpent and his minions.

Forgive them Father, they know not what they do. They are blinded by the enemy and cannot escape.

Please release those that are willing!

This is my prayer....
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Amen and Amen!

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Absolutely beautiful, wonderful post OP. I am sure you will be blessed for posting it and sharing with others. This has ministered to me tremendously. I can't thank you enough!
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Absolutely beautiful, wonderful post OP. I am sure you will be blessed for posting it and sharing with others. This has ministered to me tremendously. I can't thank you enough!
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You will be in my prayers!

May the rain come and you be blessed!

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Absolutely beautiful, wonderful post OP. I am sure you will be blessed for posting it and sharing with others. This has ministered to me tremendously. I can't thank you enough!
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Then maybe this is why I fought to keep it up on the front page!

banana2

That's all I wanted, was to bless some people with it the way it blessed me.


It really helped me understand in a deeper way how Christ's sacrifice was an act a of love. I knew this, but it helped me understand at a deeper level.

It also exposes the violence and sin in mankind. Which is a necessary point that people need to have the eyes of their understanding opened to before they can truly experience the truth of what our LORD is trying to convey to us in His salvation plan.

It's pride that blocks. It's pride that blinds. It's sin that causes guilt and it's guilt that makes people run away from the true light.

Selah.
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I got this in an email and just had to share it. Reading this explained so much for me. It gave me peace. I hope it does the same for many of you who take the time to read it.
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Snipped the blood-thirsty, metaphysical, pagan idolatry which resulted in the Holocaust.

Jesus was murdered for one reason and one reason alone:

He taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', which is why he was hated by both the Sadducees and the Pharisees.

Had he taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead' (Chapter 20:38 of the Gospel of Luke)-Pharisaical doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, the "synagogue of Satan" Pharisees would not have wanted him dead.

What you apparently do not understand is that the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" transforms every Christian into a potential crucifier:

If you knew that you would go to hell for eternity without the "vicarious atonement" of Jesus for your sins, you would be required to crucify Jesus yourself in order to get into heaven.

This is the person that you Christians claim to love more than anyone; a person you would be willing to torture to death yourself in order to get into heaven.

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Absolutely beautiful, wonderful post OP. I am sure you will be blessed for posting it and sharing with others. This has ministered to me tremendously. I can't thank you enough!
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Then maybe this is why I fought to keep it up on the front page!

banana2

That's all I wanted, was to bless some people with it the way it blessed me.


It really helped me understand in a deeper way how Christ's sacrifice was an act a of love. I knew this, but it helped me understand at a deeper level.

It also exposes the violence and sin in mankind. Which is a necessary point that people need to have the eyes of their understanding opened to before they can truly experience the truth of what our LORD is trying to convey to us in His salvation plan.

It's pride that blocks. It's pride that blinds. It's sin that causes guilt and it's guilt that makes people run away from the true light.

Selah.
 Quoting: Mr_Electric



It is just like when we turn on the light, the dark goes away...


When the Light of GOD comes upon Mankind only those who know that light will come...Most are in darkness run away...


There are alot of people here that have the light of GOD

Sadly most are in the dark and they keep running away..


We will will keep praying for those to come to the light!

hf
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Absolutely beautiful, wonderful post OP. I am sure you will be blessed for posting it and sharing with others. This has ministered to me tremendously. I can't thank you enough!
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Then maybe this is why I fought to keep it up on the front page!

banana2

That's all I wanted, was to bless some people with it the way it blessed me.


It really helped me understand in a deeper way how Christ's sacrifice was an act a of love. I knew this, but it helped me understand at a deeper level.

It also exposes the violence and sin in mankind. Which is a necessary point that people need to have the eyes of their understanding opened to before they can truly experience the truth of what our LORD is trying to convey to us in His salvation plan.

It's pride that blocks. It's pride that blinds. It's sin that causes guilt and it's guilt that makes people run away from the true light.

Selah.
 Quoting: Mr_Electric



It is just like when we turn on the light, the dark goes away...


When the Light of GOD comes upon Mankind only those who know that light will come...Most are in darkness run away...


There are alot of people here that have the light of GOD

Sadly most are in the dark and they keep running away..


We will will keep praying for those to come to the light!

hf
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They will not come "into the light" for fear that their deeds will be exposed as evil.

That fear of being exposed of evil is deeply related to guilt.

The blood of bulls and goats was not enough to cleanse the conscious of the worshiper according to the book of Hebrews.

Only the blood of Christ can heal and cleanse, but many do not even know what that means. They think it's gory and blood lust.

This is why I wanted to post this so that others may understand.

IGNORING THE GOSPEL and the GOD WHO CREATED YOU is not an effective way to cleanse your guilt.

And... you can't run from the conscience that God placed in every person. You must deal with it.

Many deal with it by just ignoring and hardening their hearts.

How sad, when the Creator has made all things new through HIS OWN SACRIFICE.... reaching out to you to show you that the law (letter) kills but the Spirit gives life.

The law delineates what is good and righteous, but it also is there to show you that you have the infection of sin in your mind and life.

It was necessary to illuminate sin for what it is, but it also condemns.

God in His grace also paid the legal fees (penalty) HIMSELF to show you His love.

I just wish people could understand.

These conspiracies that have been hidden and now are being released into public view are having an effect on people. It is causing them to not trust anything.

You're not figuring anything out, you're taking the bait.

A poison designed to destroy your trust.

It's a catch-22 because at the same time, we need to expose the lies in order to help people see the truth.

The effect of exposing all this stiff is disillusionment and in that disillusionment many cannot recover from it to ever trust the actual truth ever again.

This is a heated battle my friends.

DO YOU SEE IT?
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Only the blood of Christ can heal and cleanse, but many do not even know what that means. They think it's gory and blood lust.
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I know what it means alright.

It means that you do not have ONE clue as to the Doctrine that Jesus taught that caused him to be so hated by the Jewish religious 'authorities'.

There is a word for the doctrine that you teach.

It's called Satanism.

The evidence for which is Christian anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.

Look, OP, just be honest with yourself:

If you were told that you would go to hell for eternity unless you yourself nailed Jesus to the cross, you would nail Jesus to that cross in a heartbeat.

To show Jesus how much you LOVE him.

Christian theology leaves you no choice.

Michael

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Only the blood of Christ can heal and cleanse, but many do not even know what that means. They think it's gory and blood lust.
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


I know what it means alright.

It means that you do not have ONE clue as to the Doctrine that Jesus taught that caused him to be so hated by the Jewish religious 'authorities'.

There is a word for the doctrine that you teach.

It's called Satanism.

The evidence for which is Christian anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.

Look, OP, just be honest with yourself:

If you were told that you would go to hell for eternity unless you yourself nailed Jesus to the cross, you would nail Jesus to that cross in a heartbeat.

To show Jesus how much you LOVE him.

Christian theology leaves you no choice.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


That is a twisted statement designed to pull people's minds away from the truth of this post.

The holocaust and anti-semitism have NOTHING to do with what I posted.

You are a shill and a distractor and anyone with eyes to see can see through what you're trying to put forth here.

Nice try, but no bone.

You should pray that God opens the eyes of your understanding to the glorious light of the Gospel.

There is no contradiction between the old and new covenants. There is only one rock and one savior and if you have seen Christ, you have seen the Father. They are one.

The 2 sticks shall be joined together as one. You do not perceive the wisdom of God and you are dangerously close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
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Only the blood of Christ can heal and cleanse, but many do not even know what that means. They think it's gory and blood lust.
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


I know what it means alright.

It means that you do not have ONE clue as to the Doctrine that Jesus taught that caused him to be so hated by the Jewish religious 'authorities'.

There is a word for the doctrine that you teach.

It's called Satanism.

The evidence for which is Christian anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.

Look, OP, just be honest with yourself:

If you were told that you would go to hell for eternity unless you yourself nailed Jesus to the cross, you would nail Jesus to that cross in a heartbeat.

To show Jesus how much you LOVE him.

Christian theology leaves you no choice.

Michael
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How long have you been taking anti-depressants?
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AMEN!

And he remains our salvation today.
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Only the blood of Christ can heal and cleanse, but many do not even know what that means. They think it's gory and blood lust.
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


I know what it means alright.

It means that you do not have ONE clue as to the Doctrine that Jesus taught that caused him to be so hated by the Jewish religious 'authorities'.

There is a word for the doctrine that you teach.

It's called Satanism.

The evidence for which is Christian anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.

Look, OP, just be honest with yourself:

If you were told that you would go to hell for eternity unless you yourself nailed Jesus to the cross, you would nail Jesus to that cross in a heartbeat.

To show Jesus how much you LOVE him.

Christian theology leaves you no choice.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


How long have you been taking anti-depressants?
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Seriously!!
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Wow, worked so hard to get this pinned the other day to no avail....

Just posted "seriously" to a post and now it gets pinned?? LOL

Thanks!!!!

hf

Guess perseverance really pays off!!

Such a great message though!!!

Bring on the Hater-Tards.....
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Wow, worked so hard to get this pinned the other day to no avail....

Just posted "seriously" to a post and now it gets pinned?? LOL

Thanks!!!!

hf

Guess perseverance really pays off!!

Such a great message though!!!

Bring on the Hater-Tards.....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


It's "pin-worthy".......LOL.

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Beautiful!

The Mystery of the Cross and the Sacrafice that reconciled Mankind to GOD....


The Greatest Gift ever!

Praise GOD for he is worthy!!!
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1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

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