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Theories and Guesses on Sandy Hook (Principal Hochsprung and Natalie Hammond)

 
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We know initial reports from the Sandy Hook shooting were posted, quoting DECEASED PRINCIPAL Hochsprung, stating what she witnessed, which were later scrubbed.

We know principal H and SURVIVING WOUNDED TEACHER Natalie Hammond came from the same meeting room, while the others in that room stayed behind and saw nothing.

Could it be, that the principal was supposed to live and miss Hammond was supposed to die?

It could explain why NO MEDIA has gotten ANY COMMENT OR STATEMENT, either verbal or written, from miss Hammond.

We heard that she was wounded but at the hospital expected to survive. After that I can't find any updates on her at ALL, no comments ffom her family, nothing. WHERE IS SHE? Why isn't the media clamoring for her comments? Is she being held somewhere "in protective custody" or not allowed to comment on what she saw? Because she saw multiple shooters?

Try googling "Natalie Hammond" and use advanced search tools to find articles in the last 24 hours or last week with any updates on her. Nothing.
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hm, really, no theories on this?

anyone able to find any info on miss Hammond???
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Someone in another thread suggested running the names in the CT state database to see if their names come up along with the amount of money they contributed to their pension. Just out of curiosity I tried that and the site is frozen. I do recall someone posted an entire thread related to that, but then it fell back into oblivion. I was on the "transparency" website for the state, I know that was right, but the site has something wrong with it, or it has been overloaded with requests, because it just seems all jammed up when I tried to run their names through. If S.H. is a public school, and not private, shouldn't their names come up, and shouldn't they belong to the teachers union, except maybe for the principals, they should belong to a union, no?
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They may or may not belong to a union.

I left our educational union when they started supporting the Wisconsin legislators who ran out of state to avoid a vote.
It is not easy to leave a teachers union, but you can.

It is indeed STRANGE to have not heard some sort of updates about Natalie Hammond.

And I saw the Bee's story with its interview of the Principal right after the shooting. Bizarre, sloppy journalism to say the least,
or exactly what the OP is saying . . she wasn't expected to die.

This thread deserves more attention.
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Sloppy, all the way around. People deviated from their scripts, the news outlets were sloppy. It's a big enough mess that even the sheep are getting suspicious.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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Sloppy, all the way around. People deviated from their scripts, the news outlets were sloppy. It's a big enough mess that even the sheep are getting suspicious.
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it's just gonna require police officers getting suspicious enough to request a search warrant and re-open the case.

lots of connecticut state & local police need to be arrested for falsifying evidence and lying in a criminal proceeding. its very simple - they need to be indicted, arrested, brought to trial, stripped of their badges and probably sentenced to years in prison.

and the world will be a much nicer place.
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I dont know if sandy hook was a false flag or some derranged individual who decided to kill a load of kids, but I know this.

It doesnt make any difference if sandy hook was a false flag for this reason. There is enough evidence out there on the Internet to arrest, charge and prosecute government officials for a host of illegal murders, theft and breach of trust through lies.

We need to concentrate on what we can prove beyond any doubt whatsoever if we have any chance of defeating these criminals once and for all.
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I dont know if sandy hook was a false flag or some derranged individual who decided to kill a load of kids, but I know this.

It doesnt make any difference if sandy hook was a false flag for this reason. There is enough evidence out there on the Internet to arrest, charge and prosecute government officials for a host of illegal murders, theft and breach of trust through lies.

We need to concentrate on what we can prove beyond any doubt whatsoever if we have any chance of defeating these criminals once and for all.
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but if there is enough indication to determine that it IS likely a false flag... well, there IS a paper trail, so to speak, or more likely a digital footprint / breadcrumbs.

the more we can piece together the narrative of what truly happened (which we deserve to know as issues of gun control and security are clearly important to all, no matter your feelings on them.. we deserve to know the facts of crimes that happen in our country with full transparency and proof, because the people now expect nothing less.

i am very skeptial of conspiracies and this whole web site, but i am trying to show my girlfriend something is wrong with this situation. maybe just pure coincidence of horrible police work, blatant miscommunications recorded via officials, witnesses, family, reporters... if so someone should be held accountable. at the worst, something more sinister and even more deserving of attention...an orchestration by powerful individuals for their own agenda.

it is sad that offering a critical eye to this tragedy is seen as insensitive and psycho, rather than out of love for the victims and for their true story to be told. to me the victims deserve nothing less than closure which can only come after obvious questions are answered. and there is no reason not to answer them if your story checks out. it reeks. if people are digging for explanations and none are given, gag orders are issued... you have to question why they are needing that much time. you have to question why they have done things unconventionally EVERY step of the way even after reported drills.

thanks for all your comments.

-the OP

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"the more we can piece together the narrative of what truly happened"

^ oops, i meant to say the more we can piece together the narrative of what truly happened, the more justice can truly be done in honor of the victims. i would hate to be a parent of a kid and have this happen, then somehow hopefully begin to cope and deal over the years... then later find out that it did not happen as described. if lanza truly did it all and acted alone exactly as described (well, when we ever get anyone official to confirm a final story and wont for a while longer), then show us the proof and the weapons and explain who else was taken into custody and why they were released. if he was set up or had assistance "on the inside" or who somehow got away, either of his own cunning or by favors from those in power (whoever that is), then that needs to come out as soon as possible before the intensity of what happened is forgotten about (hey, you know it has fallen off quickly from the media.

more on topic of the original thread, i can see some intern at the newtown bee being the only one who knew how to publish a blog ... accidentally jumped the gun without knowing the deaths did not play out as planned and reported that someone dead was still alive and giving fictional quotes of that person..... how does that happen... if it was an error of someone just getting the names wrong (innocent mistake, rookie move but innocent mistake), they would have posted a correction and an edit to the blog , RE-ATTRIBUTING THE QUOTE TO THE RIGHT PERSON. "XXXXX XXXXXXXX was the real person who said this, not Dawn Hochsprung, who was tragically slain while heroicly attempting to intervene with the definitely lone gunman who had no outside help by anyone's eyewitness acount, we promise. We are deeply sorry for the error."
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also... i dont understand these people who some are calling out as being actors from some crisis actors group... you are severely misunderstanding the weirdness that is going on with these people involved with sandy hook. gene rosen to me does not seem like any pro actor.

he and others seem like real people of a small town that white people will love to feel sympathy for and who will be really scared by all these shootings. who have been coerced or threatened into giving a false story and who are a combination of emotionally shaken by the events, under the stress of coercion, and also NOT good actors or naturally bad at lying but forced to.. how else can you explain gene rosen's story changing so many times, for example.

to me he looks like a sad old man who could have had his grandson threatened or himself, who thinks he knows how to act but doesnt, who is either throwing out conflicting tales to being peoples attention to the details and covertly reveal whats going on... or who is just under such pressure that he mis remembers the details of the story he was given.

i see no way a real man like that, of sound mind anyway, could mis remember the genders and amount of people involved on his lawn... who would not immediately think of the fire house he sees daily and take the kids there right away. or have on record calling 911 and let's hear the full audio and time stamp. lets get the names of all 6 kids. lets see how long the phone records prove he called all their parents. do kids like that have id on them in case of emergency? if not, maybe they didnt know their parents numbers or parents were unreachable at work, etc...
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to me mr carver is another example of one who is giving very strange reports and answers at his press conference.... it makes no sense that he did not know the # of deceased. he is in charge of these casualties. can you believe it? he HAS to know the true # of dead, if anyone knows it would be him. for him to say he does not know.. the only explanation i can come to is that he is a real, proven, non actor medical examiner who is being forced into giving vague answers and not knowing the number of deceased, in case stories dont add up and the wrong # of kids are unaccounted for. the fewer instances of different numbers of dead reported, the easier it is to blame media error and blogger conspiracy
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hm, really, no theories on this?

anyone able to find any info on miss Hammond???
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Never heard of her.
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The Victims deserve the Truth of WHO ACTUALLY murdered them.
That is our Concern.
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EXCERPT FROM CNN.COM POSTED DEC 18, 2012.

LINK IS [link to www.cnn.com]

EXCERPT : "Hochsprung heard the loud pop. She, school psychologist Mary Sherlach and Vice Principal Natalie Hammond went to investigate.
They were acting as the first line of protection and paid heavily for it. Only Hammond returned from the hallway alive -- but not unscathed.
Along with Hochsprung, 47, and Sherlach, 56, four teachers perished.
Victoria Soto, 27, moved her first-grade students away from the classroom door. The gunman burst in and shot her, according to the father of a surviving student."
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NEWTOWN -- Natalie Hammond was probably cracking jokes Friday morning when she went to a staff meeting in the principal's office at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Hammond, described Monday by her best friend as "one of the funniest people on the planet," would have been feeling good because it was her daughter Kayla's 12th birthday.
Hammond, the recently promoted lead teacher at the school, is one of two wounded survivors of the nightmare that befell Sandy Hook on Friday.

At about 9:30 a.m., she ran out of a meeting with Principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Sherlach. They came face-to-face with 20-year-old Adam Lanza, who had just shot his way into the school with a high-powered semiautomatic rifle.
Lanza's burst of fire killed Hochsprung and Sherlach. Hammond was shot in the foot, leg and hand, but managed to crawl to safety behind a door. Lanza then went down the hall to two classrooms, where he killed 20 children and four teachers.

Ten minutes later, Lanza fired a bullet into his own head.
Hammond's survival is hailed by her friends as a miracle.
Prior to the shooting spree, Lanza killed his mother, Nancy, with a handgun from the legally obtained arsenal of weaponry she kept in the house they shared.
Hammond is "just an incredible person ... a great mom,'' said Anika Sonski, of Naugatuck, Hammond's best friend of 22 years, a roommate and sorority sister at Gettysburg College where Hammond earned an elementary education and sociology degree in 1994. "It's impossible to have an interaction with her and not laugh. And she's incredibly caring.''
Before her promotion this year, Hammond was a third-grade teacher at the school for about a decade, Sonski said. Her career was on the rise, with her intent to undergo the extra education needed to become an elementary school principal, she said.
"We're just blessed she's still with us,'' Sonski said.
David Verespy, Hammond's classmate at St. Joseph High School in Trumbull, said word that Hammond was a shooting victim spread quickly through their tight-knit alumni group. He described Hammond as "a very sweet person.''
Sonski said she learned of the shooting late that morning. At work in Waterbury, Sonski said she heard there was a shooting in Newtown, but never imagined her friend might be in danger as she works in a neighborhood school.
Then, as more fragments of the tale were assembled, she suddenly feared for her friend's life.
"I felt helpless," Sonski said.
Later that afternoon, she received texts from Hammond's husband, Jerry, and parents, George and Rita Green, of Southbury, that confirmed she was wounded but alive.
"And then I kind of lost it,'' Sonski said.
Not until she was able to speak and touch her Saturday did she really believe her friend had survived.
"I felt I could exhale again,'' Sonski said.
To protect Hammond's privacy and that of her family, Sonski will not talk about her condition, prognosis or where she is being treated -- her family is in a self-imposed seclusion due to the barrage of media that has surrounded them. Sonski said she knows only the barest details of what occurred. Their visit was about a special sisterhood, and her desire to laugh with her friend once again.
The two met just before their freshman year. Hammond was attending volleyball camp. Sonski was an early arrival.
"We hit it off right away, and we've been best friends ever since,'' said Sonski, herself a mother of two young girls.
Outside the schoolhouse, Sonski said her friend is a "total outdoor freak.''
Sonski said her best friend loves to go camping; Hammond's husband, Jerry, is a fisherman, and she loves to race mountain bikes.
Sonski admitted such excursions make her cringe. To humor her friend, she went mountain biking with her once some time ago in Danbury. "And that was enough for me,'' Sonski said.
Once her friend is back in action, Sonski might change her tune. And she has no doubt her friend will recover.
The when is not as important as the will, she said.
"She has amazing fight, and she'll attack it. It will be a daunting task, for sure. But she's still here.''


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another gag order? barrage of media? the media virtually dropped the story of this woman, we dont know if shes in a coma or coherent, nobody is honoring her as a hero, people dont even know she exists. yet it sure sounds like with a person that popular you would at least receive word that the person is stable or critical, etc. someone would leak it, family.. staff.. someone.
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Who is the other wounded survivor alleged by the State Police to be?

I heard them say two survivors but I only ever see the alleged wounds of Hammond.
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hammond is named... but i have yet to see any pic of her released. the 2nd survivor is "unnamed" and nobody ever questioned that. hammond is never heard from. by some accounts she has "a gunshot", then the police say she has injuries limited to the lower extremities (AKA the legs, sorry if thats obvious but it does not include the arms or hands). then she is reported to have at least 3 gun shot wounds, the foot, the leg, and the hand, all through a door while holding the door shut. how do you shoot someone beind a door in the foot and possibly the hand, yet never shoot at their head or chest? what? if you play that many video games you head shot . sounds callus but true. by all accounts he spent a great number of bullets
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where oh where has she gone? maybe hanging with the janitor in witness protection on a nice island. or maybe gotten rid of. maybe never existed. all equally likely based on the lack of evidence and reporting we have. how did the media lose interest in these 2 key witness/survivors? golly that's odd. nobody clamoring for interviews? no chopper video of her getting stretchered out of the school by EMTs? i guess she evaporated off the scene into thin air along with the 600 kids, all evading cell phone photo and video , and with none of the living or deceased teachers or staff in ANY of the school except one ever called 911 including miss H.... would be interesting to see all the 911 logs for the day. is that info publicly available?
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False Falg established. Now on to identification and location of players for reciprocity. Pics show refreshments in the Fire House, St. Rose of Lima 2nd set. Guns Bad
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False Falg established. Now on to identification and location of players for reciprocity. Pics show refreshments in the Fire House, St. Rose of Lima 2nd set. Guns Bad
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Thread: Sandy Hook Hoax -> Final Nail into the coffin!
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And now she comes out of no where to drop the puck to start the Bruins game tonight. Is it a coincidence she raised the puck and the camera zoomed in enough on it to see the "scar" she had from supposedly being shot in the hand. Not buying it.
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here is the original hammond, she looks older here, paler skin, rosy cheeks.

[link to en.paperblog.com]

the new hammond looks younger and tanned for her media debut!

I think the only way to get the truth out of someone like Hammond is to pay her off with more money than the group that did this and offer a better witness protection program than the feds have, like shipping a Sandy Hook whistle blower to switzerland or somewhere safe to live the rest of their days wealthy from winning the Sandy Hook Whistleblower prize: the first person from the inner circle of the Hoax to speak up with credible evidence exposing the group who planned the hoax/shooting wins a million dollars and a house in Swiss Alps!
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here is the original hammond, she looks older here, paler skin, rosy cheeks.

[link to en.paperblog.com]

the new hammond looks younger and tanned for her media debut!

I think the only way to get the truth out of someone like Hammond is to pay her off with more money than the group that did this and offer a better witness protection program than the feds have, like shipping a Sandy Hook whistle blower to switzerland or somewhere safe to live the rest of their days wealthy from winning the Sandy Hook Whistleblower prize: the first person from the inner circle of the Hoax to speak up with credible evidence exposing the group who planned the hoax/shooting wins a million dollars and a house in Swiss Alps!
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Good catch. Notice how grainy the pic is? We got Super Hi Def. now and that is what they come up with? OK, like three weeks later when the local news was still milking it; they showed a segment of that teacher leading the children across the parking lot, and then in the back ground they pixled out the larger brown building on top of the hill. Why would they do that? Unless it was filmed at St. Rose of Lima school as well?