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Sandy Hook - The Legend of Kaitlin Roig ----Updated 2-13-13

 
Gladio (OP)

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This will get it's own thread in a moment, but I believe those invited to the State of the Union are REAL people who were really relative long-termers in Sandy Hook, and attached to the school.

Now, before you flip, I subscribe 100% to the theory that this whole thing is a government psyop.

But...these are the ones the government TURNED...i.e. they took the money, and did their "job" in exchange. That is why these were the ones that were invited to D.C. for the big event, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ACTORS brought in without any local credentials.

Get it? These are the ones who TPTB will point to as "PROOF" that we are all nuts.

Be careful with Roig. I believe she is a set up for the patriot community.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810909


Thanks for your observations.

There is definitely something strange about Roig, her interview w/ Sawyer, the lack of infor mation generally on her on the web.

I spent some time looking at the 'kaitlin roig is a hero' fb page. The first comment posted was on Dec. 14, 2012 at 8:25pm.

The vast majority of comments on there are from strangers, with mostly praise for Roig's heroics. A few of the more recent ones are of a more skeptical nature, however. I can't say I examined every single post, as there are thousands, but I did not see any from close friends, family, or locals.

The 'kaitlin mary r.' account is strange. If you are inclined, go look at it and see for yourself. The picture the white house put on its site regarding Roig's appearance at the SOTU is identical to one on this fb account, with friends cropped out.

Newtown school website lists her as a teacher, so the possibility of her being a ficticious person is remote.
 Quoting: Gladio


Not to say this is what happened (just mulling over possibilities), but how do we know the names and dates of their employment haven't been planted? If the hidden hand wanted to put these people into place in readiness for Operation Sandy Hook, you'd think it'd be easy enough for them to go to the computer system and enter in a name and date to back up their operative.
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This is a site that locals tap for information on school events, etc. Planting a fake name there wouldn't go unnoticed by the locals.
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has anyone else heard the claim that the bathroom door [being designed with kids in mind] had a lock release lever on it, so it could be opened from outside?

if that's the case, it would appear to take a serious shit on KR's story.
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has anyone else heard the claim that the bathroom door [being designed with kids in mind] had a lock release lever on it, so it could be opened from outside?

if that's the case, it would appear to take a serious shit on KR's story.
 Quoting: a passing cloud


There's this:

"Lanza then turned toward the first classroom on his left, that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. By then, authorities said, Roig had hidden with her students in a closet in her classroom. Before securing the closet door, which opened inward, authorities said she concealed the door behind a movable bookcase"

[link to www.courant.com]
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I might get flamed for this BUT anyone notice on this pinterest account that someone kindly posted on here (sorry I forgot your name) BUT the first four letters of the name is LIES...just thought it was odd

[link to pinterest.com]
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Authorities said that Roig hid the children in a closet. Roig herself said a bathroom. It's a mix-up in information. Perhaps she hid them in both the bathroom and the closet?
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Trying to have it both ways again, eh Paid Shill?
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


I'll admit there MAY be a conspiracy here, but trying this hard to find one makes me think you might be a disinfo agent.
 Quoting: Paid Shill


Can't argue on merits, so you resort to that.

What disinfo am I spreading? I'm citing reports from well known and respected news agencies.
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From what you just wrote its pretty obvious. Yet another shill
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...

There's this:

"Lanza then turned toward the first classroom on his left, that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. By then, authorities said, Roig had hidden with her students in a closet in her classroom. Before securing the closet door, which opened inward, authorities said she concealed the door behind a movable bookcase"

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


but how you could block a door, and hide behind after?
or where was she?
the bookcase was in the closet?
and what about the story with the cops and the keys?
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I might get flamed for this BUT anyone notice on this pinterest account that someone kindly posted on here (sorry I forgot your name) BUT the first four letters of the name is LIES...just thought it was odd

[link to pinterest.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12655659



For me the most curious is that Vicki Soto
[link to pinterest.com]
has Donna Soto and Erika Soto, but no other sisters or brother. Like for twitter, it looks they were not loving sister.

[link to www.facebook.com]
and how to make this fb of Vicki Soto work?

but this is Roig thread... maybe not the good place.
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Trying to have it both ways again, eh Paid Shill?
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


I'll admit there MAY be a conspiracy here, but trying this hard to find one makes me think you might be a disinfo agent.
 Quoting: Paid Shill


Can't argue on merits, so you resort to that.

What disinfo am I spreading? I'm citing reports from well known and respected news agencies.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


From what you just wrote its pretty obvious. Yet another shill
 Quoting: SnakeBite 33142471


When I say "well known and respected" news agencies, I'm using a bit of sarcasm. Yes, they're well known, of course. Respected? By some.

I'm not going to go to too great lengths to convince you or anyone else what I'm all about.
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I'll admit there MAY be a conspiracy here, but trying this hard to find one makes me think you might be a disinfo agent.
 Quoting: Paid Shill


Can't argue on merits, so you resort to that.

What disinfo am I spreading? I'm citing reports from well known and respected news agencies.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


From what you just wrote its pretty obvious. Yet another shill
 Quoting: SnakeBite 33142471


When I say "well known and respected" news agencies, I'm using a bit of sarcasm. Yes, they're well known, of course. Respected? By some.

I'm not going to go to too great lengths to convince you or anyone else what I'm all about.
 Quoting: Gladio


Paid Shill is a Paid Shill ... don't waste your energy on them you are doing great ... bless up !
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"and what about the story with the cops and the keys?"

if what was said about the bathroom door design is correct, there would not have BEEN keys, because there'd be no standard lock there to open with them.

this COULD be why roig never gave interviews after the diane sawyer thing- she opened a can of worms with her improv routine, and was threatened.

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where's holden? and jive dirty jive [535]?

they're my favorite shills.
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That Liesl buechler fressola wrote a book with a colleague, I found the link to the book its very interesting.. she wants Christmas out of the classrooms and it talks about guns and how the her colleague was startled and didn't like how the children wanted cops to have "bigger guns"ect ect..page 154..I wanted to copy and paste but it won't let me. check it out.

[link to books.google.com]
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That Liesl buechler fressola wrote a book with a colleague, I found the link to the book its very interesting.. she wants Christmas out of the classrooms and it talks about guns and how the her colleague was startled and didn't like how the children wanted cops to have "bigger guns"ect ect..page 154..I wanted to copy and paste but it won't let me. check it out.

[link to books.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12655659


Oh and it also talks about how the children talked about M-16's and how she didn't like that
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That Liesl buechler fressola wrote a book with a colleague, I found the link to the book its very interesting.. she wants Christmas out of the classrooms and it talks about guns and how the her colleague was startled and didn't like how the children wanted cops to have "bigger guns"ect ect..page 154..I wanted to copy and paste but it won't let me. check it out.

[link to books.google.com]
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make screen caps!
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That Liesl buechler fressola wrote a book with a colleague, I found the link to the book its very interesting.. she wants Christmas out of the classrooms and it talks about guns and how the her colleague was startled and didn't like how the children wanted cops to have "bigger guns"ect ect..page 154..I wanted to copy and paste but it won't let me. check it out.

[link to books.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12655659


make screen caps!
:D
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I can do that, I can use photobucket! I'll do that
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Here is the link to an album with the screen shots of the book that the sandy hook teacher Liesl and a colleague wrote..the gun part about it the reason why Im posting, I find it odd..

[link to s1086.beta.photobucket.com]
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Here is the link to an album with the screen shots of the book that the sandy hook teacher Liesl and a colleague wrote..the gun part about it the reason why Im posting, I find it odd..

[link to s1086.beta.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12655659


actually this is the link to the first page of the part of the book they released. [link to s1086.beta.photobucket.com]
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This will get it's own thread in a moment, but I believe those invited to the State of the Union are REAL people who were really relative long-termers in Sandy Hook, and attached to the school.

Now, before you flip, I subscribe 100% to the theory that this whole thing is a government psyop.

But...these are the ones the government TURNED...i.e. they took the money, and did their "job" in exchange. That is why these were the ones that were invited to D.C. for the big event, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ACTORS brought in without any local credentials.

Get it? These are the ones who TPTB will point to as "PROOF" that we are all nuts.

Be careful with Roig. I believe she is a set up for the patriot community.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810909


Thanks for your observations.

There is definitely something strange about Roig, her interview w/ Sawyer, the lack of infor mation generally on her on the web.

I spent some time looking at the 'kaitlin roig is a hero' fb page. The first comment posted was on Dec. 14, 2012 at 8:25pm.

The vast majority of comments on there are from strangers, with mostly praise for Roig's heroics. A few of the more recent ones are of a more skeptical nature, however. I can't say I examined every single post, as there are thousands, but I did not see any from close friends, family, or locals.

The 'kaitlin mary r.' account is strange. If you are inclined, go look at it and see for yourself. The picture the white house put on its site regarding Roig's appearance at the SOTU is identical to one on this fb account, with friends cropped out.

Newtown school website lists her as a teacher, so the possibility of her being a ficticious person is remote.
 Quoting: Gladio


Not to say this is what happened (just mulling over possibilities), but how do we know the names and dates of their employment haven't been planted? If the hidden hand wanted to put these people into place in readiness for Operation Sandy Hook, you'd think it'd be easy enough for them to go to the computer system and enter in a name and date to back up their operative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34002428


This is a site that locals tap for information on school events, etc. Planting a fake name there wouldn't go unnoticed by the locals.
 Quoting: Gladio


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't mean they suddenly just popped her name in the newsletter even though she'd never actually "worked" there. I'm saying just what if she isn't really a teacher, but the people behind the scenes have manipulated the records to give her qualifications. If this was a fake incident, they could've had her "working" at the school as a teacher, biding their time until the big day. They may have had some "plants" in amongst real staff.

I still think it's suss that any info on the school itself, or any info on the Facebook pages, only seems to go back as far as 2011. The Kaitlin Mary R. page was started in 2004, but apart from one post in 2009 there is nothing until quite recently; almost as if activity was suddenly ramped up prior to the big event to make the page look more legit.

Last week I listened to an interview with a British barrister, Michael Shrimpton, about the paedophile ring that's being investigated in Britain at the moment. He made a reference in the interview to Sandy Hook having been carried out by members of a Mexican drug cartel. He said it almost in passing. I don't know where he gets his info from or how accurate that is. But say if that were true, I find it interesting that we have two teachers here with the surnames "Roig" and "Soto" (which I believe are Spanish/Mexican/Puerto Rican names).
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AC 2428, I'll have to check out the interview you refer to if I can find it.

The British pedo scandal deserves a thread of its own.
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AC 2428, I'll have to check out the interview you refer to if I can find it.

The British pedo scandal deserves a thread of its own.
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I'm pretty sure that's it. Like I said, it's in the middle of the interview somewhere or towards the end and he throws it in there almost matter of factly.
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...

There's this:

"Lanza then turned toward the first classroom on his left, that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. By then, authorities said, Roig had hidden with her students in a closet in her classroom. Before securing the closet door, which opened inward, authorities said she concealed the door behind a movable bookcase"

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


but how you could block a door, and hide behind after?
or where was she?
the bookcase was in the closet?
and what about the story with the cops and the keys?
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


She said in the interview that she hid with them in the bathroom - not a closet. Why does it keep saying closet? Anyway, the door opened into the bathroom, so she pulled the bookcase in front of the doorway after they were all packed in there and closed the door. Of course, if he decided to shoot at that door, they'd all be dead inside the room. Doubt that the door and wall was bullet proof.
Even if the door did not lock, she could sit up against it from the inside. Whoever had the gun could have shot out the door lock anyway.
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...

There's this:

"Lanza then turned toward the first classroom on his left, that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. By then, authorities said, Roig had hidden with her students in a closet in her classroom. Before securing the closet door, which opened inward, authorities said she concealed the door behind a movable bookcase"

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


but how you could block a door, and hide behind after?
or where was she?
the bookcase was in the closet?
and what about the story with the cops and the keys?
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


She said in the interview that she hid with them in the bathroom - not a closet. Why does it keep saying closet? Anyway, the door opened into the bathroom, so she pulled the bookcase in front of the doorway after they were all packed in there and closed the door. Of course, if he decided to shoot at that door, they'd all be dead inside the room. Doubt that the door and wall was bullet proof.
Even if the door did not lock, she could sit up against it from the inside. Whoever had the gun could have shot out the door lock anyway.
 Quoting: DiamondGal


Why does a venerable daily Connecticut newspaper say 'closet'? Rush to judgement? Fog of war? Confusion due to all the stress, blah blah blah?

The article cited is from Dec. 23, nine days after the Sandy Hook event.
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me, i've listen 5 time and i still cant picture the scene in my head.

1. she lock the door

2. she put children in closet

3 she put something behing the door of the classroom

4. she go in closet

5. she close the closet door with key

6. she waits

7 cops knock the door of the closet

8 she asks for ID under the door

9 she says if you are cops you must have the key

10 they have the key

i am right?
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me, i've listen 5 time and i still cant picture the scene in my head.

1. she lock the door

2. she put children in closet

3 she put something behing the door of the classroom

4. she go in closet

5. she close the closet door with key

6. she waits

7 cops knock the door of the closet

8 she asks for ID under the door

9 she says if you are cops you must have the key

10 they have the key

i am right?
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


You've gotten at something that nagged at me some time ago--the cops knocking at the door. I think she didn't actually say the "door of the closet," did she? Didn't she just say "the door?" Does it make sense that the closet door would have a key? It might, but which door was she referring to that the cops wanted open--the classroom or the closet? They would have had to get a key for the classroom door, AND the closet door.
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And if they had already used a key to get into the classroom, why would she not assume they were cops at that point?

I guess I don't know how big the rooms are, but if she was being super quiet, wouldn't she hear them using the key to get in the classroom door, and then be less suspicious by the time they came to the closet door?

Her report struck me very much as referring to the *classroom* door when she said she was asking for ID and saying they must have a key. I wonder if this is a slip up--i.e. since she's not recalling an actual scenario, her logic tripped up on the door(s) issue.
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Not to say this is what happened (just mulling over possibilities), but how do we know the names and dates of their employment haven't been planted? If the hidden hand wanted to put these people into place in readiness for Operation Sandy Hook, you'd think it'd be easy enough for them to go to the computer system and enter in a name and date to back up their operative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34002428


This is exactly what would be done.
Why, nowadays this is how people trust and verify. They consult a a remote server, the PHP/ASP/Ruby/etc running on the server queries the backend SQL database and spits out the results.

“Hey, it has a website, it must be a functioning school…”
“See, it lists Roig as a teacher right there on the website, and Soto as an intern, ergo, they must therefore exist as flesh-and-blood people…”

Some time ago, a true reporter or journalist would've needed to pick up the phone and contact a receptionist somewhere, who would have had to then lie. The people required to be involved in a conspiracy like this years ago would have had to have been a ridiculously large number.

Today, however, when verification of events, by a dumbed-down populace, consists of consulting a Governmentally-Pre-Packaged Video News Story supplied by AP/Reuters, — independently backed by nothing more than faceless Twitter feeds and creepily shallow public Facebook pages displaying photos, badly-Photoshop’ed, yet invariably featuring the same professional-quality bokeh filter applied to the out-of-focus background as is seen in every photo from AP, Getty Images, etc… — well then events like this are, in fact, easier to pull off than ever before.
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How big is the classroom bathroom?
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This person ( [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] ) bears a strong resemblance to Kaitlyn Roig if you color her hair blond. Her name is Rebekah Fernandez. Her previous name was Rebekah Wheeler. She is FB friends with a Benjamin Wheeler (which happens to be the name of one of the boy victims). She is from Denver, Colorado where the Crisis Actors are based. She also was a theater teacher in Aurora, CO. She studied theater in college and I would assume she is an actress. Just some interesting thoughts.
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How big is the classroom bathroom?
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I had bathrooms in my classrooms for kindergarten and first grade. From what I can remember of them, they were a little bigger than half-bath in a residential home - a toilet and sink with probably enough space for a wheelchair to maneuver - so maybe somewhere around 5'x5'? It would be a tight squeeze, but I think it would be possible to cram 15 small children into one of these.

Now, getting all of those children hidden in the bathroom before the shooter(s) walked past the classroom? I'm not sure how she managed that one. It seems like the shooter(s) may have skipped her class for some reason.
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This person ( [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] ) bears a strong resemblance to Kaitlyn Roig if you color her hair blond. Her name is Rebekah Fernandez. Her previous name was Rebekah Wheeler. She is FB friends with a Benjamin Wheeler (which happens to be the name of one of the boy victims). She is from Denver, Colorado where the Crisis Actors are based. She also was a theater teacher in Aurora, CO. She studied theater in college and I would assume she is an actress. Just some interesting thoughts.
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It's her. I've said it from day one I saw the YT-video about RF.

One more thing - on her FB-profile it says that she works as a theatre teacher at Aurora Fox Theatre. In Aurora, Colorado.

They have always had a sense of humor.
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This person ( [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] ) bears a strong resemblance to Kaitlyn Roig if you color her hair blond. Her name is Rebekah Fernandez. Her previous name was Rebekah Wheeler. She is FB friends with a Benjamin Wheeler (which happens to be the name of one of the boy victims). She is from Denver, Colorado where the Crisis Actors are based. She also was a theater teacher in Aurora, CO. She studied theater in college and I would assume she is an actress. Just some interesting thoughts.
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And she likes Newtown and Sandy Hook Elementary Snowflake Drive...

A joke, right??
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It's her. I've said it from day one I saw the YT-video about RF.

One more thing - on her FB-profile it says that she works as a theatre teacher at Aurora Fox Theatre. In Aurora, Colorado.

They have always had a sense of humor.
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I know, right?

This whole production is so full of subtly bleak humor, like something the Coen Bros. would come up with–
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