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Sandy Hook - The Legend of Kaitlin Roig ----Updated 2-13-13

 
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According to THIS article, she barricaded the CLASSROOM door with the bookshelf!

Also...if you read this, the family says that their piano teacher's son was killed. Who was that?

Also, they seem to imply that she put ALL the kids on the toilet (LOL). I realize this is just poorly stated. I mean I hope:

"She reacted so fast. She crowded 14 of them in a tiny space and made them stand on the toilet. She got them all in there.
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There's this:

"Lanza then turned toward the first classroom on his left, that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. By then, authorities said, Roig had hidden with her students in a closet in her classroom. Before securing the closet door, which opened inward, authorities said she concealed the door behind a movable bookcase"

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but how you could block a door, and hide behind after?
or where was she?
the bookcase was in the closet?
and what about the story with the cops and the keys?
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She said in the interview that she hid with them in the bathroom - not a closet. Why does it keep saying closet? Anyway, the door opened into the bathroom, so she pulled the bookcase in front of the doorway after they were all packed in there and closed the door. Of course, if he decided to shoot at that door, they'd all be dead inside the room. Doubt that the door and wall was bullet proof.
Even if the door did not lock, she could sit up against it from the inside. Whoever had the gun could have shot out the door lock anyway.
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Why does a venerable daily Connecticut newspaper say 'closet'? Rush to judgement? Fog of war? Confusion due to all the stress, blah blah blah?

The article cited is from Dec. 23, nine days after the Sandy Hook event.
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[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

According to THIS article, she barricaded the CLASSROOM door with the bookshelf!

Also...if you read this, the family says that their piano teacher's son was killed. Who was that?

Also, they seem to imply that she put ALL the kids on the toilet (LOL). I realize this is just poorly stated. I mean I hope:

"She reacted so fast. She crowded 14 of them in a tiny space and made them stand on the toilet. She got them all in there.
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good question, who is piano teacher?

But if we have difficulties to understand what she did, when we listen her word by word. journists must have too. Many mistake could come from this.

Also, it's impossible for her to say: i was a coward, i peed in my pants and kids were brave than me.
media need heroes.
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but how you could block a door, and hide behind after?
or where was she?
the bookcase was in the closet?
and what about the story with the cops and the keys?
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She said in the interview that she hid with them in the bathroom - not a closet. Why does it keep saying closet? Anyway, the door opened into the bathroom, so she pulled the bookcase in front of the doorway after they were all packed in there and closed the door. Of course, if he decided to shoot at that door, they'd all be dead inside the room. Doubt that the door and wall was bullet proof.
Even if the door did not lock, she could sit up against it from the inside. Whoever had the gun could have shot out the door lock anyway.
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Why does a venerable daily Connecticut newspaper say 'closet'? Rush to judgement? Fog of war? Confusion due to all the stress, blah blah blah?

The article cited is from Dec. 23, nine days after the Sandy Hook event.
 Quoting: Gladio

 Quoting: Gladio


Come on... Why debate the meaning of words? It is obvious for a kid that she is lying. Watch her. No tears, but the rest of the face says she is crying her brains out.

Google "the physiology of tears" or something. If your emotions lead to every autonomic response that you see in the face of KR, then you ALWAYS produce tears wether you want it or not... It is like trying to block your patellar reflex when the doctor tap the tendon with his hammer.
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She said in the interview that she hid with them in the bathroom - not a closet. Why does it keep saying closet? Anyway, the door opened into the bathroom, so she pulled the bookcase in front of the doorway after they were all packed in there and closed the door. Of course, if he decided to shoot at that door, they'd all be dead inside the room. Doubt that the door and wall was bullet proof.
Even if the door did not lock, she could sit up against it from the inside. Whoever had the gun could have shot out the door lock anyway.
 Quoting: DiamondGal


Why does a venerable daily Connecticut newspaper say 'closet'? Rush to judgement? Fog of war? Confusion due to all the stress, blah blah blah?

The article cited is from Dec. 23, nine days after the Sandy Hook event.
 Quoting: Gladio

 Quoting: Gladio


Come on... Why debate the meaning of words? It is obvious for a kid that she is lying. Watch her. No tears, but the rest of the face says she is crying her brains out.

Google "the physiology of tears" or something. If your emotions lead to every autonomic response that you see in the face of KR, then you ALWAYS produce tears wether you want it or not... It is like trying to block your patellar reflex when the doctor tap the tendon with his hammer.
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maybe she cried so much, her lacrymal glands were dry?

no.. i have the same feeling... she is maybe blonde but not completly stupid. she knows where is her interest.

If you watch her at SOTU, she did her perfect victim face... and on fb pix.. some minutes before or after, big smile!
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I don't know if she's naturally blond. The rest of her coloring doesn't strike me as naturally blond. I doubt it matters, other than than when looking for any of her (just theorizing here) alternate identities.
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And she's obviously been re-blonded/extra-blonded for the D.C. appearance, lol. Not that I wouldn't be tempted to do same!
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One thing that is notable is the lack of attention paid to Roig in the local press. Look at this headline from the Newtown Bee regarding the guests at the SOTU:

Llodra, Local Detectives, A Student All Guests At State Of The Union

[link to newtownbee.com]
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I have a feeling that all these newspapers/websites are just watching her Diane Sawyer interview and printing what THEY got out of it, not even thinking "Wait, she pulled a bookshelf in front of a bathroom door, with a bunch of kids in it who are standing on the toilet, and then shut the lights out and came in with them, and then comforted them in the dark by bending down and asking to see their smiles? HUH? And then police officers came in and shoved their badges under the bookshelf and door? Wait, what?"

Also, if you don't think too much about any of this, it's a nice story and there isn't much to question. It's easy to just think, "Oh, she probably meant she pulled the bookshelf in front of the class room door, that must be what she meant." And you write the story on your assumption. It's when you start to really think that it goes haywire. Why didn't anyone call her up and ask her what she meant?

I can imagine not wanting to GRILL this traumatized woman over the details in an investigative manner, but you could say, "Honey, I don't follow exactly, can you tell me again, where was the bookshelf? And how long do you think you were in there?"

Perhaps that's what we should be investigating. When did journalists turn into parrots?
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So, why ISN'T anyone doing another interview with her?

This is ridiculous, she is a national treasure! And she's being ignored. My gosh, you'd think she'd have been on ALL the talk shows, Ellen, late night, etc. She looks like she'd LOVE to be on TV, she's gorgeous and she's well dressed and her fb page is public so we know she's not ultra shy - this doesn't make sense.
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I've heard several teachers say the classroom doors had to be locked from the outside; does anyone else find this rather insane?

Didn't SH just go through a big revamp (not to mention multiple massive drills that summer) in security? One teacher (sorry, don't remember if it was Roig) tearfully said that the doors locked from the outside, so the janitor (risking his life, implied) locked all the doors for them.

What good is a school lockdown if you can't safely look your own classroom door?
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Sorry, "...can't safely lock your own classroom door?"
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I have a feeling that all these newspapers/websites are just watching her Diane Sawyer interview and printing what THEY got out of it, not even thinking "Wait, she pulled a bookshelf in front of a bathroom door, with a bunch of kids in it who are standing on the toilet, and then shut the lights out and came in with them, and then comforted them in the dark by bending down and asking to see their smiles? HUH? And then police officers came in and shoved their badges under the bookshelf and door? Wait, what?"

Also, if you don't think too much about any of this, it's a nice story and there isn't much to question. It's easy to just think, "Oh, she probably meant she pulled the bookshelf in front of the class room door, that must be what she meant." And you write the story on your assumption. It's when you start to really think that it goes haywire. Why didn't anyone call her up and ask her what she meant?

I can imagine not wanting to GRILL this traumatized woman over the details in an investigative manner, but you could say, "Honey, I don't follow exactly, can you tell me again, where was the bookshelf? And how long do you think you were in there?"

Perhaps that's what we should be investigating. When did journalists turn into parrots?
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To my knowledge, Roig has not said one word publicly about the S.H. incident outside of the Sawyer interview.

This is from ctnews.com, Feb 12 2013:

Roig declined to comment further about the massacre, which took the lives of 20 children age 7 and under, as well as six female educators.

[link to blog.ctnews.com]

She's afraid somebody might ask, 'was it a closet, or a bathroom?'.
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This is an interesting thought...maybe she made up the story and was lying because she didn't really do any of this...maybe she actually locked herself in the bathroom and spent the time gazing at her reflection saying, "You're too pretty to die" and left the kids to find for themselves, and they shoved a bookcase in front of the door and practiced karate moves without her, and that's why no one is talking to her??

Nah....
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Maybe Kaitlin was used as the face of this woman's story, the hero music teacher who barricaded children into a closet:

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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This is simply pathetic. Here is the same story about this music teacher's classroom, only this time Adam isn't pounding on the classroom door, but rather the door to the closet where the kids are hiding. And the teacher is evidently passing out lollipops and the kids are clutching their musical instruments to keep them quiet:

A quick-thinking music teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary School found a secure spot for her students as soon as she heard the first salvo from the shooter's gun.

Killer Adam Lanza arrived moments later at their locked closet door, pounding and yelling "Let me in," while the students in Maryrose Kristopik's class quietly hid inside, AFP reported.

"We were all really scared and then we prayed," said 9-year-old Nicholas Sabillon, who was interviewed with his parents. "Miss Kristopik gave us all lollipops. We thought it would be our last snack."

The sound of shattering glass and additional menacing yells from Lanza tormented the students. But Sabillon says they remained silent and carefully held their musical instruments so they wouldn't produce a sound.

At some point, Lanza, 20, left the room and killed himself after he'd murdered 20 students and six adults.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
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This is an interesting thought...maybe she made up the story and was lying because she didn't really do any of this...maybe she actually locked herself in the bathroom and spent the time gazing at her reflection saying, "You're too pretty to die" and left the kids to find for themselves, and they shoved a bookcase in front of the door and practiced karate moves without her, and that's why no one is talking to her??

Nah....
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Isn't it weird that your version, right off-the-bat, makes a fuckload more sense than her's does?

Her script was written by the same moron who thought it would be a good idea to append Chris Dorner's manifesto to include complimenting the President & Michelle Obama, as well as giving a shout out to Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan.
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From the above HuffPo article:

"Sabillon's parents Jose and Sherry arrived like many other Newtown parents, unaware that students had been killed at all.

"There was not one mention of children," Sherry said. "We would never have thought that children were injured."

I hear this kind of thing over and over - family members and even teachers (like the one interviewed by the California radio station) unaware that anyone was killed, having seen not one drop of blood.
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Maybe Kaitlin was used as the face of this woman's story, the hero music teacher who barricaded children into a closet:

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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Good point, but they do mention Roig hiding out in the bathroom a little bit further into the article.

Which reminds me, what I find deeply suspicious as well is the fact that every single story, photo, video, and interviews having to do with this event come entirely from the days following it (by the MSM), but then all of a sudden … crickets. No further clarification, no stories of survival on these peoples’ Facebook pages, no local media interviews with families of survivors, nothing...

“Lying is done with words and also with silence” —Adrian Rich
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Maybe Kaitlin was used as the face of this woman's story, the hero music teacher who barricaded children into a closet:

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Russian speaker 7555084


I've noticed when reading about Roig that sometimes she's described as a music teacher. I was reading something the other day where it said, "Music teacher Kaitlin Roig" so I googled to see what she is meant to be. So this is interesting. Maybe they'd cut and pasted and forgot to take out the "music teacher" bit to substitute kindergarten teacher.
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Sometimes as I read these stories I begin to think that the main problem is some incredibly lazy journalists who are content to rehash, without fact checking, whatever they read and slap their byline on it as though they had an actual interview with someone.

Of course that doesn't explain Gene Rosen as no journalist was needed to screw up his entire story. "I was feeding my cat, I mean leaving for the diner, when all of the sudden I saw some kids and a man yelling at them, no, I mean a female busdriver, no, wait, actually they were boyscouts and they were tired, um, no I mean they were upset and crying, so I brought them all into my house, except for the man who disappeared (poof!) and I gave them stuffed animals and juice and took them to the firestation/called their parents/had the busdriver call the parents...has anyone seen my wife?"
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I don't get it. GLP has had 1.8 million visitors today, who knows how many since this all began and no one here is actually from Newtown. Not even one?
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And on the subject of photos, why is it that there is only ONE evacuation photo??? It just looks so "file photo" to me. One kid looking vaguely traumatized, but she could be yawning for that matter. I cringe every time I see it.
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Sometimes as I read these stories I begin to think that the main problem is some incredibly lazy journalists who are content to rehash, without fact checking, whatever they read and slap their byline on it as though they had an actual interview with someone.

Of course that doesn't explain Gene Rosen as no journalist was needed to screw up his entire story. "I was feeding my cat, I mean leaving for the diner, when all of the sudden I saw some kids and a man yelling at them, no, I mean a female busdriver, no, wait, actually they were boyscouts and they were tired, um, no I mean they were upset and crying, so I brought them all into my house, except for the man who disappeared (poof!) and I gave them stuffed animals and juice and took them to the firestation/called their parents/had the busdriver call the parents...has anyone seen my wife?"
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To put it succinctly, they can't keep their lies straight.
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I have this dream of making a short film acting out Gene Rosen's story and all of its inconsistencies using his voice as the audio but with real kids/an agitated man/female busdriver/beautiful woman with frozen face doing what he is saying.

I'm going to start casting for that soon.
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So, why ISN'T anyone doing another interview with her?

This is ridiculous, she is a national treasure! And she's being ignored. My gosh, you'd think she'd have been on ALL the talk shows, Ellen, late night, etc. She looks like she'd LOVE to be on TV, she's gorgeous and she's well dressed and her fb page is public so we know she's not ultra shy - this doesn't make sense.
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^^This. Same with Gene Rosen. Why aren't we hearing stories about his incredible reunion with the children he saved and their parents?
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So, why ISN'T anyone doing another interview with her?

This is ridiculous, she is a national treasure! And she's being ignored. My gosh, you'd think she'd have been on ALL the talk shows, Ellen, late night, etc. She looks like she'd LOVE to be on TV, she's gorgeous and she's well dressed and her fb page is public so we know she's not ultra shy - this doesn't make sense.
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^^This. Same with Gene Rosen. Why aren't we hearing stories about his incredible reunion with the children he saved and their parents?
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They're scared to death of more verbal fuck ups.
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Sometimes as I read these stories I begin to think that the main problem is some incredibly lazy journalists who are content to rehash, without fact

Of course that doesn't explain Gene Rosen as no journalist was needed to screw up his entire story. "I was feeding my cat, I mean leaving for the diner, when all of the sudden I saw some kids and a man yelling at them, no, I mean a female busdriver, no, wait, actually they were boyscouts and they were tired, um, no I mean they were upset and crying, so I brought them all into my house, except for the man who disappeared (poof!) and I gave them stuffed animals and juice and took them to the firestation/called their parents/had the busdriver call the parents...has anyone seen my wife?"
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Gene Rosen... What a hero. I wonder why he wasn't sitting next to Obama...
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Come on, debunkers. Help me out.

This isn't an internet time stamp thing. Let's go.
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when they edited the interview together, that's what you're noticing. there is a change in her voice because they cut two different pieces of audio together. I did alot of this stuff for photo stories at school. It wasn't a very smooth transition, whoever edited the audio. Notice the splicing is when they show photos.
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Come on, debunkers. Help me out.

This isn't an internet time stamp thing. Let's go.
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when they edited the interview together, that's what you're noticing. there is a change in her voice because they cut two different pieces of audio together. I did alot of this stuff for photo stories at school. It wasn't a very smooth transition, whoever edited the audio. Notice the splicing is when they show photos.
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No, it's not so much the editing as Roig's manner. She doesn't appear genuine.

Watch the 0:41 mark of the video interview. When Sawyer asks 'did you tell them to be quiet'?

Roig: (assenting) Oh, yes.