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Sandy Hook - The Legend of Kaitlin Roig ----Updated 2-13-13

 
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there is something that doesnt fit really well for me.

when the cops arrive on scene, they cant know there is only 1 shooter. And it's possible that there is 2, every body think about Columbine. It's also possible that there is explosive.
So it's possible there is still another shooter in a classroom with hostages.

As we have see, cops are drilled for this about "clearing" a building like a school.
And with all the doors closed. it's not easy.
Like Lt.Paul Vance say: "checking every door, every crack, every crevice" (saying this, the school nurse Sally Cox, was out just one hour ago and stayed 4 hours in a closet)
[link to www.youtube.com]

Now you need to add to the "clearing" the evacuation of 500 kids.

For me they acted since the beginning that there is only 1 shooter and he was dead. So, how could they know?
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there is something that doesnt fit really well for me.

when the cops arrive on scene, they cant know there is only 1 shooter. And it's possible that there is 2, every body think about Columbine. It's also possible that there is explosive.
So it's possible there is still another shooter in a classroom with hostages.

As we have see, cops are drilled for this about "clearing" a building like a school.
And with all the doors closed. it's not easy.
Like Lt.Paul Vance say: "checking every door, every crack, every crevice" (saying this, the school nurse Sally Cox, was out just one hour ago and stayed 4 hours in a closet)
[link to www.youtube.com]

Now you need to add to the "clearing" the evacuation of 500 kids.

For me they acted since the beginning that there is only 1 shooter and he was dead. So, how could they know?
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


Because it was a drill for most of them. They are being told afterwards that the school at the same time was visited by Adam Lanza who killed 26 people. And that they must keep quiet so that the media doesn't find out. Because if they do, they could lose their jobs.

Add to this 10-20 payed jewish actors who believe that they do it for the sake of Israel and to stop another Holocaust by disarming the american right wing extremists.
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Re: Sandy Hook - The Legend of Kaitlin Roig ----Updated 2-13-13
As expected, "Kaitlin Roig" never called me back last night...

Just FYI.
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As expected, "Kaitlin Roig" never called me back last night...

Just FYI.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810909


Thx. What's the number to her school?
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Come on, debunkers. Help me out.

This isn't an internet time stamp thing. Let's go.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


when they edited the interview together, that's what you're noticing. there is a change in her voice because they cut two different pieces of audio together. I did alot of this stuff for photo stories at school. It wasn't a very smooth transition, whoever edited the audio. Notice the splicing is when they show photos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16966332


No, it's not so much the editing as Roig's manner. She doesn't appear genuine.

Watch the 0:41 mark of the video interview. When Sawyer asks 'did you tell them to be quiet'?

Roig: (assenting) Oh, yes.
 Quoting: Gladio


Off topic. But I love your new avatar. Coincidentlly,, I recorded "Network" a few nights ago to watch this weekend on our equivalent of Tivo. And for the record, I AM mad as hell.
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Testing to see if I've now got a user ID :)
And from the Latin: Erant 'omnes futui
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@AC 7991

Quote: "Off topic. But I love your new avatar. Coincidentlly,, I recorded "Network" a few nights ago to watch this weekend on our equivalent of Tivo. And for the record, I AM mad as hell."


Thanks. One of my favorite movies. Paddy Chayefsky was a brilliant writer.
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Put 'Victoria Soto' in google. 600,000 results. Put Kaitlin Roig in, 95,000.

My name, which is not common, gets 85,000 results.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


Makes no sense. *If* she was the hero she was made out to be, the women's magazines at the very leas would be full of stories about her. If she had 15(?) kids in her class, that makes for potentially 30 parents who would be all over her like white on rice to thank her. This chick is the MSM's golden goose: heroic, good looking. She ticks all the boxes and yet ... nothing. Is Rupert Murdoch in a coma?
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@AC 7991

Quote: "Off topic. But I love your new avatar. Coincidentlly,, I recorded "Network" a few nights ago to watch this weekend on our equivalent of Tivo. And for the record, I AM mad as hell."


Thanks. One of my favorite movies. Paddy Chayefsky was a brilliant writer.
 Quoting: Gladio


This is now me. Decided to join up rather than have my pearls of wisdom changing user ID willy nilly :)
And from the Latin: Erant 'omnes futui
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Put 'Victoria Soto' in google. 600,000 results. Put Kaitlin Roig in, 95,000.

My name, which is not common, gets 85,000 results.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


Makes no sense. *If* she was the hero she was made out to be, the women's magazines at the very leas would be full of stories about her. If she had 15(?) kids in her class, that makes for potentially 30 parents who would be all over her like white on rice to thank her. This chick is the MSM's golden goose: heroic, good looking. She ticks all the boxes and yet ... nothing. Is Rupert Murdoch in a coma?
 Quoting: Not Mental


By the way, the google results quickly changed after I posted that. It's now more like 250,000. Try bing.
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As expected, "Kaitlin Roig" never called me back last night...

she never emailed me either.
I suspect she was never in the school to begin with
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Something just still bugs me about her. Facebook page seems real; there's check-ins and posts but NO activity in 2012 until end of December. No friends posting or commenting that they were worried about her day of, or saying they are glad she was ok after. Fiance's page is all photos and posts about going to Giants' stadium and the White House, etc; It's just weird; and wouldn't she be mourning her friends who were killed at her job? I would think she was friends with Vickie Soto at least.
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Something just still bugs me about her. Facebook page seems real; there's check-ins and posts but NO activity in 2012 until end of December. No friends posting or commenting that they were worried about her day of, or saying they are glad she was ok after. Fiance's page is all photos and posts about going to Giants' stadium and the White House, etc; It's just weird; and wouldn't she be mourning her friends who were killed at her job? I would think she was friends with Vickie Soto at least.
 Quoting: whatever2 26028349


you could try to compare her friends on FB and the one on
pininterest
[link to pinterest.com]
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How does pinterest relate? Followers aren't friends, they just follow your boards and there is no dialogue.
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How does pinterest relate? Followers aren't friends, they just follow your boards and there is no dialogue.
 Quoting: whatever2 26028349


i know.. but on 100 to 200 followers or following...

you find Vicki Soto and Janett Vollmer... and so on.

i dont know how and why people use this, it looks like only women use it. So if it's a girly stuff.. maybe we cant understand.
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How does pinterest relate? Followers aren't friends, they just follow your boards and there is no dialogue.
 Quoting: whatever2 26028349


i know.. but on 100 to 200 followers or following...

you find Vicki Soto and Janett Vollmer... and so on.

i dont know how and why people use this, it looks like only women use it. So if it's a girly stuff.. maybe we cant understand.
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


Lol ja, das denke Ich auch...und Ich selbst bin eine Frau!
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Meant to add English, saying I feel the same about Pinterest, and I'm a girl, lol!

Although it is pretty...
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Go to Dawn Hochsprung's Twitter --> [link to twitter.com (secure)] Flip through all of the pictures she posted. In a few of them you can see a skinny lady with very blonde hair, worn up in a messy bun or off to the side like in her interview with Diane Sawyer. Here are a few [link to twitter.com (secure)] ; [link to twitter.com (secure)] . The hair looks the same, but can't really make out the face.

You can also see a pic of Victoria Soto and I think Lauren Rousseau in this one [link to twitter.com (secure)]


What do you think?
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Go to Dawn Hochsprung's Twitter --> [link to twitter.com (secure)] Flip through all of the pictures she posted. In a few of them you can see a skinny lady with very blonde hair, worn up in a messy bun or off to the side like in her interview with Diane Sawyer. Here are a few [link to twitter.com (secure)] ; [link to twitter.com (secure)] . The hair looks the same, but can't really make out the face.

You can also see a pic of Victoria Soto and I think Lauren Rousseau in this one [link to twitter.com (secure)]


What do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33436056


Possibly Roig. And possibly a sheer coincidence that she's wearing the same shirt in both pictures even though they are supposed to have been taken 32 days apart (Nov 6 and Dec 4, respectively)

Last Edited by Emperor Constantine on 02/16/2013 01:33 AM
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...

You can also see a pic of Victoria Soto and I think Lauren Rousseau in this one [link to twitter.com (secure)]


What do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33436056


ok for Roig..

ok for Soto...

but for Rousseau.. i dont think.
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Well, holy hell.
Please look at this picture and tell me what's wrong with it?
[link to t.co]

Hint: look at the boy seated right-center of the image … raising his hand...

Just study it for a sec, you'll see what I mean—
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Well, holy hell.
Please look at this picture and tell me what's wrong with it?
[link to t.co]

Hint: look at the boy seated right-center of the image … raising his hand...

Just study it for a sec, you'll see what I mean—
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


i see nothing special about the boy.

just it must be the music classroom.
and that doors have windows.
and that closet look to be near the door.
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Well, holy hell.
Please look at this picture and tell me what's wrong with it?
[link to t.co]

Hint: look at the boy seated right-center of the image … raising his hand...

Just study it for a sec, you'll see what I mean—
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


i see nothing special about the boy.

just it must be the music classroom.
and that doors have windows.
and that closet look to be near the door.
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


Don't feel bad, I saw this picture a few weeks ago and noticed nothing unusual then.
Look at the boys left arm, Fred. Then think about how arms/elbows work.
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Well, holy hell.
Please look at this picture and tell me what's wrong with it?
[link to t.co]

Hint: look at the boy seated right-center of the image … raising his hand...

Just study it for a sec, you'll see what I mean—
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


i see nothing special about the boy.

just it must be the music classroom.
and that doors have windows.
and that closet look to be near the door.
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


Don't feel bad, I saw this picture a few weeks ago and noticed nothing unusual then.
Look at the boys left arm, Fred. Then think about how arms/elbows work.
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


if you talk about the boy with brown t-shirt.
many people are flexible like this.
and specially kids.

i dont think those pictures are faked...

what is more surprising if she published pictures like this.
on some Sandy Hook form for special activity. it was always asked to parent the permission to publish picture of their kids.
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Well, holy hell.
Please look at this picture and tell me what's wrong with it?
[link to t.co]

Hint: look at the boy seated right-center of the image … raising his hand...

Just study it for a sec, you'll see what I mean—
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


i see nothing special about the boy.

just it must be the music classroom.
and that doors have windows.
and that closet look to be near the door.
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


Don't feel bad, I saw this picture a few weeks ago and noticed nothing unusual then.
Look at the boys left arm, Fred. Then think about how arms/elbows work.
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


Apart from the kid you mention, I noticed a few other things:

The board says 'Thurs dec 13', so this must have been taken the day before the event.

Who is the teacher? Not Roig, Soto, or Rousseau, yet it mentions 1st graders. Maybe it's the music teacher?

Finally, I do notice a closet or bathroom door in the corner, but the door definitely does not open "inward," you can see from the hinges that it can only open outward.

"Lanza then turned toward the first classroom on his left, that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. By then, authorities said, Roig had hidden with her students in a closet in her classroom. Before securing the closet door, which opened inward, authorities said she concealed the door behind a movable bookcase."

[link to www.courant.com]
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Re: Sandy Hook - The Legend of Kaitlin Roig ----Updated 2-13-13
I've wondered about the bookcase; generally, imo, any bookcase that can be easily moved by one woman is not going to provide much protection. But I suppose it's better than nothing, and people do accomplish amazing things in situations such as this.

It sounds hinky to me, though.
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I found this pic which has a few of the kids that were killed...

[link to twitter.com]
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I found this pic which has a few of the kids that were killed...

[link to twitter.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12187143


Looks like Mantiotti in the light green shirt.
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Well, holy hell.
Please look at this picture and tell me what's wrong with it?
[link to t.co]

Hint: look at the boy seated right-center of the image … raising his hand...

Just study it for a sec, you'll see what I mean—
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


i see nothing special about the boy.

just it must be the music classroom.
and that doors have windows.
and that closet look to be near the door.
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


Don't feel bad, I saw this picture a few weeks ago and noticed nothing unusual then.
Look at the boys left arm, Fred. Then think about how arms/elbows work.
 Quoting: Emperor Constantine


Apart from the kid you mention, I noticed a few other things:

The board says 'Thurs dec 13', so this must have been taken the day before the event.

Who is the teacher? Not Roig, Soto, or Rousseau, yet it mentions 1st graders. Maybe it's the music teacher?

Finally, I do notice a closet or bathroom door in the corner, but the door definitely does not open "inward," you can see from the hinges that it can only open outward.

"Lanza then turned toward the first classroom on his left, that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. By then, authorities said, Roig had hidden with her students in a closet in her classroom. Before securing the closet door, which opened inward, authorities said she concealed the door behind a movable bookcase."

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


Yeah, that's probably the music teacher as the twitter description says something about good "concert" behavior.