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Manitoba Chiefs invite all Canadians to demand immediate repeal of Bills C-38 and C-45

 
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Manitoba Chiefs invite all Canadians to demand immediate repeal of Bills C-38 and C-45
The Chiefs of the First Nations in Manitoba invite all Canadians and non-­‐ governmental organizations (NGOs) to join First Nations in requesting the immediate repeal of Bills C-­‐38 and of C-­‐45 as well as the repeal of any existing or proposed legislation that impact waters, fisheries and the environment.

The widespread changes to Canada’s legislative framework brought about by these two “omnibus” bills affects all Canadians, not just First Nations. These bills, which are now law, modify over 160 laws and regulations in numerous areas and weaken the legislative protections hard-­‐won by all segments of the Canadian population over the last several decades.

These Bills profoundly scale back the legal protection of the water and of nature leaving almost no protection in many environmental areas. These changes are intended by the Conservative government to open the door for foreign-­‐owned corporations to develop the waters, minerals and natural resources within the ancestral lands of First Nations and Canadian territory.

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educate yourselves
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Re: Manitoba Chiefs invite all Canadians to demand immediate repeal of Bills C-38 and C-45
I don't always see eye to eye with you Mort, however I do agree on somethings right along a parallel ...

So Brother, an example, Algonquin Park would no longer be a Conservation Area, would it shrink(sq Km)?

Or is it mainly say, new Crown land that they would like to insist on 'building' something/anything?

I am also wondering if you are aware of the Northern Ontario subsidies for starting a business or such.

Coupled together I am assuming they would like to disrupt more land, unchallenged and unassuming?

What to do, what to do?...
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Yaaay!
You don't know how happy I am that this is happening.
As soon as I read up on this bill c45 in early Dec.,I knew Harper was selling us out. Canada has the largest amount of fresh water in the world right? Water is set to become a precious commodity, more scarce than oil. I thought, well this is it. No more fooling around. This is an issue worth taking a stand over.
And lots of people agree! The movement is growing.
I really appreciate that INM was started by women, so you know it will have staying power. They are committed to working outside the official system, so it will truly be grassroots change.
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Yaaay!
You don't know how happy I am that this is happening.
As soon as I read up on this bill c45 in early Dec.,I knew Harper was selling us out. Canada has the largest amount of fresh water in the world right? Water is set to become a precious commodity, more scarce than oil. I thought, well this is it. No more fooling around. This is an issue worth taking a stand over.
And lots of people agree! The movement is growing.
I really appreciate that INM was started by women, so you know it will have staying power. They are committed to working outside the official system, so it will truly be grassroots change.
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Yes it looks as if his agenda is corporate.
I am seeing the foreign investment already in full swing and an example is the chinese owned mine who recently brought in several foreign workers from their homeland who can't wait to send money back home ...as heard on a CBC Radio interview roughly a month ago, give or take.
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We can't afford it sorry OP

I wish we would be able to do all the great things liberals have in store for us IF money grew on trees but face it, we can barely keep our hospitals running, we have 1 in 10 kids living in poverty we need to save money..

I'm against any bill that hurts our environment but you must understand we don't have an unlimited bank account in Canada
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We can't afford it sorry OP

I wish we would be able to do all the great things liberals have in store for us IF money grew on trees but face it, we can barely keep our hospitals running, we have 1 in 10 kids living in poverty we need to save money..

I'm against any bill that hurts our environment but you must understand we don't have an unlimited bank account in Canada
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Canada makes trillions of dollars.

Corruption is why were poor as fuck.
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Before the government does anything, i think the millionaire chiefs and their outright raping of band money needs to be stopped and investigated. Spence can make a nice phony show but at the end of the day its her ilk which are dooming and fucking over the average native. There is no logical reason for the amount of cold hard cash these tin pot criminal chiefs loot from their own people thru various schemes, its all greed. A chief and immediate family and friends gorge themselves of the cash and literally down the road people live in squalor. Its a disgrace, and essentially treasonous to their own people. Plenty of these so called chiefs, who lord over a few thousand people in shitty huts,, make more money than fortune 500 ceo's. Fuck this idle no more bullshit, you should focus on a loot no more movement and send those fat scammer chiefs to prison.
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We can't afford it sorry OP

I wish we would be able to do all the great things liberals have in store for us IF money grew on trees but face it, we can barely keep our hospitals running, we have 1 in 10 kids living in poverty we need to save money..

I'm against any bill that hurts our environment but you must understand we don't have an unlimited bank account in Canada
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Canada makes trillions of dollars.

Corruption is why were poor as fuck.
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Corruption yes, but people as a whole make personal choices such as getting themselves in DEBT, or you think someone puts a gun to their heads to buy that 60" TV
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Can any of you idle no more pawns actually make a coherent and logical explanation why chiefs need to have salaries and so called expenses that are several hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars tax free? Just explain that. Why does Spences boyfriend get paid $850 a day tax free? Explain that you pawns. How does Spence get paid $8000 a month tax free to run a little day care? Explain that pawns. You cant, its just fucking pigs at the trough and all you idle bullshit is backfiring, depsite slanted cbc propaganda. Mainstream Canada is fed up with this bullshit.
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Can any of you idle no more pawns actually make a coherent and logical explanation why chiefs need to have salaries and so called expenses that are several hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars tax free? Just explain that. Why does Spences boyfriend get paid $850 a day tax free? Explain that you pawns. How does Spence get paid $8000 a month tax free to run a little day care? Explain that pawns. You cant, its just fucking pigs at the trough and all you idle bullshit is backfiring, depsite slanted cbc propaganda. Mainstream Canada is fed up with this bullshit.
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All due to the Indian act and the treaties or so I'm told
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Can any of you idle no more pawns actually make a coherent and logical explanation why chiefs need to have salaries and so called expenses that are several hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars tax free? Just explain that. Why does Spences boyfriend get paid $850 a day tax free? Explain that you pawns. How does Spence get paid $8000 a month tax free to run a little day care? Explain that pawns. You cant, its just fucking pigs at the trough and all you idle bullshit is backfiring, depsite slanted cbc propaganda. Mainstream Canada is fed up with this bullshit.
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those are treaty points which were written up by white government men generations ago to "keep the savage happy"

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Can any of you idle no more pawns actually make a coherent and logical explanation why chiefs need to have salaries and so called expenses that are several hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars tax free? Just explain that. Why does Spences boyfriend get paid $850 a day tax free? Explain that you pawns. How does Spence get paid $8000 a month tax free to run a little day care? Explain that pawns. You cant, its just fucking pigs at the trough and all you idle bullshit is backfiring, depsite slanted cbc propaganda. Mainstream Canada is fed up with this bullshit.
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those are treaty points which were written up by white government men generations ago to "keep the savage happy"

duncedunce
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Which treaty specifies those examples mentioned above? Specifically, where does it say that a chief makes 8000 a month to run a day care that anywhere else would pay maybe 2000 at the maximum anywhere else? How about margaret swan and her disappearing millions? The list goes on and on. Please just cite the applicable treaties regarding spennces gorging, at the least .
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I am all for backing the First Nations with environmental concerns, I whole heartedly agreed on that. I do not support the hunger strike by Chief Theresa. That reserve misappropriated 32 million dollars and cries poverty. That was enough for every person on the reserve to have an income of $275,000 dollars a year. For fucks sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get a grip on the finances!!!!!!!!

Get better chiefs!!!!!!
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Its time for the government to step in and fairly distribute the money. We have had a hundred plus years of proof that the First Nations cannot govern themselves.
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I am all for backing the First Nations with environmental concerns, I whole heartedly agreed on that. I do not support the hunger strike by Chief Theresa. That reserve misappropriated 32 million dollars and cries poverty. That was enough for every person on the reserve to have an income of $275,000 dollars a year. For fucks sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get a grip on the finances!!!!!!!!

Get better chiefs!!!!!!
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Exactly. Theresa Spence, like many many more chiefs, are outright criminals and treasonous to their own people. Thet manipulate the poor fucks who live in squalor, while they live in mansions, drive high end suv and take a dozen trips to exotic vacation countries yearly.
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Oh and Chief Spence looks about as native as I do.
And I am about as WASP as it gets.
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I was out at Six Nations recently. The house they took off those people was a beautiful new home. Now the Indians took it over and its squalor. No offense but all the homes there look like junky jacks. There needs to be some pride in their homes and take care of the things they get. Sorry but its true.
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Can any of you idle no more pawns actually make a coherent and logical explanation why chiefs need to have salaries and so called expenses that are several hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars tax free? Just explain that. Why does Spences boyfriend get paid $850 a day tax free? Explain that you pawns. How does Spence get paid $8000 a month tax free to run a little day care? Explain that pawns. You cant, its just fucking pigs at the trough and all you idle bullshit is backfiring, depsite slanted cbc propaganda. Mainstream Canada is fed up with this bullshit.
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Well, of course, you have your facts wrong.

Mr. Kennedy, 'the boyfriend', has over 25 years' experience as an accountant, and it is his company that was hired to do the work at Attawapiskat, and Chief Spence had no input at all into engaging him. He has a staff working for him. The roughly $18,000 per month covers salaries and expenses, for him and for staff. According to the federal guidelines under which the bands operate, there is a tremendous amount of paperwork to be handled every month.

Kennedy does not prepare the annual Financial Statements, however, as those are done by a firm in Timmins, so there is independent oversight of the band's expenditures.

The Financial Statements for the past seven years are available from the Attawapiskat First Nations website, and go up annually, in full transparency.

The Deloitte and Touche audit, which was leaked earlier this week, refers to a special audit which was done during the reign of the "third party manager," The toxic situation was not a positive time for sharing information and documentation with the federal government's accusatory Montreal accounting firm. Attawapiskat meanwhile saw their funding completely cut off for six solid months, because the "third party manager" arrangement fell apart in practice.

In August, a federal judge ruled against the government and in favour of Chief Spence, regarding the "third party management" plan.

Likewise, during the time Chief Spence operated the Daycare Center, the $8,000 covered such things as staff, insurance, supplies, meals, etc.

It is very easy, if you are given insufficient information by the media, to jump to negative conclusions.

Today, Chief Spence said more than once that the Prime Minister himself has made "FALSE STATEMENT" about the situation.

You have a lying Stephen Harper, and a lying media.

Roll in it.

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The British should never have signed those treaties
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I hope the true maple blooded canucks will stand with us patriots when the moment of truth is upon us.
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Rez in MB are shitholes. They will remain this way until the entire indian act has been destroyed. True hardcore audits need to be done and all thieves from tribal councils, private contractors and civil servants need to be thrown in prison.

Stop giving out tax money period. Give 100% control of their rez land for them to do with as they please. Let them run the resources and casinos and leave the tax system alone. Every single native that lives off the rez but claims tax free status on rez living needs to be charged with fraud and thrown in jail. They need to lose status for their legacy if caught.
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Rez in MB are shitholes. They will remain this way until the entire indian act has been destroyed. True hardcore audits need to be done and all thieves from tribal councils, private contractors and civil servants need to be thrown in prison.

Stop giving out tax money period. Give 100% control of their rez land for them to do with as they please. Let them run the resources and casinos and leave the tax system alone. Every single native that lives off the rez but claims tax free status on rez living needs to be charged with fraud and thrown in jail. They need to lose status for their legacy if caught.
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These changes are intended by the Conservative government to open the door for foreign owned corporations to develop the waters, minerals and natural resources within the ancestral lands of First Nations and Canadian territory.

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide yo husband 'cause they rapin' everything out here.

JUST SAY NO!dasbier
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These changes are intended by the Conservative government to open the door for foreign owned corporations to develop the waters, minerals and natural resources within the ancestral lands of First Nations and Canadian territory.

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide yo husband 'cause they rapin' everything out here.

JUST SAY NO!dasbier
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I agree they are coming for everything but the pc are just filling the orders that the liberals set up with china 50 years ago.
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These changes are intended by the Conservative government to open the door for foreign owned corporations to develop the waters, minerals and natural resources within the ancestral lands of First Nations and Canadian territory.

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide yo husband 'cause they rapin' everything out here.

JUST SAY NO!dasbier
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I agree they are coming for everything but the pc are just filling the orders that the liberals set up with china 50 years ago.
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Correct!
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