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Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore’

 
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I am happily dating right now, so I have no issues this way.
But from my experience, it seems like women deal better with being alone, than men do.
Women have more social supports with family and friends. Men tend to isolate themselves when alone, and have long benefited from being with women to have the social community.
You can see it here on glp. Men who are alone and lonely, who then blame their social problems on women....and then post ll those women bashing threads. lol
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I cannot wait until it is just me again.
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What are you waiting for then?

popcorn
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I have been married for 33 plus years and I am very happy as life goes . . .no children. . . Not our choice. . . was hard to accept but because of that we may be closer. . . .

I think it comes down to unconditional love. . . You give it and if it is returned you have the right match. . . If not the relationship will eventually fail. . . .

Being a guy I see many young men not living for anything but themselves. . . or are too afraid to risk anything which could make them uncomfortable or possibly fail. . . video games, porn, alcohol and drugs are crutches that numb them into accepting third place in life. . . .

Seems guys are much more likely to suffer the "failure to launch syndrome" than women (my theory is video games at too early an age has something to do with this . . .women seem more immune to it or simply are not interested). . . I saw this as men became less and less represented in many professional schools including law and medicine . . .

It is easier to never risk than to try and fail. . . we have a real problem with the future unless half of us don't step up and accept responsibility . . . I am afraid that is where we are headed. . . .many women are alone . . . I hope they can succeed without the support of most men. . . .huffy
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I cannot wait until it is just me again.
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What are you waiting for then?

popcorn
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You of course. After that I will wait just fine.
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I am happily dating right now, so I have no issues this way.
But from my experience, it seems like women deal better with being alone, than men do.
Women have more social supports with family and friends. Men tend to isolate themselves when alone, and have long benefited from being with women to have the social community.
You can see it here on glp. Men who are alone and lonely, who then blame their social problems on women....and then post ll those women bashing threads. lol
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If women are the social networkers and nexus, and they gravitate towards a few types of males and pursue them, then yes, that means they are guilty of ostracizing the other men who by default do not have the connections of said women.

Moron.
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I am happily dating right now, so I have no issues this way.
But from my experience, it seems like women deal better with being alone, than men do.
Women have more social supports with family and friends. Men tend to isolate themselves when alone, and have long benefited from being with women to have the social community.
You can see it here on glp. Men who are alone and lonely, who then blame their social problems on women....and then post ll those women bashing threads. lol
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I disagree.
Just depends on what kind of man or woman you are...and your story.
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Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore’

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January 10, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.

“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.
 Quoting: UGLY FAT GUY 30262762




very true.

but we should accept the fact that men are not men anymore.

I thought men were more the ones who endured the social "trends" (i.e. social engineering) way better than women do.

Now I pass by a male hairdressers and the signboard goes:

waxing, pedicure, manicure, facial care :D

doesn't sound too manly to me.
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Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore’

[link to www.lifesitenews.com]

January 10, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.

“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.
 Quoting: UGLY FAT GUY 30262762




very true.

but we should accept the fact that men are not men anymore.

I thought men were more the ones who endured the social "trends" (i.e. social engineering) way better than women do.

Now I pass by a male hairdressers and the signboard goes:

waxing, pedicure, manicure, facial care :D

doesn't sound too manly to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637


In the USA, if you dress like you have enough money to own a TV (Not completely broke), yet do not ACT like the men on TV, you are called gay. It is very deeply programmed into society. And it is very strange.

Now, if you dress like you own a TV station, you are probably considered quite the stud, although chances of you actually being gay are probably near a good %80 or higher.

A society that denies straight males dignity, because they don't know enough about gaydom to avoid certain faux paus will allow the shitbag who promotes the gaydom on TV to lead a double life with a wife who is just for show and constant homos in the background...
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The story you describe just proves that the man didnt prized her, got deceived himself or the woman got deceived herself through out life.


The relationship of people from 50 years ago that I know were all successful, married until this day, or separated only by death.


People with 70 years more were much less deceived in regards to relationship and family than people who were born just 53 years ago.

Even the people who were born 53 years ago, ended up being highly influenced by the deception.

So its not enough just to follow the Ways of the Ancient blueprint for a never ending relationship, but also BE AWARE OF NEW CORRUPTED ENVIRONMENT and take heed against it.

Why do you think "things changed"? because people failed at spotting the deception and defending their ways.

So a 53 year old woman on your example, is as much a victim of the woman with 45, or 35 years old to ALL EXTERNAL INFLUENCES/ DECEPTIONS AROUND.


The chance for a woman to find a man willing to accept her self willed, independent, rebelious, disobedient nature beyond the point of her youth/beauty is less than 1 in a 100.

The man would have to stick with the woman due to legal reasons, fear of judicial/economic/financial aftermath, fear of losing the child tutelage, etc... RATHER THAN THE FACT HE LOVES HER AND WANTS TO LIVE THE REST OF HIS LIFE WITH HER.



There is two types of man and two types of woman.
Old man, Modern Man, Old Woman, Modern Woman.

All 4 are still human beings and all 4 still want to love and be loved, BUT.

Modern Man were deceived/endocrinated/incentivized to not marry, to not create a stable family unit, to not take risks, to not take responsability, to not have children, to not share his patrimony, to no invest BEYOND FINDING A YOUNG ATTRACTIVE SEXUAL PARTNER that also works as social trophy.

And that is all because the way Modern Woman were designed to think/behave/evaluate.


Both Modern Man and Modern Woman are not compatible with each other or with either Old Man or Old Woman model.


The only design that work is the Old Man + Old Woman gender roles.

Now, you are rebelious and self willed "Modern Man" or "Modern Woman" and you were taught to "do what thou wilt".

But the consequences and limitations are obvious and negative.

Modern Woman are seen by Modern Man as having a validity date and as having to be a slave of beauty. Wich is a little ship going against the unstopable flow of the river wich is TIME / AGING.

The remaining Old Woman are ceized by the great majority of new Modern Man, wich will never evaluate them as they deserve, wich will bound her to unnatainable standards.

This is the old possible fate, because these woman will invest everything they have during their 18-30 years into a man who will not REALLY MARRY HER. She is emotionally invested and bound to a man who just uses her for sex.

And thats the woman fault for choosing this glorified stereotype of Modern Man, because she should have chosen the "Old Man" type.

If the woman goes for the "popular", "trending" male, wich is just part of the deception wich is the type of man that the media/movies sold to woman in the last 50 years.
She falls as well NO MATTER IF SHE IS THE "OLD WOMAN" TYPE.

So what we have is a huge majority of women being/falling for "Modern Woman" like man "Modern Man". These people relationship only work up to their 30's. Thats the kind of people who think that you have to "keep trying".

Modern Woman believing they have to find a man that ADDAPTS/FITS TO HER. While Modern Man wants no serious relationship compromise at all, mostly in for the sex/party =i.e. good times.

Basically, Modern Woman think they are independent, but they are just being evaluted as trophies and sexual objects.

If they happen to find an "Old Man", they are most certainly going to be disobedient, rebelious, manipulative, etc... and end up breaking the relationship themselves.

The smart woman is the one who realizes she has to find an Old Man and she has to behave as close as possible to the Old Woman. Like in their granddaddies time.

The smart man is the one who realizes he has to find an Old Woman who he knows will be 100% for him from start to finish.

What works is so easy to spot once one realize the truth at its most reduced/simplified level. You can get in a place and know right away whether someone is a Modern or Old version of the gender roles.

If you are female still insisting in this Independent Modern Woman and you are on younger than 30 years old you might scoff at this truth, because your own youth/beauty fools you.

If you are Modern Male, you will likely evade any serious/compromises in a relationship, avoiding legal marriage, children, etc. Leeching as much deceived young/beauty woman you can without none of the PERCEIVED risks.

Because you were incentivized to not commit, to not give, to not stand by, but just take it and leave it, just to hit and run.

Now, if you are an Old Male, you are very afraid of the times, afraid of woman might divorce you, take your children, your money, etc. You want to invest all your love in a relationship, but the majority of woman around are "Modern Woman" and if you dont know, you will likelly find yourself in a situation where you wasted everything and now you are alone, without your kids, without the wife you loved, etc...

See, most of the "old male", "old woman" types, from the old paradigm, if they mix/blend with the new "modern male/woman" paradigm, it will not work out.

Im pretty sure if "Old Man" meets "Old Woman" and they are aware of this whole deception/design that changed the paradigms and the gender roles in the last 50-60 years, they can STAND STILL STRONG AND NOTHING OR ANYTHING WOULD SEPARATE THEM, only death.
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They are both long dead. They were an old man and woman. Some younger woman showed an interest and all of her hard work went down the drain. Try getting a job at 53 with no work experience.

Women are trusting souls to not have their independence and more often than not, they will learn a hard lesson for it one day.
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I suppose not too many of you at this late date think very many of those "men" on TV are non-homosexual themselves...
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Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore’

[link to www.lifesitenews.com]

January 10, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.

“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.
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very true.

but we should accept the fact that men are not men anymore.

I thought men were more the ones who endured the social "trends" (i.e. social engineering) way better than women do.

Now I pass by a male hairdressers and the signboard goes:

waxing, pedicure, manicure, facial care :D

doesn't sound too manly to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637


In the USA, if you dress like you have enough money to own a TV (Not completely broke), yet do not ACT like the men on TV, you are called gay. It is very deeply programmed into society. And it is very strange.

Now, if you dress like you own a TV station, you are probably considered quite the stud, although chances of you actually being gay are probably near a good %80 or higher.

A society that denies straight males dignity, because they don't know enough about gaydom to avoid certain faux paus will allow the shitbag who promotes the gaydom on TV to lead a double life with a wife who is just for show and constant homos in the background...
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you should check out celtic rebel.
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I suppose not too many of you at this late date think very many of those "men" on TV are non-homosexual themselves...
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the "gray" character on fifty shades of gray is a gay guy.

the man who women lust after.
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Men are still men:

[link to m.youtube.com]
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I suppose not too many of you at this late date think very many of those "men" on TV are non-homosexual themselves...
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the "gray" character on fifty shades of gray is a gay guy.

the man who women lust after.
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the actor I mean..

I haven't read the book and don't intend to but for the main character, the readers should decide for themselves :)
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Men are still men:

[link to m.youtube.com]
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These are the future men, and you think WOMEN have changed.

Lol
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I suppose not too many of you at this late date think very many of those "men" on TV are non-homosexual themselves...
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the "gray" character on fifty shades of gray is a gay guy.

the man who women lust after.
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the actor I mean..

I haven't read the book and don't intend to but for the main character, the readers should decide for themselves :)
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I would exclaim: "That's suprising!".

But it isn't.
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Yes I have seen many women obese and dominant and I have seen the same of men. These are individuals with poor diet and exercise regimens. Even if they are active then their diet lends to them being dominant and abusive if not physically.

Again, this is for both genders.
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Men are still men:

[link to m.youtube.com]
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These are the future men, and you think WOMEN have changed.

Lol
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Oops...not future men, current men.

Yep, men havent changed at all, they always liked little girl shows.

tounge
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I herd that men have an outie, and women have an innie.
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I suppose not too many of you at this late date think very many of those "men" on TV are non-homosexual themselves...
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the "gray" character on fifty shades of gray is a gay guy.

the man who women lust after.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637




the actor I mean..

I haven't read the book and don't intend to but for the main character, the readers should decide for themselves :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637


I would exclaim: "That's suprising!".

But it isn't.
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strange times we're in..
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the "gray" character on fifty shades of gray is a gay guy.

the man who women lust after.
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the actor I mean..

I haven't read the book and don't intend to but for the main character, the readers should decide for themselves :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637


I would exclaim: "That's suprising!".

But it isn't.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm



strange times we're in..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637


If the universe were a TV station, we are at that 4am static chaos with the annoying interference in the audio.
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Yes I have seen many women obese and dominant and I have seen the same of men. These are individuals with poor diet and exercise regimens. Even if they are active then their diet lends to them being dominant and abusive if not physically.

Again, this is for both genders.
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So all this mess is a result of what we eat, only?
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Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore’

[link to www.lifesitenews.com]

January 10, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.

“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.
 Quoting: UGLY FAT GUY 30262762




very true.

but we should accept the fact that men are not men anymore.

I thought men were more the ones who endured the social "trends" (i.e. social engineering) way better than women do.

Now I pass by a male hairdressers and the signboard goes:

waxing, pedicure, manicure, facial care :D

doesn't sound too manly to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637


In the USA, if you dress like you have enough money to own a TV (Not completely broke), yet do not ACT like the men on TV, you are called gay. It is very deeply programmed into society. And it is very strange.

Now, if you dress like you own a TV station, you are probably considered quite the stud, although chances of you actually being gay are probably near a good %80 or higher.

A society that denies straight males dignity, because they don't know enough about gaydom to avoid certain faux paus will allow the shitbag who promotes the gaydom on TV to lead a double life with a wife who is just for show and constant homos in the background...
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


norespect
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Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore’

[link to www.lifesitenews.com]

January 10, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.

“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.
 Quoting: UGLY FAT GUY 30262762




very true.

but we should accept the fact that men are not men anymore.

I thought men were more the ones who endured the social "trends" (i.e. social engineering) way better than women do.

Now I pass by a male hairdressers and the signboard goes:

waxing, pedicure, manicure, facial care :D

doesn't sound too manly to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35447637


In the USA, if you dress like you have enough money to own a TV (Not completely broke), yet do not ACT like the men on TV, you are called gay. It is very deeply programmed into society. And it is very strange.

Now, if you dress like you own a TV station, you are probably considered quite the stud, although chances of you actually being gay are probably near a good %80 or higher.

A society that denies straight males dignity, because they don't know enough about gaydom to avoid certain faux paus will allow the shitbag who promotes the gaydom on TV to lead a double life with a wife who is just for show and constant homos in the background...
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norespect
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I've lived in Canuckistan too. You were never free from women and thus should thank your queen and politely fuck off. If I wanted comeback from a Canadian bitch, I would go find my ex wife and punch her in the gut.

Dismissed.
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Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
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There is no way to justify the Old ways logically, rationally in the light of the standards that were "legitimized" by the system at the current times.

It goes back to religion entrenched costumes/culture/standards.

Man is the leader of the family unit because God said so, kind of thing.

So if you do not believe in God, then you wont understand or accept the fact that man work in a certain way: they will never see themselves as inferior, or subordinate to woman.

And thats one of the many Design Walls we have.

It doesnt matter at this point whether you believe in God or not, you simply know that its a metaphysical law of human beings that "woman get old, sterile, less attractive" over time.

Whatever you believe, you cannot deny the Design you are subordinate too. Such as "everyone is made different".


So once you figure out the design limitations of human beings you can see that there is no way you can social engineer, or endocrinate, educate, constrain, convince, etc man, to be woman.

That simply will not work. Why is that so exactly in "scientific" terms I cannot explain. The only explanation I have is that "The Creator made man that way".

Thats why woman trying to be man, or relegating man to a role of woman, other than the man they are, does not work.

And the way I see, its a fact as absolute as a law of nature.

Thats why relationships where woman cross that "design line" does not stand.
Women have to let men be men, or they wont have any man at all. They will remain alone.

Now, the only thing that mitigates this, is men attraction to women. Both designs are not contradictory, but complementary.

Men need women, every day, since puberty. Its part of our design. Not something cultural.

Watching porn and masturbating or going around lying around with man as if they were woman is cultural.

But male sexual drive is by design.

The male sexual drive is more of a constant, then the female attractiveness over time.

Due to the Design nature of male sexuai drive
females indepedence/insubordination/disobedience are mitigated by their youth/beauty/attractiveness.

Thats the only reason why women could temporarily cross the "design line" that stablish that man will not comply/be subordinate to woman.

Because they get old, ugly, stop being attractive AND LOSE THEIR NATURAL LEVERAGE. So thats the Woman Design again limiting their attempts to be/behave in a way that they were NOT DESIGNED to behave.

If Woman were Designed to have the upper hand on the relationship, they would not stop being attractive.




You asked how does it work when someone is a mix of "Old" and "Modern". It goes back to design: There are some things that are changeable/mutable and some things that are not.

One would have to create human beings again from the begining with a different set of rules to bypass these inherent limitations: male inherent feeling of dominion and woman ephemeral nature of beauty.

Our current society was engineered to mitigate both, so that woman could have a more lasting beauty and so that man would be less dominating.

You can push the limits a bit, but at some point it simply falls apart, woman either become intolerant the inherent male preponderance or male deems woman not worth of constraint.

The way this works gets clear as woman gets past their 30's.
And its clear as well when woman is within their lower 20's.

Thats again, due to the Design of male sex drive.


Another thing is the nature of Love.
It can be bilateral and both sides can love intensely and mutualy. It can be continuous after it starts. It can last a whole life even.
Love can be balanced, but it never is seamless, it never start in both sides with the same intensity at the same time.

One side always fall in love first. One side always submits first and then the other side follows through or not. Like investing chips in a poker game.

One put the chips, then the other calls, raises or folds.

"The Old" stereotype of Man and Woman, people invested all their chips, either male or female first.

The way it is now with "Modern" women, INDEPENDENT/REBELIOUS/INSUBORDINATE woman never really invest all their chips. Even if the male invest all his chips on them first.

These women always keep some chips on their table.

And thats where the design of the inate male sex drive for women and female temporary beauty/youth DECEIVES THEM.

Males will stick with women, despite them having not invested all their chips on them, ONLY and ONLY FOR THE DURATION of the women's beauty/youth.

After a while the man will reevaluate the situation and see that his woman investment on their side of the table is not there.

If one side has 50 love and another side has 100 love, it doesnt matter WHEN BOTH SIDES GIVE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE, even if its very little.

Thats why the "Old" mans kept married with their old wifes despite them getting old and unattractive. It was not cultural, that was the nature of love that existed and could be seen back then.

woman independence is antagonic to love, because its the equivalent of not giving everything you have to your man, investing ALL YOUR CHIPS.

People up to their 30's are not really aware of this, so they keep playing games and bluffing and hiding chips, like a poker game, without really going ALL IN.

Thats why the relationships fail.

Man cant find woman who will go all in anymore, so they dont go all in either. They give just enough to keep playing the game inside their panties.

Its a game woman cant win and that they can only really play up to their 30's and even then at that point, even if they do "change" wich is very hard, and become willing to go "all in", they will be unable to compete with all the new batch of young attractive woman and if they find a man, everything the woman over 30's will have to offer at that point will be so little so as to even convince the man to give his "All In", so more often than not they are going to get something really really bad at wich point it will be them who will find it not worthy.

So thats why you end up with a lot of divorced people, unstable, destabilized families.

Its a game that only man or young woman can play.


But its not the real thing. They wont likely find their "soul mate" unless BOTH GO ALL IN. And for the man, it means him being the Flag bearer and woman, his support. Thus no 50-50.
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Don't forget the barbie zombie "trend" or the zomb barb, I don't know the exact name really..

It took me months to convince my nephew -- who thinks he's the man, to drop the belieber hair style.

and this is not LA, this is Istanbul.
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The story you describe just proves that the man didnt prized her, got deceived himself or the woman got deceived herself through out life.


The relationship of people from 50 years ago that I know were all successful, married until this day, or separated only by death.


People with 70 years more were much less deceived in regards to relationship and family than people who were born just 53 years ago.

Even the people who were born 53 years ago, ended up being highly influenced by the deception.

So its not enough just to follow the Ways of the Ancient blueprint for a never ending relationship, but also BE AWARE OF NEW CORRUPTED ENVIRONMENT and take heed against it.

Why do you think "things changed"? because people failed at spotting the deception and defending their ways.

So a 53 year old woman on your example, is as much a victim of the woman with 45, or 35 years old to ALL EXTERNAL INFLUENCES/ DECEPTIONS AROUND.


The chance for a woman to find a man willing to accept her self willed, independent, rebelious, disobedient nature beyond the point of her youth/beauty is less than 1 in a 100.

The man would have to stick with the woman due to legal reasons, fear of judicial/economic/financial aftermath, fear of losing the child tutelage, etc... RATHER THAN THE FACT HE LOVES HER AND WANTS TO LIVE THE REST OF HIS LIFE WITH HER.



There is two types of man and two types of woman.
Old man, Modern Man, Old Woman, Modern Woman.

All 4 are still human beings and all 4 still want to love and be loved, BUT.

Modern Man were deceived/endocrinated/incentivized to not marry, to not create a stable family unit, to not take risks, to not take responsability, to not have children, to not share his patrimony, to no invest BEYOND FINDING A YOUNG ATTRACTIVE SEXUAL PARTNER that also works as social trophy.

And that is all because the way Modern Woman were designed to think/behave/evaluate.


Both Modern Man and Modern Woman are not compatible with each other or with either Old Man or Old Woman model.


The only design that work is the Old Man + Old Woman gender roles.

Now, you are rebelious and self willed "Modern Man" or "Modern Woman" and you were taught to "do what thou wilt".

But the consequences and limitations are obvious and negative.

Modern Woman are seen by Modern Man as having a validity date and as having to be a slave of beauty. Wich is a little ship going against the unstopable flow of the river wich is TIME / AGING.

The remaining Old Woman are ceized by the great majority of new Modern Man, wich will never evaluate them as they deserve, wich will bound her to unnatainable standards.

This is the old possible fate, because these woman will invest everything they have during their 18-30 years into a man who will not REALLY MARRY HER. She is emotionally invested and bound to a man who just uses her for sex.

And thats the woman fault for choosing this glorified stereotype of Modern Man, because she should have chosen the "Old Man" type.

If the woman goes for the "popular", "trending" male, wich is just part of the deception wich is the type of man that the media/movies sold to woman in the last 50 years.
She falls as well NO MATTER IF SHE IS THE "OLD WOMAN" TYPE.

So what we have is a huge majority of women being/falling for "Modern Woman" like man "Modern Man". These people relationship only work up to their 30's. Thats the kind of people who think that you have to "keep trying".

Modern Woman believing they have to find a man that ADDAPTS/FITS TO HER. While Modern Man wants no serious relationship compromise at all, mostly in for the sex/party =i.e. good times.

Basically, Modern Woman think they are independent, but they are just being evaluted as trophies and sexual objects.

If they happen to find an "Old Man", they are most certainly going to be disobedient, rebelious, manipulative, etc... and end up breaking the relationship themselves.

The smart woman is the one who realizes she has to find an Old Man and she has to behave as close as possible to the Old Woman. Like in their granddaddies time.

The smart man is the one who realizes he has to find an Old Woman who he knows will be 100% for him from start to finish.

What works is so easy to spot once one realize the truth at its most reduced/simplified level. You can get in a place and know right away whether someone is a Modern or Old version of the gender roles.

If you are female still insisting in this Independent Modern Woman and you are on younger than 30 years old you might scoff at this truth, because your own youth/beauty fools you.

If you are Modern Male, you will likely evade any serious/compromises in a relationship, avoiding legal marriage, children, etc. Leeching as much deceived young/beauty woman you can without none of the PERCEIVED risks.

Because you were incentivized to not commit, to not give, to not stand by, but just take it and leave it, just to hit and run.

Now, if you are an Old Male, you are very afraid of the times, afraid of woman might divorce you, take your children, your money, etc. You want to invest all your love in a relationship, but the majority of woman around are "Modern Woman" and if you dont know, you will likelly find yourself in a situation where you wasted everything and now you are alone, without your kids, without the wife you loved, etc...

See, most of the "old male", "old woman" types, from the old paradigm, if they mix/blend with the new "modern male/woman" paradigm, it will not work out.

Im pretty sure if "Old Man" meets "Old Woman" and they are aware of this whole deception/design that changed the paradigms and the gender roles in the last 50-60 years, they can STAND STILL STRONG AND NOTHING OR ANYTHING WOULD SEPARATE THEM, only death.
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They are both long dead. They were an old man and woman. Some younger woman showed an interest and all of her hard work went down the drain. Try getting a job at 53 with no work experience.

Women are trusting souls to not have their independence and more often than not, they will learn a hard lesson for it one day.
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I lived in a big town 1.5 million+ people and I live in small towns.

Its everything different.

Small Towns higher % concentration of "Old Woman" and "Old Man" per capita

Big Towns higher % concentration of "Modern Woman" and "Modern Man" per capita.

In one you get an environment of promiscuity, in another you get an environment to raise your kids on.

Its a no brainer, such are the social distinctions between big vs small towns. At least here in Brazil.

mainly because the external influences penetration in small towns are much inferior than in big towns. so people copy catting stereotypes from "culture creators" dont occur. If you get one girl who happens to have access to internet and who happens to have fallen to "wants to be like Lady Gaga" and the like, she gets cast out/excluded/shun in the medium where she is immersed.

Its very interesting to notice.
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I suppose not too many of you at this late date think very many of those "men" on TV are non-homosexual themselves...
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you're so fucked in the head, you need therapy dude.

don't hurt anybody please. 886
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