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What was the one inconsistancy, above all others, that makes Sandy Hook suspicious

 
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What was the one inconsistancy, above all others, that makes Sandy Hook suspicious
When I first heard about Sandy Hook, I was truly shaken by the tragedy. I watch the aftermath unfold on television news reports and read more about it online.

I remember first becoming suspicious when the news reports started changing as I watched...things like Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school, then she wasn't; girlfriend was missing then nothing much about more about that; Ryan was shooter, Ryan was not shooter; father was dead in another state, then he wasn't; etc, ad naseum...and of course, since then the inconsistencies uncovered have proven numerous.

I blamed the first inconsistencies on the confusion of a crime scene.

But what really turned it around for me was the video statement by Robbie Parker, a parent. Not the one broadcast on television, but the less edited version found online.

I have lost people to death. I have even laughed at funerals if someone told a funny story about the deceased.

So it was not so much Parker's laughing prior to his statement that gave me pause, it was what followed that disturbed me. It made me physically ill when I saw it.

First there was a pause and then some getting-into character-type behavior. I thought to myself, why would someone who was grieving feel the need to pump up the emotion in that manner.

I can't imagine, after going through a tragic lost of a loved one, having the presence of mind to think to myself, "Oh, I'm going to be on camera so I need to get a sad face on now." And I've lost family members and I certainly didn't care if others thought I looked like I was in grief and that wouldn't change if I was going on camera.

In addition, there appears to me to be deception in his statement and in interviews with others connected with the incident. But I am no expert.

I would love to see someone who is an expert trained in lie detection actually go through the interviews and detail any "tells".
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The one where no one cared about sandy hook anymore. It happened a month ago. The bandwagon is on to gun control now. Keep up bro.
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I hear ya, i saw something on the discovery channel where they had this software that could detect micro somethings in speech. I wonder what ever happened to that. I wish we all had that shit on our phones, televisions and computers.
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It was the people's reactions on the videos n TV.... after losing a brother and mom (different times) due to natural causes and I was prepared for it.....my eyes were always red and swollen and anyone can see it in my face I just lost someone. This was out right murder and terrifying..... and everyone was being interviewed like it was some casual event they were referring to and appearing like normal.

Last Edited by Indysmindy on 01/12/2013 01:57 AM
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i became a skeptic when on the first day of the 'tragedy'

all the gov and law enforcement jumped on the same band wagon to outlaw guns...

this was where my red flag went up and i said....

hmmm this is strange and i started reading all the posts about how

it is a hoax...

they could have waited a few days to begin their gun rampage

this would have made things a bit more believable but to a person like me that

doesn't believe all that i hear unless i have good proof....


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i became a skeptic when on the first day of the 'tragedy'

all the gov and law enforcement jumped on the same band wagon to outlaw guns...

this was where my red flag went up and i said....

hmmm this is strange and i started reading all the posts about how

it is a hoax...

they could have waited a few days to begin their gun rampage

this would have made things a bit more believable but to a person like me that

doesn't believe all that i hear unless i have good proof....


no you lost
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Yeah, I'd agree with you on that..I noticed everyone jumped very quickly onto the gun control bandwagon.

I saw an interview with one of the mothers, can't remember who now, and she specifically mentions an AR-15. It seemed strange when it was mentioned in the context of that interview, like it was dialogue that she was told to say.
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The oddest thing I noticed was watching the news that day and people seemed off. The faces, the demeanors. It weirded me out and I remarked on it to my spouse.
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i became a skeptic when on the first day of the 'tragedy'

all the gov and law enforcement jumped on the same band wagon to outlaw guns...

this was where my red flag went up and i said....

hmmm this is strange and i started reading all the posts about how

it is a hoax...

they could have waited a few days to begin their gun rampage

this would have made things a bit more believable but to a person like me that

doesn't believe all that i hear unless i have good proof....


no you lost
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31503468


Yeah, I'd agree with you on that..I noticed everyone jumped very quickly onto the gun control bandwagon.

I saw an interview with one of the mothers, can't remember who now, and she specifically mentions an AR-15. It seemed strange when it was mentioned in the context of that interview, like it was dialogue that she was told to say.
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yes

i agree with you

most people haven't a clue what one of those is
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It was the people's reactions on the videos n TV.... after losing a brother and mom (different times) due to natural causes and I was prepared for it.....my eyes were always red and swollen and anyone can see it in my face I just lost someone. This was out right murder and terrifying..... and everyone was being interviewed like it was some casual event they were referring to and appearing like normal.
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Laughing and smiling! Not a single tear amongst any of the victims families. To this day!

And the Kaitlin Roig interview. Fakest fakery ever.
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I didn't even know on the 14th what had happened. I was around no media including the 'puter. On the 15th I watched the news on the boob tube in the morning. I was so sad to see what appeared to have been a very chaotic event. And the families I felt so sorry for. I had a great amount of empathy for what they were going through and felt very sad throughout the day. I thought about that poor wayward youth Lanza and thought may God have mercy on his soul. What he must have gone through to lose control on that level.

Then over the next few days I started to research more with the computer....watching the video of the interview with Robbie Parker was my first red flag. It felt wrong.... then I saw Eugene Rosen....I watched 3 different interviews with Gene and each time it changed?! what a fucking lunatic liar! And then I watched the Soto's and the McDonnell's, and realized each of those families were "off"?! What the hell is going on??? That was what I was feeling. And shortly then after I found GLP to vent my concerns and frustrations.......and here I am digging in a little bit more every day.yessir
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Is anyone concerned that obama has set himself up to be lincoln for months? that maybe they knew people will not comply that there will be blood in the streets?
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I hear ya, i saw something on the discovery channel where they had this software that could detect micro somethings in speech. I wonder what ever happened to that. I wish we all had that shit on our phones, televisions and computers.
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I really wish I had that software. It would be great to run some of the videos through it and see the results.

It's probably only available to law enforcement.
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It was the people's reactions on the videos n TV.... after losing a brother and mom (different times) due to natural causes and I was prepared for it.....my eyes were always red and swollen and anyone can see it in my face I just lost someone. This was out right murder and terrifying..... and everyone was being interviewed like it was some casual event they were referring to and appearing like normal.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Laughing and smiling! Not a single tear amongst any of the victims families. To this day!

And the Kaitlin Roig interview. Fakest fakery ever.
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Exactly! What was disturbing to me, I think to others as well was watching them all react this way. Maybe they were robots? Even a human actor would show some sadness (grief, horror) in their face when acting these parts.
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Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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i became a skeptic when on the first day of the 'tragedy'

all the gov and law enforcement jumped on the same band wagon to outlaw guns...

this was where my red flag went up and i said....

hmmm this is strange and i started reading all the posts about how

it is a hoax...

they could have waited a few days to begin their gun rampage

this would have made things a bit more believable but to a person like me that

doesn't believe all that i hear unless i have good proof....


no you lost
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Kind of like Benghazi huh? It was the Video!!!!! Bunch of liars!
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Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Is anyone concerned that obama has set himself up to be lincoln for months? that maybe they knew people will not comply that there will be blood in the streets?
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Explain further please. Obama has me so upset n pissed off with each thing he does, not sure what your referring to.

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Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Can't say I think it's a hoax but the reactions were strange.
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I didn't even know on the 14th what had happened. I was around no media including the 'puter. On the 15th I watched the news on the boob tube in the morning. I was so sad to see what appeared to have been a very chaotic event. And the families I felt so sorry for. I had a great amount of empathy for what they were going through and felt very sad throughout the day. I thought about that poor wayward youth Lanza and thought may God have mercy on his soul. What he must have gone through to lose control on that level.

Then over the next few days I started to research more with the computer....watching the video of the interview with Robbie Parker was my first red flag. It felt wrong.... then I saw Eugene Rosen....I watched 3 different interviews with Gene and each time it changed?! what a fucking lunatic liar! And then I watched the Soto's and the McDonnell's, and realized each of those families were "off"?! What the hell is going on??? That was what I was feeling. And shortly then after I found GLP to vent my concerns and frustrations.......and here I am digging in a little bit more every day.yessir
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Yep, that's similar to how it evolved for me too. At first I thought Lanza was maybe copycatting Aurora, but in a school. I was so sad.

The inconsistencies bothered me though and I went online, then I saw Parker's video and got that horrible, in the gut feeling that something wasn't right. I researched and the more I looked into things, the more I suspicious I became.
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On the evening of, the law enforcement agency said the parents would not be allowed to see the bodies, and the bodies would remain in the school over the weekend. No parents seemed to object. However, overnight the bodies were whisked away to the morgue when nobody was around. The parents still weren't allowed to see the bodies but only pictures of bodies.

That was my first clue something very sinister had happened. That plus the lack of any hard evidence such as crime scene photos. The only photos we got were Obama posing with "dead" kids.

Last Edited by Zedakah on 01/12/2013 02:38 AM
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It was the people's reactions on the videos n TV.... after losing a brother and mom (different times) due to natural causes and I was prepared for it.....my eyes were always red and swollen and anyone can see it in my face I just lost someone. This was out right murder and terrifying..... and everyone was being interviewed like it was some casual event they were referring to and appearing like normal.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Laughing and smiling! Not a single tear amongst any of the victims families. To this day!

And the Kaitlin Roig interview. Fakest fakery ever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


Exactly! What was disturbing to me, I think to others as well was watching them all react this way. Maybe they were robots? Even a human actor would show some sadness (grief, horror) in their face when acting these parts.
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It reminded me of the movie, Stepford Wives.
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On the evening of, the law enforcement agency said the parents would not be allowed to see the bodies, and the bodies would remain in the school over the weekend. No parents seemed to object. However, overnight the bodies were whisked away to the morgue when nobody was around. The parents still weren't allowed to see the bodies but only pictures of bodies.

That was my first clue something very sinister had happened. That plus the lack of any hard evidence such as crime scene photos. The only photos we got were Obama posing with "dead" kids.
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yes i agree op

this had me noticing as well

any parent that didn't have a problem with this bizzare treatment of their children
....

this put up a red flag for me as well


i know if i was a parent i would be screaming

to see my kid
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The one where no one cared about sandy hook anymore. It happened a month ago. The bandwagon is on to gun control now. Keep up bro.
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True, it was some time ago but it is being used by gun control advocates as the last straw, so it seems part of the gun control bandwagon.
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On the evening of, the law enforcement agency said the parents would not be allowed to see the bodies, and the bodies would remain in the school over the weekend. No parents seemed to object. However, overnight the bodies were whisked away to the morgue when nobody was around. The parents still weren't allowed to see the bodies but only pictures of bodies.

That was my first clue something very sinister had happened. That plus the lack of any hard evidence such as crime scene photos. The only photos we got were Obama posing with "dead" kids.
 Quoting: Zedakah


yes i agree op

this had me noticing as well

any parent that didn't have a problem with this bizzare treatment of their children
....

this put up a red flag for me as well


i know if i was a parent i would be screaming

to see my kid
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Me to... and if I really felt I could not handle seeing the body, I would at least want a trusted relative to id. It's the only way I would have closure. It seems the only id done was with photos. I'd never heard of that before. I thought a relative was required to id a body before it was released to the funeral home.
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I have yet to find one argument that cannot be explained rationally. Therefore, I remain unsuspicious.
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I have yet to find one argument that cannot be explained rationally. Therefore, I remain unsuspicious.
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You mean you don't think they were robots? LOL (I'm tired)
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What about the BUS DRIVER that was "standing over the neat
semi circle of kids" on Gene Rosen's driveway?
Nobody talks about that person, but if the kids were in the driveway
why didnt the bus driver take them to safety instead of putting
them on a driveway of a STRANGER??

AND, why did the bus driver LET them go with the stranger
and not go with them?????
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The media claims that there were three .223 bullets in each kid. That would be a lot of trigger pulling by someone with an AR-15, and the only one "found" was in the car of the alleged perpetrator. So how did this happen?

Three shot groups are characteristic of a selective fire M-16, a weapon that's unavailable on the civilian market. The logical conclusion is that one or more military trained operatives did the deed, and dragged the alleged perpetrator along drugged as a patsy. Then they shot him with one of his own weapons.

There's still no useful videotape or other serious evidence that Adam did anything wrong. It's all circumstantial.
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When I first heard about Sandy Hook, I was truly shaken by the tragedy. I watch the aftermath unfold on television news reports and read more about it online.

I remember first becoming suspicious when the news reports started changing as I watched...things like Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school, then she wasn't; girlfriend was missing then nothing much about more about that; Ryan was shooter, Ryan was not shooter; father was dead in another state, then he wasn't; etc, ad naseum...and of course, since then the inconsistencies uncovered have proven numerous.

I blamed the first inconsistencies on the confusion of a crime scene.

But what really turned it around for me was the video statement by Robbie Parker, a parent. Not the one broadcast on television, but the less edited version found online.

I have lost people to death. I have even laughed at funerals if someone told a funny story about the deceased.

So it was not so much Parker's laughing prior to his statement that gave me pause, it was what followed that disturbed me. It made me physically ill when I saw it.

First there was a pause and then some getting-into character-type behavior. I thought to myself, why would someone who was grieving feel the need to pump up the emotion in that manner.

I can't imagine, after going through a tragic lost of a loved one, having the presence of mind to think to myself, "Oh, I'm going to be on camera so I need to get a sad face on now." And I've lost family members and I certainly didn't care if others thought I looked like I was in grief and that wouldn't change if I was going on camera.

In addition, there appears to me to be deception in his statement and in interviews with others connected with the incident. But I am no expert.

I would love to see someone who is an expert trained in lie detection actually go through the interviews and detail any "tells".
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I went and got my children out of school that day. I saw one photo of children being evacuated. So, there were 700 that attended Sandy Hook show me the pic of them being evacuated and of their parents waiting for them. I put myself my family my friends in that position how would we react what would it be like racing to the school to get my babies my friends my families babies?? It's not what I saw on TV! Shit stinks!
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When I first heard about Sandy Hook, I was truly shaken by the tragedy. I watch the aftermath unfold on television news reports and read more about it online.

I remember first becoming suspicious when the news reports started changing as I watched...things like Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school, then she wasn't; girlfriend was missing then nothing much about more about that; Ryan was shooter, Ryan was not shooter; father was dead in another state, then he wasn't; etc, ad naseum...and of course, since then the inconsistencies uncovered have proven numerous.

I blamed the first inconsistencies on the confusion of a crime scene.

But what really turned it around for me was the video statement by Robbie Parker, a parent. Not the one broadcast on television, but the less edited version found online.

I have lost people to death. I have even laughed at funerals if someone told a funny story about the deceased.

So it was not so much Parker's laughing prior to his statement that gave me pause, it was what followed that disturbed me. It made me physically ill when I saw it.

First there was a pause and then some getting-into character-type behavior. I thought to myself, why would someone who was grieving feel the need to pump up the emotion in that manner.

I can't imagine, after going through a tragic lost of a loved one, having the presence of mind to think to myself, "Oh, I'm going to be on camera so I need to get a sad face on now." And I've lost family members and I certainly didn't care if others thought I looked like I was in grief and that wouldn't change if I was going on camera.

In addition, there appears to me to be deception in his statement and in interviews with others connected with the incident. But I am no expert.

I would love to see someone who is an expert trained in lie detection actually go through the interviews and detail any "tells".
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When I first heard about Sandy Hook, I was truly shaken by the tragedy. I watch the aftermath unfold on television news reports and read more about it online.

I remember first becoming suspicious when the news reports started changing as I watched...things like Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school, then she wasn't; girlfriend was missing then nothing much about more about that; Ryan was shooter, Ryan was not shooter; father was dead in another state, then he wasn't; etc, ad naseum...and of course, since then the inconsistencies uncovered have proven numerous.

I blamed the first inconsistencies on the confusion of a crime scene.

But what really turned it around for me was the video statement by Robbie Parker, a parent. Not the one broadcast on television, but the less edited version found online.

I have lost people to death. I have even laughed at funerals if someone told a funny story about the deceased.

So it was not so much Parker's laughing prior to his statement that gave me pause, it was what followed that disturbed me. It made me physically ill when I saw it.

First there was a pause and then some getting-into character-type behavior. I thought to myself, why would someone who was grieving feel the need to pump up the emotion in that manner.

I can't imagine, after going through a tragic lost of a loved one, having the presence of mind to think to myself, "Oh, I'm going to be on camera so I need to get a sad face on now." And I've lost family members and I certainly didn't care if others thought I looked like I was in grief and that wouldn't change if I was going on camera.

In addition, there appears to me to be deception in his statement and in interviews with others connected with the incident. But I am no expert.

I would love to see someone who is an expert trained in lie detection actually go through the interviews and detail any "tells".
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I went and got my children out of school that day. I saw one photo of children being evacuated. So, there were 700 that attended Sandy Hook show me the pic of them being evacuated and of their parents waiting for them. I put myself my family my friends in that position how would we react what would it be like racing to the school to get my babies my friends my families babies?? It's not what I saw on TV! Shit stinks!
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It was the people's reactions on the videos n TV.... after losing a brother and mom (different times) due to natural causes and I was prepared for it.....my eyes were always red and swollen and anyone can see it in my face I just lost someone. This was out right murder and terrifying..... and everyone was being interviewed like it was some casual event they were referring to and appearing like normal.
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What about the BUS DRIVER that was "standing over the neat
semi circle of kids" on Gene Rosen's driveway?
Nobody talks about that person, but if the kids were in the driveway
why didnt the bus driver take them to safety instead of putting
them on a driveway of a STRANGER??

AND, why did the bus driver LET them go with the stranger
and not go with them?????
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