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The Last True Church Of Jesus Christ On Earth Is One Of The Heart

 
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and i don t get it why all this talk about the original sin.

was not jesus born in human flesh?
was his soul guilty of the original sin?
i think not.
his soul came to redeem that sin/matter.
and you can submit yourself to the concept of original sin.
but please do not speak in general terms, like any human is guilty of that original sin.

because we are many sons and daughters of man at this time.
and we have souls bathed in the living waters of the pure love.
and in that respect we are sinless.
and we came here to spill the living waters of our souls to redeem earth.

and in regard to the others, who feel guily of that original sin. they will be redeemed, those who qualify through repention. and we have no quarell with those who preach for repention. they have other work to do.

i am interested in where you stand. because i felt you as one of the sons of man from the vibration of pure love.
but now you speak a mixed message.

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Love the words in this thread! So very true.

I think all people, no matter how evil or disillusioned by the world, or those who have been hurt and feel no sense of compassion from others, can agree that love does exist.

When we realize the power of love, we are receiving the power of the Lord...

It is just very hard to do in a world ran by fear...

Blessings.
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Thank You
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Love the words in this thread! So very true.

I think all people, no matter how evil or disillusioned by the world, or those who have been hurt and feel no sense of compassion from others, can agree that love does exist.

When we realize the power of love, we are receiving the power of the Lord...

It is just very hard to do in a world ran by fear...

Blessings.
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and that is why it is a great honor to be born at such time and place for a soul from the frequency of pure love

blessings
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While I would agree that children are under the protection of guardian angels, I do not see how that necessarily negates their original sin. At this point, we would have to delve into the semantics and specifics of the practice of baptism and what it entails in order to find common ground in it's utility. In order for baptism to be effective, the child must fully understand what it is that they are being cleansed of, and what this means in regards to their accountability for sin from that day forth. This must be powerful enough to drive the point home with them, without causing them any emotional trauma or pain. In other words, it should be a positive reinforcing experience, and not a negative one.
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what is then the original sin that you as a soul are guilty of, dear brother?

the soul that indwells me is of the pure nature of universal love.
and it entered my body through the portal opened through the pure love between my parents.
it was fed in the gestation process with pure love.
it is sinless. as any other heveanly soul.

the concept of original sin makes sense only to the karma of blood/matter/generation/animal soul

the Son of Man, or the Heavenly Man, or Human proper knows no Sin because it is made in the image of god.

it only has to overcome the karma of flesh which may be easier or harder depending on case
 Quoting: andreidita


Perhaps it is the wording that is the problem here. I understand your point and I can see what you are driving at. The early church knew there was need of baptism, but was incorrect in identifying the reason why.

When a child commits a sin during this early 7 year time period, it is safe to label this original sin as it occurs in the early origins of the child's life, yet it is not right nor is it just that the child be judged for it yet, as they are still learning.

In this respect, the baptism wipes away the child's OWN original sin as a testament to the finality of the child's "grace period". In this way, the child has grown to learn right from wrong by experiencing sin first-hand and the pain it entails, and then can experience the joy and freedom of a life spent resisting sin after the baptism.
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While I would agree that children are under the protection of guardian angels, I do not see how that necessarily negates their original sin. At this point, we would have to delve into the semantics and specifics of the practice of baptism and what it entails in order to find common ground in it's utility. In order for baptism to be effective, the child must fully understand what it is that they are being cleansed of, and what this means in regards to their accountability for sin from that day forth. This must be powerful enough to drive the point home with them, without causing them any emotional trauma or pain. In other words, it should be a positive reinforcing experience, and not a negative one.
 Quoting: Rising Son


what is then the original sin that you as a soul are guilty of, dear brother?

the soul that indwells me is of the pure nature of universal love.
and it entered my body through the portal opened through the pure love between my parents.
it was fed in the gestation process with pure love.
it is sinless. as any other heveanly soul.

the concept of original sin makes sense only to the karma of blood/matter/generation/animal soul

the Son of Man, or the Heavenly Man, or Human proper knows no Sin because it is made in the image of god.

it only has to overcome the karma of flesh which may be easier or harder depending on case
 Quoting: andreidita


Perhaps it is the wording that is the problem here. I understand your point and I can see what you are driving at. The early church knew there was need of baptism, but was incorrect in identifying the reason why.

When a child commits a sin during this early 7 year time period, it is safe to label this original sin as it occurs in the early origins of the child's life, yet it is not right nor is it just that the child be judged for it yet, as they are still learning.

In this respect, the baptism wipes away the child's OWN original sin as a testament to the finality of the child's "grace period". In this way, the child has grown to learn right from wrong by experiencing sin first-hand and the pain it entails, and then can experience the joy and freedom of a life spent resisting sin after the baptism.
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ok, now your p[oint it's clear for me. and i agree with what you say.
but may i ask you if you comitted any sin in your first 7 years of life.
for i have done no sin in my first 7 years of life.
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While I would agree that children are under the protection of guardian angels, I do not see how that necessarily negates their original sin. At this point, we would have to delve into the semantics and specifics of the practice of baptism and what it entails in order to find common ground in it's utility. In order for baptism to be effective, the child must fully understand what it is that they are being cleansed of, and what this means in regards to their accountability for sin from that day forth. This must be powerful enough to drive the point home with them, without causing them any emotional trauma or pain. In other words, it should be a positive reinforcing experience, and not a negative one.
 Quoting: Rising Son


what is then the original sin that you as a soul are guilty of, dear brother?

the soul that indwells me is of the pure nature of universal love.
and it entered my body through the portal opened through the pure love between my parents.
it was fed in the gestation process with pure love.
it is sinless. as any other heveanly soul.

the concept of original sin makes sense only to the karma of blood/matter/generation/animal soul

the Son of Man, or the Heavenly Man, or Human proper knows no Sin because it is made in the image of god.

it only has to overcome the karma of flesh which may be easier or harder depending on case
 Quoting: andreidita


Perhaps it is the wording that is the problem here. I understand your point and I can see what you are driving at. The early church knew there was need of baptism, but was incorrect in identifying the reason why.

When a child commits a sin during this early 7 year time period, it is safe to label this original sin as it occurs in the early origins of the child's life, yet it is not right nor is it just that the child be judged for it yet, as they are still learning.

In this respect, the baptism wipes away the child's OWN original sin as a testament to the finality of the child's "grace period". In this way, the child has grown to learn right from wrong by experiencing sin first-hand and the pain it entails, and then can experience the joy and freedom of a life spent resisting sin after the baptism.
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ok, now your p[oint it's clear for me. and i agree with what you say.
but may i ask you if you comitted any sin in your first 7 years of life.
for i have done no sin in my first 7 years of life.
 Quoting: andreidita


I believe that you are far too concerned with the semantics and formalities, my friend. What we call it matters not. We have thus far differentiated this from sin by calling it original sin. For the purpose of clarity, we can call it mistakes, corrections, or even pre-conscience adjustments in the life lessons of early childhood.
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Love the words in this thread! So very true.

I think all people, no matter how evil or disillusioned by the world, or those who have been hurt and feel no sense of compassion from others, can agree that love does exist.

When we realize the power of love, we are receiving the power of the Lord...

It is just very hard to do in a world ran by fear...

Blessings.
 Quoting: Eazy D


and that is why it is a great honor to be born at such time and place for a soul from the frequency of pure love

blessings
 Quoting: andreidita


How so very true.
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Many have wondered what the last remaining true church of Jesus Christ on earth may be, and have described this church of people as the bride to be, awaiting the return of Jesus Christ as the bridegroom. Our first instinct when searching for this church is to look at organized religion, such as Catholicism, Lutheranism, Mormonism, Judaism (in a way), etc. This endeavor can be tiring, because after all of the little nuances and differentials among these man-made religions, it begins to feel like there may not be the church we seek for here on Earth.

Do not lose hope, those who have sought the church of Jesus Christ in earnest, because it is in fact here on Earth - it exists within your very heart. It's members are those who have read the bible and developed their own conclusions about the life and teaching of Jesus Christ, conclusions that speak to their intuition and spiritual instinct. Differences in this church are not looked at with anger or indignation, but rather an earnest desire for the truth, and comforting love of family that cannot be duplicated.

All man-made religions are as much right as they are wrong, but they are only wrong because they were created by man who is flawed. Every religion is special in it's own way, much like we as people are, and to take what you can get from that religion as it speaks to your heart is more profound than any words you may hear from another human, because what you have taken from it resonated with your heart, and it felt true. Our Father in heaven knows what dwells within each of our hearts, so do not fear nor feel the need to flee the church you currently attend. Simply go with Christ, and let His Spirit lead you :-)

hf
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Spare me.

Your AV says it all.
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Many have wondered what the last remaining true church of Jesus Christ on earth may be, and have described this church of people as the bride to be, awaiting the return of Jesus Christ as the bridegroom. Our first instinct when searching for this church is to look at organized religion, such as Catholicism, Lutheranism, Mormonism, Judaism (in a way), etc. This endeavor can be tiring, because after all of the little nuances and differentials among these man-made religions, it begins to feel like there may not be the church we seek for here on Earth.

Do not lose hope, those who have sought the church of Jesus Christ in earnest, because it is in fact here on Earth - it exists within your very heart. It's members are those who have read the bible and developed their own conclusions about the life and teaching of Jesus Christ, conclusions that speak to their intuition and spiritual instinct. Differences in this church are not looked at with anger or indignation, but rather an earnest desire for the truth, and comforting love of family that cannot be duplicated.

All man-made religions are as much right as they are wrong, but they are only wrong because they were created by man who is flawed. Every religion is special in it's own way, much like we as people are, and to take what you can get from that religion as it speaks to your heart is more profound than any words you may hear from another human, because what you have taken from it resonated with your heart, and it felt true. Our Father in heaven knows what dwells within each of our hearts, so do not fear nor feel the need to flee the church you currently attend. Simply go with Christ, and let His Spirit lead you :-)

hf
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Spare me.

Your AV says it all.
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I agree with you. We hear far too much about wolves in sheep's clothing, yet not the other way around.

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"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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I believe that you are far too concerned with the semantics and formalities, my friend. What we call it matters not. We have thus far differentiated this from sin by calling it original sin. For the purpose of clarity, we can call it mistakes, corrections, or even pre-conscience adjustments in the life lessons of early childhood.
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although it is true that i like to delve into semantics, the main point was substantial though.

original sin vs immaculate conception if you like.

as a spiritual spark of consciousness i came here through immaculate conception, clothing myself in a soul of pure universal love.
from this standpoint the concept of original sin or whatever you want to call it is irrelevant.

the lot of souls evolved on this planet it is at least to be worthy of the name of a Son of Man.
to walk upon the path set by figures like jesus.

and as jesus was not guilty of any original sin, but came to this world through immaculate conception (and this is a direct reference to the soul, not some s.f. ideas about physical conception)

and as he was a Wayshower and a Path Opener, not an idol

his message was that each soul can follow his path, for each soul is born to this world through immaculate conception.
not out of an original sin.

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I agree with your thread 100% OP. I think the true church is the Lord's world at large. God and Jesus are all around us and as the good works we can do in His name are all around us, so is His church. I think time is such that the need for interpretation is past. If you are filled with His Spirit, I have found that it is all very clear when you read the Scriptures. As I have come closer and closer to the Lord in these past 7 years or so, I have found that I have had less and less trouble interpreting the Scriptures and find it so comforting and a blessing that I find this so. I see His hand in many more things on a daily basis most recently and this has also been increasingly so. I have always believed, but the depth of that belief and the peace and stillness I feel and lack of fright at this point in such times as this I find miraculous in itself. I can't say my life is perfect or that everything's going my way, but I can tell you my relationship with God is better than ever and has made all else pale in comparison. It is my hope you are all finding this to be true yourselves. It is a pleasure to be able to share this with others as my church is the world at large also. I think maybe for the fact that the internet can be an instrument of evil, it also too can be an instrument of bringing believers closer in His word. God bless you all, and thanks OP for bringing up this subject! :-)
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brother, one amendment though.
it is not necessary to read the bible, but to live upon the principles of the heart, which are spelled also by jesus.

the kingdom of the heart is based upon the living book which is the soul itself.

around 1 year ago i've met by 'chance' in the bus an orthodox monk who lives in the forest and who started a conversation with me, to tell me in the end that the reason he talked with me was to tell me that the hard part of the road is over, and christ will soon come to redeem his bride, and to be strong and carry the cross till the end.

and i did not read the bible. but i live true to the name i was given andrew, i accepted to bear the cross etc.

the bible is a dead book, as long as the living word does not rest in one's heart.
and the living word needs no written books to speak clearly through one's heart
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"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

"Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2nd Timothy 2:15

"And that from a child you have known the holy scriptures, which are able to make you wise to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." 2nd Timothy 3:15

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children." Hosea 4:6
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"The heart (soul) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9


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what can i say, very christian in spirit :)
heart is the place of the soul.
if for jeremiah it was deceitful, or you find it to be so,
what can i say than to search deeper,
because surely you will find a place of purity deeply hidden in your soul,
in that place of inner purity you will find the true one,
not in a place of fear and remorse

blessings
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For those that are still monitoring this thread, I think that I may have spoken too soon. Today I attended a church service at an LDS church here in Okinawa with some very close friends of mine. They have helped me when I was down, and I believe they have truly helped me seek out the Lord, for I feel Him work through me in a very real sense.

During the service, I found myself trying to find fault with this religion in any way I could, and I was beginning to feel bad for doing so during this service. However, the longer I sat there, the less unsure I was becoming, and the more legitimate the church seemed to me. I have begun to think, for all of the supposed misgivings and criticisms of the Mormon religion, very few have walked this path and come away from it with criticisms of their own.

As I continued on with the service and attended a discussion on salvation, my doubts were further put to rest. What these people of God were telling me was speaking directly to my heart and it was resonating with it, undeniably so. Perhaps I was thinking too much into it, but the feeling of definitive serenity that came over me there could not be defined, and I stopped trying to cast doubt on the faith of these people.

What I ask all of you is this: what criticisms do you have of the Mormon religion that could negate it's authenticity as a true church of Jesus Christ? Please be honest, and try to speak without bias or stereotypes - speak from what you know that has been verified, and if you would not mind doing so, provide verification with the criticisms you bring. Thank you all in advance for your help, and I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
 Quoting: Rising Son





So... Do you believe that Christ and Satan are brothers?

Do you believe that you will be "god" of your own planet someday?

There are hundreds of false doctrines taught by this church. There are also plenty of truths, just like any church. That is how Satan works. Present a lot of truth, to get you to accept the poison.

This one site (one of millions) will quickly answer your questions:

[link to carm.org]


Satan's ministers don't come dressed up as devils. Nobody would be deceived that way. They come just like Satan, as angels of light. Ministers of righteousness.

I find it interesting to compare your original post, with this latest leap into the fire.
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"The heart (soul) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32005678


what can i say, very christian in spirit :)
heart is the place of the soul.
if for jeremiah it was deceitful, or you find it to be so,
what can i say than to search deeper,
because surely you will find a place of purity deeply hidden in your soul,
in that place of inner purity you will find the true one,
not in a place of fear and remorse

blessings
 Quoting: andreidita




Do not add to the word.

And yes, quoting a prophet of God is very Christian in spirit.

Thanks.
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"The heart (soul) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32005678


what can i say, very christian in spirit :)
heart is the place of the soul.
if for jeremiah it was deceitful, or you find it to be so,
what can i say than to search deeper,
because surely you will find a place of purity deeply hidden in your soul,
in that place of inner purity you will find the true one,
not in a place of fear and remorse

blessings
 Quoting: andreidita


I do not consider an antichrist internet clown to be a "deeper" source of truth, than I find Jeremiah, a true prophet of the Lord.
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For those that are still monitoring this thread, I think that I may have spoken too soon. Today I attended a church service at an LDS church here in Okinawa with some very close friends of mine. They have helped me when I was down, and I believe they have truly helped me seek out the Lord, for I feel Him work through me in a very real sense.

During the service, I found myself trying to find fault with this religion in any way I could, and I was beginning to feel bad for doing so during this service. However, the longer I sat there, the less unsure I was becoming, and the more legitimate the church seemed to me. I have begun to think, for all of the supposed misgivings and criticisms of the Mormon religion, very few have walked this path and come away from it with criticisms of their own.

As I continued on with the service and attended a discussion on salvation, my doubts were further put to rest. What these people of God were telling me was speaking directly to my heart and it was resonating with it, undeniably so. Perhaps I was thinking too much into it, but the feeling of definitive serenity that came over me there could not be defined, and I stopped trying to cast doubt on the faith of these people.

What I ask all of you is this: what criticisms do you have of the Mormon religion that could negate it's authenticity as a true church of Jesus Christ? Please be honest, and try to speak without bias or stereotypes - speak from what you know that has been verified, and if you would not mind doing so, provide verification with the criticisms you bring. Thank you all in advance for your help, and I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
 Quoting: Rising Son





So... Do you believe that Christ and Satan are brothers?

Do you believe that you will be "god" of your own planet someday?

There are hundreds of false doctrines taught by this church. There are also plenty of truths, just like any church. That is how Satan works. Present a lot of truth, to get you to accept the poison.

This one site (one of millions) will quickly answer your questions:

[link to carm.org]


Satan's ministers don't come dressed up as devils. Nobody would be deceived that way. They come just like Satan, as angels of light. Ministers of righteousness.

I find it interesting to compare your original post, with this latest leap into the fire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32005678


I am sorry to let you down in that respect, but I thought that if we seek the Truth in earnest, God will guide us and show us the way. I fear no evil when I invoke the help of our heavenly Father to show me the Truth.

I agree that Satan uses "micro-truths" to bait us into biting the forbidden fruit, but if we seek the Truth in the confines of God's Laws for us, as in we are not breaking them, will we not find the Truth?

As far as the points you bring up: Satan was a fallen Arch Angel known as Lucifer. To refer to him as the brother of Jesus Christ takes some deliberation to understand, but I can see how it can be true. Are Angels not children of God as well? If they are, then Lucifer was at least at one time a child of God, and as Jesus Christ is the Son of God, it would be reasonable to say they are brothers - the difference being that one accepted the Will of the Father, while the other rejected it.

As far as believing that we will be a "god" of our own planet, I have discovered that Mormons do not believe this as you have written it. They believe that we will inherit the planet Earth as was prophesied, and they believe we will receive in the afterlife what we are due according to how we lived our life now, but they do not think that any of us will be gods, only beings desiring to be god-like in our endeavors, without ever forgetting where we came from and who brought us to this point.

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Do not add to the word.

And yes, quoting a prophet of God is very Christian in spirit.

Thanks.
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did jesus spoke in quotes of the prophets or in parables?
and jeremiah might have been a true prophet. as a living being that is.

you just said in the reply to the op that as any religion they mix a lot of lies with truths.
on the other hand the word of the bible (which translation?) it is for you untouchable truth.
just because.
i don't know about who your Lord is, but the God i know gave me a mind to understand and enquire into the nature o things, gave me a soul to commune with him, gave me a tongue to speak truth.

so do as you please, bow to any Lord you want.

but do not tell me on that tone to not add to the WORD! :))
because you are free to keep the word intact forever more,
and i can express how i see fit.

and lighten up a bit,
for you are much more closer to the anti christ, and you don't even know it :)

and mind you, i didn't say i am in some way 'deeper', just that you look into your soul.

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and rising son please do not take my words as some kind of attack. i speak them based on how i perceive you through our conversation.

and i sense in this thread a note in what you say that is a little different, although the core of the message is the familiar one :)


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RS, concerning to your question about mormon faith, i do not know it, so i will not comment upon it.

but i have to admit that what you said explained a bit why i told you earlier in the thread that there is something different in what you say :)
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and rising son please do not take my words as some kind of attack. i speak them based on how i perceive you through our conversation.

and i sense in this thread a note in what you say that is a little different, although the core of the message is the familiar one :)


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RS, concerning to your question about mormon faith, i do not know it, so i will not comment upon it.

but i have to admit that what you said explained a bit why i told you earlier in the thread that there is something different in what you say :)
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Thank you for your encouraging words - that is very comforting to me and helpful to know that I am presenting what I have found in a way worthy of such praise. The words I have written in this thread (aside from my latest question about the Mormons) truly do not feel like my own - almost to the point that I had to re-read what I have written to realize what I wrote, then think to myself - "Did I really just write that?" This has been a very powerful (and weird) experience for me, and I really do not want the roller coaster ride to end.

Thank you again for your encouragement and kindness, I am blessed to have you in my life - you truly are a loving soul :-)
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Thank you for your encouraging words - that is very comforting to me and helpful to know that I am presenting what I have found in a way worthy of such praise. The words I have written in this thread (aside from my latest question about the Mormons) truly do not feel like my own - almost to the point that I had to re-read what I have written to realize what I wrote, then think to myself - "Did I really just write that?" This has been a very powerful (and weird) experience for me, and I really do not want the roller coaster ride to end.

Thank you again for your encouragement and kindness, I am blessed to have you in my life - you truly are a loving soul :-)
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and to be honest the most important thing are the living souls to which one connects.
i am sure that in any faith you can find pure souls and also not so pure ones, and this applies also to priests and such.
in the orthodox faith there are many priests who do not truly work in the spirit of christ, but there are also those who work in the spirit of christ
so what is important i think are the souls which if they are pure will confort yo and ease your burden, not the dogma of that particular faith.
and the souls that you met there, only your soul can know of what nature are
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In the spirit of continuing to define the last true church of Jesus Christ without becoming sidelined with my questions regarding the Mormon religion (hopefully the two paths meet somewhere), I want to talk about the concept of the "Peaceful Warrior."

I believe that our Father calls us to be spiritual warriors with Christ in the epic battle for the souls of mankind. However, I do not believe that God desires for us to become warriors in the traditional human sense of the word. I believe God wants us to fight against Satan by resisting his deceiving ways, and standing strong in the defense of our souls by using a spiritual form of civil disobedience to the worldly ways of Satan.

We often view a warrior as someone who fights for what they believe in, that they inflict great damage and pain to their enemy, and that they would die to protect the ones they love. The greatest way to destroy that which is evil is by refusing to succumb and surrender to it, resisting the temptation to fight evil with more evil. If we can learn to do this, the evil in this world will self-destruct in the fury of Satan's arrogant ways, and we will emerge victorious in the ultimate glory and honor of our heavenly Father.
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Thank you for your encouraging words - that is very comforting to me and helpful to know that I am presenting what I have found in a way worthy of such praise. The words I have written in this thread (aside from my latest question about the Mormons) truly do not feel like my own - almost to the point that I had to re-read what I have written to realize what I wrote, then think to myself - "Did I really just write that?" This has been a very powerful (and weird) experience for me, and I really do not want the roller coaster ride to end.

Thank you again for your encouragement and kindness, I am blessed to have you in my life - you truly are a loving soul :-)
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and to be honest the most important thing are the living souls to which one connects.
i am sure that in any faith you can find pure souls and also not so pure ones, and this applies also to priests and such.
in the orthodox faith there are many priests who do not truly work in the spirit of christ, but there are also those who work in the spirit of christ
so what is important i think are the souls which if they are pure will confort yo and ease your burden, not the dogma of that particular faith.
and the souls that you met there, only your soul can know of what nature are
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How true - I haven't considered it that way. Essentially, not giving up on or sacrificing everything and everyone in a particular religion for the misgivings and misguidance of only a few. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. What you said speaks to me, because that is essentially what drew me to the Mormon religion - their reliance on and importance of the family concept. Thank you again for your help and guidance :-)
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Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Hey OP, I was in seminary for about 3 years, dropped out because I realized they were manufacturing professionals to "manage" the church. That was not the reason I attended in the first place.

The best book I have read in the past 10 years (including seminary) was Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola. I read this after I dropped out of seminary, it taught me many many things they conveniently left out of their curriculum.

[link to www.amazon.com]

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Sorry OP, Christ's Church has been visible for 2000 years,
for almost the entire New Covenant.

Jesus wouldn't leave us not knowing. Each Christian deciding
for themselves.

Everything you know of Christ is only because of His Church which gave you and the world the faith, Roman Catholicism, (less the Old Testament prophecies pointing to Our Savior).

Give your heart to the most Sacred Heart of Jesus and follow
all that He commands you to do.

A vision has been given, of Protestants rushing forward past
there brother and sisters (Catholics) to receive the most
Holy Eucharist. Recall, okay, believe, it's going to happen.

The Millennium is the Eucharistic reign of Our Lord Jesus
Christ. hf
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Sorry OP, Christ's Church has been visible for 2000 years,
for almost the entire New Covenant.

Jesus wouldn't leave us not knowing. Each Christian deciding
for themselves.

Everything you know of Christ is only because of His Church which gave you and the world the faith, Roman Catholicism, (less the Old Testament prophecies pointing to Our Savior).

Give your heart to the most Sacred Heart of Jesus and follow
all that He commands you to do.

A vision has been given, of Protestants rushing forward past
there brother and sisters (Catholics) to receive the most
Holy Eucharist. Recall, okay, believe, it's going to happen.

The Millennium is the Eucharistic reign of Our Lord Jesus
Christ. hf
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I respect your opinion, and I wish to continue discussing theology with you without emotion getting the better of either one of us, so please do not become offended with my response or what I have to say - I am only saying it to invite further discussion, dialogue, and discourse.

What troubles me about what you wrote is your limited self-reflection on the church you call your own, yet you are not shy or cautious to judge the Protestants, your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, for believing falsely. While this may be explained by simply saying that your convictions of faith are strong, I believe it demonstrates a self-conscious flaw with your line of thinking and the way you view the world.

I do not wish to negate what you said about Roman Catholicism, but I do wish to invite you to defend it - and to do so with civility and honor as you would envision Christ defending it. Please read earlier in this thread concerning the inconsistencies and flaws with the Catholic Church, and respond with your explanations for them.

Thank you for responding, and I look forward to hearing what you have to say, my friend :-)
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One of the biggest tools that Satan has at his disposal is the sin of pride and arrogance. One of the biggest downfalls to arrogance that you will only find in the fine print of the deal that Satan is trying to get you to sign is this: arrogance limits or restricts your ability to properly, honestly, and adequately self-reflect and self-assess. Arrogance causes us to see only what we want to, and for that reason, arrogant people will always be at a disadvantage to those more humble than they are, mainly because honest self-reflection leads to very real and tangible self-improvement.

Honest self-reflection takes a great deal of courage to accomplish, and if it were an easy task, everyone would be doing it. However, if we are able to table our pride long enough to see ourselves for who we really are, that will inspire us to change our ways, and we will be all the better for it. It starts with a single step, then another, but it is a long and arduous journey, requiring us to be ever watchful to avoid complacency, and the return to our prideful and wicked ways.

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"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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What I ask all of you is this: what criticisms do you have of the Mormon religion that could negate it's authenticity as a true church of Jesus Christ? Please be honest, and try to speak without bias or stereotypes - speak from what you know that has been verified, and if you would not mind doing so, provide verification with the criticisms you bring. Thank you all in advance for your help, and I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
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Forge your own path, friend. I think you would be doing a disservice to yourself if you were to seek confirmation or approval of your beliefs in others.

Can you perceive how restricting and limiting labels can be to your consciousness?? When you choose to identify with a label, you are in fact limiting yourself to constructs that you had no say in creating or shaping. When you align yourself with a label or designation, you become subjected to the opinions/criticisms/discretion of the collection of others who identify with the same label. You will be caught in a never-ending cycle of trying to conform and align your feelings with those of others that you perceive to share the same designation as you. You will become preoccupied with the beliefs of others and with what exists external to your own being when the instructions are to look WITHIN.

What happens if your life experiences and intuition/awareness leads you to have feelings that are not supported by the constructs of the label/designation you choose to identify with? What happens if you have your own ideas/thoughts/conceptualizations that are not shared by others whom you choose to identify with? What happens if you find that others that you identify with are advocating feelings/thoughts that do not resonate with your own consciousness??? Answer - internal conflict, disharmony, dissonance within.

You are on a personal spiritual journey and how you understand or conceptualize that which you perceive to be God/Creator/Higher Power/Spiritual Realm is fundamentally unique and individualized to your own state of consciousness/awareness. There is no religion, text, theory, or belief system that owns a copyright on that which cannot be copyrighted. Ask 100 different members of any religious designation (or those with no designation) to write an essay on what the above mentioned conceptualizations mean to them, and every single time you will receive 100 unique responses. No two individuals can share the exact same perception.

There is no right or wrong answer to your question above and I think you will find that when we lose our focus and become preoccupied with the labels, designations, thoughts, and methodology of others- we are hindering our own personal growth & progression. Blaze your own trail.

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