March 21, 2013 - The Great Tribulation starts...

I watched that Daniel's Timeline video a couple of years ago, it is very interesting and it makes a strong point. However I was influenced by my pre-tribulation rapture belief, with the rapture before the 70th week. If he's right then we are already in the 7 year tribulation period. If this is true then the rapture will be before The GREAT tribulation, before the midpoint and 3,5 years into Daniel's 70th week. If THAT is true we are so very very close. I've had more confirmations lately that this is true.

Indeed. Does not mean we all have to drink the koolaid, but it is important to look beyond your own comfort zone. I wonder how many of the 1-star giving folks, which is fine, have actually taken the time to watch, even just the first 30 minutes of what he has to say?

Thank you for your feedback. Yes, many have a powerful pre-trib rapture belief, which is a cozy idea. On these matters, I pray and seek not my own understanding from the Word, for often it is far beyond my understanding.

Yet, it really does not matter, rapture or no rapture, if this brother is correct (as you pointed out), we are apparently really close! He lays out his blessed research, for everyone to see and analyze.

Please read this prayerfully.

Daniel is a completed work, there is nothing more for him to do, let him have his rest.

Daniel 11:45 reads: And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:1 reads: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

What time? At that time spoken of in Daniel 11:45 when he planted the tabernaclles of his palace beteween the saes in the glorius holy mountain.

Was this not the Romans, the fourth beast spoken of in Daniel? Yes, it was as the Romans plantedd thier tabernacles there did they not? Wasn't the judgment seat of Ceaser there, before whom Christ was taken?

Revelation 12:7-9 reads: And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So you see the war in Daniel is the same war in Revelation - Daniel 12 is contemporary with Revelation 12 - which war takes place immediately after we see Jesus crucified and taken to heaven int Revelation 12:5 below.

Revelation 12:5 reads: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

This is true for Daniel and ALL the prophets, else how could Jesus say: "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

Brothers I ask you, if anything from the old testament prophecies is NOT complete how could Jesus say this? If the law and prophets still had work to do why would Jesus say they "were"... past tense? If they still had force of effect Jesus would be a liar.

And how could he say, "They are those which testify of me, but you will not come to me"? All the old testament prophecies were pointing to Christ and nothing else. All Daniel and all the prophets had to say spoke to his coming to Jerusalem and the regathering of his people out of all kindreds and tongues and nations. Jesus told us this also by the Holy Spirit when he testified this: "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." We have aslo this testimony: "And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? arthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."

Brothers this is confirmation that the prophecies are COMPLETE! Jews out of every nation and kindred were there to be regathered unto God through the preaching of Jesus.

Trying to fit completed prophicies into this world will only result in confusion and every evil work; does not this confusion reign supreme today?

And I ask a question; why would someone want christians to believe the regathering of Israel out of every Nation and the restoration of them as a nation is yet future?

I will tell you, GREAT DECEPTION!

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Thank you - appreciate the detailed response. I will study and pray on this.

Start of the great tribulation is April 2013. (opening of the 7th seal).
Rapture will be in June/July 2013. However only for a very small percentage. (at a maximum 20 million people - 0,3 % of the population) These people will leave the earth. Some of them will return in September as adult Ascended Masters.

2. Ascension wave during the 3 day- and nightdarkness (is also the end of the 3. World War) about January 2014. Then start of 41/42 months of NWO.

Detailed information by Jesus Christ:

[link to christus-spricht.com]

No more dates. If the Mayan calendar could not deliver, what makes you think this manner of scrying can? No more dates.

Is Austria is still full of pagan morons?

Thank you for the PDF - I will strive to get into this as well.

do not bother!

Can you summarize?

Thank you

Because it is taken from God's words in the Bible. Still man's interpretation though, could be wrong, no man is perfect.

The Mayan calendar on the other was given to them by Fallen Angels (or their gods) so it can't be trusted because they are not in control of the big things, God is in control.

Quote from that Satanic crap:

"The faith alone is only from intellectual nature and is not able to change even a single human."

How dare you spread lies about Jesus Christ and corrupt his messages?

Ah yes, I am reading now, the Introduction from the PDF -

"If you try to live in love it is irrelevant which religion you belong to or whether you do believe in God or not."


The problem here is that this author is very spiritual, which followers of Jesus must be as well. Yet, Satan is also busy in the spirit world. Hence, we have to have our frequencies well-tuned.

The quote above from the authors link to the PDF book is 50% right, and thus 100% wrong. Why? From what trhe holy scriptures tell us, when the apostles asked Jesus what was the most important laws, he replied:

Matthew 22:37-40

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

We need to establish a personal, loving and spiritual relationship with God. Jesus opened up these possibilities for us. God is our Father above all else.

Hello Aman,

You are mistaken in your text above, for the Book of Daniel talks also of things still TO COME.

I start with scripture from Jesus as a background to the Old Testament in general:

Matthew 5:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Then I include this very clear scripture from Jesus Christ once again, below. Here I include several verses further, for it falls directly in this threads main point - when it happens, it will happen fast, BUT, as the video on the link points out, we as followers of Jesus CAN know ahead of time, as scripture points out.

Here, it is clear, Jesus himself, see's Daniel as direction of future events --


Matthew 24:

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.



I hope this helps you and others. God be with you.

Peace.

I spread the messages of Jesus Christ. I do not corrupt anything.
It is more than enough to live love - so to say to follow the path of Jesus. Even if you do not believe in any spirit world.
The murder, cheater or burgler that daily wents to the church and believes in God is obviously far away from beeing a "good" person. Yes I know, you think the most important thing is to believe in God.......lol

following on in Matthew 5 we see that Jesus states the written law and then expounds on the spiritual, true meaning of each point.

he was teaching the true law of the one who is true, his father in heaven; which law is different from the law written. for they having the law only knew the written, no mercy, finger-pointing law of the flesh, which was weak through the flesh.

the law is spiritual, not carnal.

so, which law is he saying will not pass, the spiritual or the carnal?

ask yourself this, "why is jesus contradicting himself?" he says: ye have heard of old time, eye for an eye, but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also...

wait a minute here!

in exodus 21 the LORD is expounding judgments unto moses and one of those is: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

jesus is contradicting the law of moses! (did they not claim the same of all the apostles?)

so now we must consider this problem, but there is a solution. what you are seeing before your very own eyes is the two ways!

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life!

old tesstament ways = tree of knowledge of good and evil (a remembrance is made every year of sins)

new teatament ways = tree of life (there is no more conscience of sins)

or do you not know that we who are baptised into the lord jesus christ are baptised into his death? ye are dead already if you are in him. you no longer live unto this world and the earth and the heavens which are now have passed; we are alerady living in the kingdom of heaven because it is in us.


now to jesus speaking of the abomination as if future; he wasn't crucified when he spoke that so... was not 70AD future to when he was speaking?

Does the Book of Daniel not talk of things still to come?

It is all relatively simple. Yet so very complex. It comes down to or starts with:

Matthew 22:37-40

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


And my favorite, although my favorite or yours really does not matter. If we could all just accomplish what Jesus says above first ---

Galatians 5:22-23

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Post-Trib Pre-Wrath is when it happens. Most Christians will be dead by then. The ones who are left will be taken up

Interesting -

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Numerous, or even masses of, people believing in something does not make it true.

Writing and re-writing and editing and re-editing a book to match past events as prophecy foretold is not valid.

I am not about to re-drone myself because something MIGHT be true, that concept is wholly illogical.

you are correct, it does not talk of things still to come.

you cannot see this because you have not sought our fathers counsel on the matter.

i only adjure you to go to him in prayer and see what he tells you concerning what has been revealed.

i wish a friend of mine had listened to what my father told him by me, but he, as you, said i did not know god... he immediately became my enemy for the word I had given him from the throne of compassion. but what things my father told him were true - the dream became 100% fact - and to this day he knows it, though he hates me.

if i come here to give a warning or to set forth truth why do you resist?

again, go to your closet and seek these things from the throne of grace, he will not reprove.

...March 21,2013 beginning of great trib.? In which case are we missing anything...? Like a "daily sacrifice" or a temple to perform this sacrifice in...? Although I don't subscribe to a rebuilt temple...It would most definitely would be standing & functioning by now....unless you think they can get it done within the next 60 day's...? Don't think so....!

I think that this is a bit too early......perhaps March of 2014 will be the time.


The midpoint is marked by the man of evil and false prophet placing the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem and requiring people to take the mark. Then there will be a great persecution of first the Jews and then the Gentile Christians (Rev 12). This is the 5th Seal of Revelation.



Prior to the 5th Seal............you need the 3rd and 4th Seals first.........a day's wages for a loaf of bread on a worldwide basis and much death worldwide.


The man of evil will be someone who comes back from the dead......and because of this miracle.....many will follow him. This has not taken place yet either.


Israel is back in it's original homeland......a major prophecy fulfilled. Heads up for the 3rd Seal next.


Then perhaps a well known leader being killed.......and coming back to life.

Things are moving fast now.

It actually starts on the 22nd, and it is mid-tribulation, not the start of the great tribulation.

So could comet PANSTARRS be the blue star kachina?