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Please read this prayerfully.

Daniel is a completed work, there is nothing more for him to do, let him have his rest.

Daniel 11:45 reads: And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:1 reads: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

What time? At that time spoken of in Daniel 11:45 when he planted the tabernaclles of his palace beteween the saes in the glorius holy mountain.

Was this not the Romans, the fourth beast spoken of in Daniel? Yes, it was as the Romans plantedd thier tabernacles there did they not? Wasn't the judgment seat of Ceaser there, before whom Christ was taken?

Revelation 12:7-9 reads: And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So you see the war in Daniel is the same war in Revelation - Daniel 12 is contemporary with Revelation 12 - which war takes place immediately after we see Jesus crucified and taken to heaven int Revelation 12:5 below.

Revelation 12:5 reads: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

This is true for Daniel and ALL the prophets, else how could Jesus say: "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

Brothers I ask you, if anything from the old testament prophecies is NOT complete how could Jesus say this? If the law and prophets still had work to do why would Jesus say they "were"... past tense? If they still had force of effect Jesus would be a liar.

And how could he say, "They are those which testify of me, but you will not come to me"? All the old testament prophecies were pointing to Christ and nothing else. All Daniel and all the prophets had to say spoke to his coming to Jerusalem and the regathering of his people out of all kindreds and tongues and nations. Jesus told us this also by the Holy Spirit when he testified this: "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." We have aslo this testimony: "And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? arthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."

Brothers this is confirmation that the prophecies are COMPLETE! Jews out of every nation and kindred were there to be regathered unto God through the preaching of Jesus.

Trying to fit completed prophicies into this world will only result in confusion and every evil work; does not this confusion reign supreme today?

And I ask a question; why would someone want christians to believe the regathering of Israel out of every Nation and the restoration of them as a nation is yet future?

I will tell you, GREAT DECEPTION!
 Quoting: Aman


Hello Aman,

You are mistaken in your text above, for the Book of Daniel talks also of things still TO COME.

I start with scripture from Jesus as a background to the Old Testament in general:

Matthew 5:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Then I include this very clear scripture from Jesus Christ once again, below. Here I include several verses further, for it falls directly in this threads main point - when it happens, it will happen fast, BUT, as the video on the link points out, we as followers of Jesus CAN know ahead of time, as scripture points out.

Here, it is clear, Jesus himself, see's Daniel as direction of future events --


Matthew 24:

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.



I hope this helps you and others. God be with you.

Peace.
 Quoting: 2012Portal


following on in Matthew 5 we see that Jesus states the written law and then expounds on the spiritual, true meaning of each point.

he was teaching the true law of the one who is true, his father in heaven; which law is different from the law written. for they having the law only knew the written, no mercy, finger-pointing law of the flesh, which was weak through the flesh.

the law is spiritual, not carnal.

so, which law is he saying will not pass, the spiritual or the carnal?

ask yourself this, "why is jesus contradicting himself?" he says: ye have heard of old time, eye for an eye, but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also...

wait a minute here!

in exodus 21 the LORD is expounding judgments unto moses and one of those is: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

jesus is contradicting the law of moses! (did they not claim the same of all the apostles?)

so now we must consider this problem, but there is a solution. what you are seeing before your very own eyes is the two ways!

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life!

old tesstament ways = tree of knowledge of good and evil (a remembrance is made every year of sins)

new teatament ways = tree of life (there is no more conscience of sins)

or do you not know that we who are baptised into the lord jesus christ are baptised into his death? ye are dead already if you are in him. you no longer live unto this world and the earth and the heavens which are now have passed; we are alerady living in the kingdom of heaven because it is in us.


now to jesus speaking of the abomination as if future; he wasn't crucified when he spoke that so... was not 70AD future to when he was speaking?
 Quoting: Aman


Does the Book of Daniel not talk of things still to come?
 Quoting: 2012Portal


you are correct, it does not talk of things still to come.

you cannot see this because you have not sought our fathers counsel on the matter.

i only adjure you to go to him in prayer and see what he tells you concerning what has been revealed.

i wish a friend of mine had listened to what my father told him by me, but he, as you, said i did not know god... he immediately became my enemy for the word I had given him from the throne of compassion. but what things my father told him were true - the dream became 100% fact - and to this day he knows it, though he hates me.

if i come here to give a warning or to set forth truth why do you resist?

again, go to your closet and seek these things from the throne of grace, he will not reprove.
 
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