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Defence chiefs have drawn up new contingency plans designed to prevent hostile action by Argentina towards the Falkland Islands.

It is understood that additional troops, another warship and extra RAF Typhoon combat aircraft could be dispatched to the region ahead of the March referendum on the Falkland Islands’ future.

The options being proposed by planners at the Permanent Joint Headquarters in Northwood, north-west London are also said to include a “show of force” such as conducting naval exercises in the South Atlantic.

These could involve the deployment of the Royal Navy’s Response Task Force Group, a flotilla comprising destroyers, a frigate, a submarine and commandos.

Alternatives include deploying elements of the Army’s 16 Air Assault Brigade — the airborne task force which includes members of the Parachute Regiment — which has just completed a series of demanding exercises in Spain preparing for “general war”.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

How Britian's current military forces compare to 1982:

1982

Armed Forces Personnel: 320,000
Ships: 2 Carriers, 2 Assault ships, 32 Submarines, 15 Destroyers, 46 Frigates, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 12 Hydrographic survey ships, 15 Patrol ships/craft, 29 Minesweepers and minehunters, 45 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Aircraft: 400 plus

2013

Armed Forces personnel:160,000
Ships: 0 Carriers, 9 Submarines, 7 Destroyers, 13 Frigates, 2 Assault/Helicopter Carriers, 2 Assault/Command Ships, 3 RFA Landing Ships, 3 Survey ships, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 4 Patrol Ships, 15 Minehunters, 10 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Fighter Aircraft: 130

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good luck and may the best country win
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Will you get any help this time from your neighbours?
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maybe venezuela and ecuador, not sure about brazil
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Argentina will fold like a cheap Walmart lawn chair.
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you again... stupid canadian
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This ain't the 80's.
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maybe venezuela and ecuador, not sure about brazil
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What military resources can they offer, any decent missiles, ships or aircraft? Whats your military like now, any advances since the last war?
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This ain't the 80's.
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no, you're right, and you wouldn't BELIEVE the fucking toys we have now.
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LOL what war? Britain is lame nowadays but Argentina still doesn't stand a chance. Not even if the whole Bolivarian socialist union joins them cruise
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It's clear that the Malvinas belong to Argentina - the Islands are just off the Argentine coast FFS. The British only want to hang on to the "Falklands" because there's some oil potential, but still they are doing nothing about it.

What they need to do is sell the Malvinas back to Argentina. That way the Brits get some cash in the kitty and the Argentines can then exploit the oil wealth and put some life back into their economy. The existing inhabitants are automatically granted joint UK/Argentine citizenship and everyone lives happily ever after.

Besides, the Malvinas needs an influx of latin ladies to improve the local genetics - those pasty-faced, frumpy, inbred farmers' wives are an abomination. Just sayin...
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If Argentina start a war with the UK then all it will prove is that Kirchner has gone full retard.

My views on the status of the Falklands are well known, but that isn't the point here. I think that from an objective point of view the chances of Argentina doing well enough to save face in a war are pretty slim. Could they do some damage and kill British soldiers? Certainly. Could they do enough to make Britain give up the Falklands or force a negotiated settlement? I doubt it.

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If Argentina start a war with the UK then all it will prove is that Kirchner has gone full retard.

My views on the status of the Falklands are well known, but that isn't the point here. I think that from an objective point of view the chances of Argentina doing well enough to save face in a war are pretty slim. Could they do some damage and kill British soldiers? Certainly. Could they do enough to make Britain give up the Falklands or force a negotiated settlement? I doubt it.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


I think this time the UK would simply bomb mainland Argentina. It could be a disaster. If this socialist kook Kirchner starts a war for her own megalomaniacal aspirations, she will end up with lots of blood on her hands.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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If Argentina start a war with the UK then all it will prove is that Kirchner has gone full retard.

My views on the status of the Falklands are well known, but that isn't the point here. I think that from an objective point of view the chances of Argentina doing well enough to save face in a war are pretty slim. Could they do some damage and kill British soldiers? Certainly. Could they do enough to make Britain give up the Falklands or force a negotiated settlement? I doubt it.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


I think this time the UK would simply bomb mainland Argentina. It could be a disaster. If this socialist kook Kirchner starts a war for her own megalomaniacal aspirations, she will end up with lots of blood on her hands.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I think a mainland attack would be certain this time around, certainly a few key military installations hit by missiles.
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It's clear that the Malvinas belong to Argentina - the Islands are just off the Argentine coast FFS. The British only want to hang on to the "Falklands" because there's some oil potential, but still they are doing nothing about it.

What they need to do is sell the Malvinas back to Argentina. That way the Brits get some cash in the kitty and the Argentines can then exploit the oil wealth and put some life back into their economy. The existing inhabitants are automatically granted joint UK/Argentine citizenship and everyone lives happily ever after.

Besides, the Malvinas needs an influx of latin ladies to improve the local genetics - those pasty-faced, frumpy, inbred farmers' wives are an abomination. Just sayin...
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Yeah..except britain had settlers on the falklands decades before argentina's conception.
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good luck and may the best country win
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we can´t even have good railroad systems and you want to fight NATO country

cruise

it is just a show from the banksters

sheeple vs sheeple


it will never take place
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good luck and may the best country win
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we can´t even have good railroad systems and you want to fight NATO country

cruise

it is just a show from the banksters

sheeple vs sheeple


it will never take place
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Well never say never. You're right however in saying that it wouldn't be the people who instigate it, but the whacko elites, as usual.
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If Argentina start a war with the UK then all it will prove is that Kirchner has gone full retard.

My views on the status of the Falklands are well known, but that isn't the point here. I think that from an objective point of view the chances of Argentina doing well enough to save face in a war are pretty slim. Could they do some damage and kill British soldiers? Certainly. Could they do enough to make Britain give up the Falklands or force a negotiated settlement? I doubt it.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


I think this time the UK would simply bomb mainland Argentina. It could be a disaster. If this socialist kook Kirchner starts a war for her own megalomaniacal aspirations, she will end up with lots of blood on her hands.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I agree, although I'm not sure they would automatically go after the mainland.

I'm no supporter of Thatcher, but I do support how she handled the Falklands situation in '82. The one mistake she made in my opinion was to publicly rule out bombing mainland Argentina. The threat should have been there, even if in reality there was no intent to carry it out.
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If Argentina start a war with the UK then all it will prove is that Kirchner has gone full retard.

My views on the status of the Falklands are well known, but that isn't the point here. I think that from an objective point of view the chances of Argentina doing well enough to save face in a war are pretty slim. Could they do some damage and kill British soldiers? Certainly. Could they do enough to make Britain give up the Falklands or force a negotiated settlement? I doubt it.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


I think this time the UK would simply bomb mainland Argentina. It could be a disaster. If this socialist kook Kirchner starts a war for her own megalomaniacal aspirations, she will end up with lots of blood on her hands.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I agree, although I'm not sure they would automatically go after the mainland.

I'm no supporter of Thatcher, but I do support how she handled the Falklands situation in '82. The one mistake she made in my opinion was to publicly rule out bombing mainland Argentina. The threat should have been there, even if in reality there was no intent to carry it out.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


I hope they sent all the socialists to get killed in Kirchner's war, so the country will at least gain something out of it all.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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It's clear that the Malvinas belong to Argentina - the Islands are just off the Argentine coast FFS. The British only want to hang on to the "Falklands" because there's some oil potential, but still they are doing nothing about it.

What they need to do is sell the Malvinas back to Argentina. That way the Brits get some cash in the kitty and the Argentines can then exploit the oil wealth and put some life back into their economy. The existing inhabitants are automatically granted joint UK/Argentine citizenship and everyone lives happily ever after.

Besides, the Malvinas needs an influx of latin ladies to improve the local genetics - those pasty-faced, frumpy, inbred farmers' wives are an abomination. Just sayin...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31749514


Yeah..except britain had settlers on the falklands decades before argentina's conception.
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The UK, France, Spain, Argentina and even the US all have equal claim to the barren subantarctic wasteland known as the Malvinas. Only the UK and Argentina wish to assert it, luckily.

Here's how it all went down...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

1764-1767: France had a settlement on the Malvinas

1765-1770: Great Britain had a settlement on the Malvinas

1767-1811: Spain had a settlement on the Malvinas

1771-1776: Great Britain again had a settlement on the Malvinas

1811-1829: no one had a settlement on the Malvinas

1829-1831: Revolutionary Argentina (United Provinces) had a settlement on the Malvinas

1831-1832: The United States had a settlement on the Malvinas

1832-1833: Argentine Confederation had a settlement on the Malvinas

1833: The United Kingdom asserts sovereignty over the Malvinas and calls this sovereign British territory the Falkland Islands.

1833-1982: The UK essentially leaves it's settlement in the Malvinas to do its own thing. Aside from local government support from the UK Foreign Office. Around this time Argentina is (again) in a shit state and the head honchos decide that to get some national unity happening they'll go and militarily invade the Malvinas. When the British, so many thousands of miles away, give up without a shot being fired, said Argie head honcho would get masses of street cred and would be crowned el Presidente for life. Unfortunately for el Presidente, the Poms have a dark side, and being a lethal fucking race, would not let such an affront to British national prestige pass unpunished. They put together a naval fleet/troop convoy and steamed for the Malvinas where they proceeded to kick the living fuck out of the Argentine occupation forces and send them home with their tail between their legs.

2013: If the Argentines want to try and take the Malvinas by force - again, they are gonna get fucked in the arse - again.

The Poms should sell the Malvinas to the Argies then everyone's happy.
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Spain should join Argentina, they are brothers, that will be much more interesting. If Argies go alone, we know what will happen.

Besides, Gibraltar sticks out to Spain like a one big middle finger, so together with Argies they may possibly have a chance.


Bring it on.
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Brits in argentina, brits in Africa, brits everywhere except near the motherland, don't you feel like there's a roundup brewing in the UK while the boyz are out to fight useless wars ?
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Fighting for oil and gas is not really a useless war.


And no British government will survive an armed take-over of the Falklands by another country.
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Fighting for oil and gas is not really a useless war.


And no British government will survive an armed take-over of the Falklands by another country.
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The current gov reelection, yes, that's worth some thousands dead bodies, business as usual, and the promised EU referendum flips over to support the troops campain.
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It's clear that the Malvinas belong to Argentina - the Islands are just off the Argentine coast FFS. The British only want to hang on to the "Falklands" because there's some oil potential, but still they are doing nothing about it.

What they need to do is sell the Malvinas back to Argentina. That way the Brits get some cash in the kitty and the Argentines can then exploit the oil wealth and put some life back into their economy. The existing inhabitants are automatically granted joint UK/Argentine citizenship and everyone lives happily ever after.

Besides, the Malvinas needs an influx of latin ladies to improve the local genetics - those pasty-faced, frumpy, inbred farmers' wives are an abomination. Just sayin...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31749514


Yeah..except britain had settlers on the falklands decades before argentina's conception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31976082


The UK, France, Spain, Argentina and even the US all have equal claim to the barren subantarctic wasteland known as the Malvinas. Only the UK and Argentina wish to assert it, luckily.

Here's how it all went down...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

1764-1767: France had a settlement on the Malvinas

1765-1770: Great Britain had a settlement on the Malvinas

1767-1811: Spain had a settlement on the Malvinas

1771-1776: Great Britain again had a settlement on the Malvinas

1811-1829: no one had a settlement on the Malvinas

1829-1831: Revolutionary Argentina (United Provinces) had a settlement on the Malvinas

1831-1832: The United States had a settlement on the Malvinas

1832-1833: Argentine Confederation had a settlement on the Malvinas

1833: The United Kingdom asserts sovereignty over the Malvinas and calls this sovereign British territory the Falkland Islands.

1833-1982: The UK essentially leaves it's settlement in the Malvinas to do its own thing. Aside from local government support from the UK Foreign Office. Around this time Argentina is (again) in a shit state and the head honchos decide that to get some national unity happening they'll go and militarily invade the Malvinas. When the British, so many thousands of miles away, give up without a shot being fired, said Argie head honcho would get masses of street cred and would be crowned el Presidente for life. Unfortunately for el Presidente, the Poms have a dark side, and being a lethal fucking race, would not let such an affront to British national prestige pass unpunished. They put together a naval fleet/troop convoy and steamed for the Malvinas where they proceeded to kick the living fuck out of the Argentine occupation forces and send them home with their tail between their legs.

2013: If the Argentines want to try and take the Malvinas by force - again, they are gonna get fucked in the arse - again.

The Poms should sell the Malvinas to the Argies then everyone's happy.
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THISS

Basically spot fucking on.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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I would like to go to the islands and greet each habitant without any problem...
wars are useless and only generate political benefits...
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Britain needs to be nuked.

Money hungry cunts.
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Yes we have fewer vessels but they are far more capable than in 82.

Where as Argentina has stood still in its capabilities.

Still Iif the Falklanders want to stay British it's up to them.
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I am getting unconfirmed rumors that to defend the island the uk gov is sending HMS Belfast. And HMS cutty sark

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