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Is democracy sustainable?

 
fellowearthling
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Is democracy sustainable?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No... that's why our founding fathers created a democracy.


The majority is always persuaded by propaganda, which leads to maniacal power hungry people ending up in power disobeying the law, because the masses want it. Fear is a very useful tool in democracy.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No... that's why our founding fathers created a democracy.


The majority is always persuaded by propaganda, which leads to maniacal power hungry people ending up in power disobeying the law, because the masses want it. Fear is a very useful tool in democracy.
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I meant our founding fathers created a republic
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
Who knows, they haven't tried it yet.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
what democracy?

there is no country in the world that employs democracy, not one!
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and
capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and
finite resources.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
Is democracy sustainable? scratching
 Quoting: fellowearthling


We are not a Democracy...we are a Republic.
fellowearthling (OP)

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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No... that's why our founding fathers created a democracy.


The majority is always persuaded by propaganda, which leads to maniacal power hungry people ending up in power disobeying the law, because the masses want it. Fear is a very useful tool in democracy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28822130


I meant our founding fathers created a republic
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28822130



A republic which morphed into one of the
'leading democracies' - appearing to show
a few cracks in the structure now, eh!

The maniacs do seem to have the power
which is ironical given the initial intent -
to empower ALL the citizens...
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and
capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and
finite resources.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


There are technologies that can be employed that would let mankind have infinite resources if used correctly however TPTB do not want that. They want a world full of slaves.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
Who knows, they haven't tried it yet.
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Who are 'they'?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
what democracy?

there is no country in the world that employs democracy, not one!
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The charades continue ad-nauseum, eh?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
Who knows, they haven't tried it yet.
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Who are 'they'?
 Quoting: fellowearthling


Every country on earth
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and
capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and
finite resources.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


Can the market operate differently?

Is there a more natural alternative?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and
capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and
finite resources.
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No the economic structure and government structure are two separate things.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
Is democracy sustainable? scratching
 Quoting: fellowearthling


We are not a Democracy...we are a Republic.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


A republic that actively spreads democracy, eh?

Why not spread republicanism?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No, democracy (and republic) are the easiest types of government to subvert.
All the ones in the American continent have already been.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
The life Expectancy of a Democracy.
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh
had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government.

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.

During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back to bondage.”

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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and
capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and
finite resources.
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There are technologies that can be employed that would let mankind have infinite resources if used correctly however TPTB do not want that. They want a world full of slaves.
 Quoting: Mr. D 4603964


It will take a collective effort to change this...

The 'Re-Abolition of Slavery'
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
Is democracy sustainable? scratching
 Quoting: fellowearthling


We are not a Democracy...we are a Republic.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


You are kidding yourself.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and
capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and
finite resources.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


No the economic structure and government structure are two separate things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28822130


What if we applied market forces
to our government(s)?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No, democracy (and republic) are the easiest types of government to subvert.
All the ones in the American continent have already been.
 Quoting: Zombietard


Not only there either.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
The life Expectancy of a Democracy.
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh
had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government.

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.

During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back to bondage.”

tytler
 Quoting: Life's-A-Bitch


Is this cycle unbreakable?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
the economic problems today are the fault of the fiat currency, not democracy
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a government study in 2008 and again in 2012 showed over 50% of the measured population were really, really stupid

“Barack Obama thinks his job is to lead the mob, not the country.”
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
Life itself is barely sustainable, who cares. We kill our prophets.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
The life Expectancy of a Democracy.
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh
had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government.

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.

During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back to bondage.”

tytler
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Is this cycle unbreakable?
 Quoting: fellowearthling


Ahhh...that is the question isn't it?
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and
capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and
finite resources.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


Can the market operate differently?

Is there a more natural alternative?
 Quoting: fellowearthling


One does not need to point out an alternative to know
the current syistem will fail.
Anarchism/hybrids are the future.
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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No... that's why our founding fathers created a democracy.


The majority is always persuaded by propaganda, which leads to maniacal power hungry people ending up in power disobeying the law, because the masses want it. Fear is a very useful tool in democracy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28822130


No. They created a REPUBLIC... NOT a democracy.
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01/12/2013 11:54 PM

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Re: Is democracy sustainable?
No... that's why our founding fathers created a republic.
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That's a very specific use of the word republic.
The rest of the world calls it a liberal democracy.
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