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if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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this is the same amount of silence I've gotten my whole life asking this question...
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
People blame the devil because lucifer is a dick. God who is Jesum Christum created lucifer as he did with all souls and spirits. One day in heaven lucifer got bored and decided to defy Jesum Christum so he fell into hell that was created by Jesum Christum for the devil and all the other angels who wanted to follow lucifer. For some reason Jesum Christum has come up with some kind of competition with the devil for souls. Jesum Christum gave lucifer any power he wanted to get souls to believe that he was God instead of Jesum Christum. I have no idea why Jesum Christum did this but I do know that you better understand that Jesum Christum is God to get through the door to heaven when you die. The devil will use every single trick in the book to get you on your knees to him and get you to bring others there too. When you do make your choice and bow to lucifer he will make you do horrid things to yourself and others. A witch confessed that they sold their soul to the devil and joined the freemasons and they made her poo on into her newborn baby's mouth to appease lucifer.
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*crickets*

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
God created porn? God taught human enchantments and sorcery?
You are wrong rethink your theory.
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God created porn? God taught human enchantments and sorcery?
You are wrong rethink your theory.
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When you give yourself to the devil he will give you powers. The powers are from God who is Jesum Christum given to lucifer. Jesum Christum wants to know who you will choose him or the devil. This life is a test. God created everything even the ability to make and watch porno. I think you can do anything you want but don't bow down to the devil.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
this is the same amount of silence I've gotten my whole life asking this question...
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Yup! The chrispies don't like awkward questions...or rather, intelligent questions.
When you put their entire belief system under the spotlight they tend to take a backrow seat :-)
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God created porn? God taught human enchantments and sorcery?
You are wrong rethink your theory.
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if god created everything how can it be separate from anything? it's all part of the same. Bad is just a frame of reference
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
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There is only God my friends.

Satan is a creation of Man as a scape goat. He is who we like to blame for the things we do out of anger, pain, desperation, and "negative" emotions which stem from trauma.

Man seems to have a hard time accepting a God who creates both good and evil, so he creates a benevolent being God, and a malevolent being, Satan.

The Truth is that the very same spirit which is God is within all of us as an image.

Thus we are all capable of creating good and evil.

Evil derives from the painful experiences we have in early childhood development. Thus evil begets evil and good begets good.

The only way to rid the world of evil is with healing those who are suffering.

They are after all, images of our common creator as much as anyone else. Only they have been treated very badly from the start of their life.

When we are no longer ashamed to acknowledge the divinity in all of us, then will the world begin to heal, and evil will slither away.

This will not happen as long as we compete rather than cooperate for our survival.
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God created porn? God taught human enchantments and sorcery?
You are wrong rethink your theory.
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lol uh no, he is right. god created man, man created porn, therefore god created porn. god created anything and everything you see in the universe, no exceptions just because its bad.
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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
 Quoting: acegotflows


God created everything. Everything is positive or negative energy. The negative teaches us to change our ways in order to become positive. Some fall into negativity and never get out of it due to the fake reality we are stuck in. God is everywhere and everything.

Peace
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People blame 'God' and 'Satan' for things because they lack the responsibility and maturity to take responsibility for their lives.

"It's not my years of poor choices fucking me over, it's Satan!"

Just another way for irresponsible people to absolve themselves of guilt.
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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
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There is only God my friends.

Satan is a creation of Man as a scape goat. He is who we like to blame for the things we do out of anger, pain, desperation, and "negative" emotions which stem from trauma.

Man seems to have a hard time accepting a God who creates both good and evil, so he creates a benevolent being God, and a malevolent being, Satan.

The Truth is that the very same spirit which is God is within all of us as an image.

Thus we are all capable of creating good and evil.

Evil derives from the painful experiences we have in early childhood development. Thus evil begets evil and good begets good.

The only way to rid the world of evil is with healing those who are suffering.

They are after all, images of our common creator as much as anyone else. Only they have been treated very badly from the start of their life.

When we are no longer ashamed to acknowledge the divinity in all of us, then will the world begin to heal, and evil will slither away.

This will not happen as long as we compete rather than cooperate for our survival.
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I should add that those who know this are your clergy.

Yet they keep it from you so that you cannot fix the world, yourselves, and make it the Kingdom of Heaven it is supposed to be.

They keep it from you so that they can maintain their power and prestige.

And this is what Jesus was crucified for.

For trying to bring this good news to YOU!
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
free will
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free will
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Indeed.

Free will.

And that is something that will not be interfered with.

You were not created to be God's robots, but rather were created with everything you need as Man to survive and thrive here.

You all have to just stop fighting over his garden, and get to making it the paradise it was supposed to be.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
well we all want to go thru life knowing people will get whats coming to them. i mean if they dont how is that fair. all of that is human emotion, the need for revenge. satan and hell is revenge. nothing godly about revenge.
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well we all want to go thru life knowing people will get whats coming to them. i mean if they dont how is that fair. all of that is human emotion, the need for revenge. satan and hell is revenge. nothing godly about revenge.
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Exactly.

He who seeks revenge should dig two graves.

One for his adversary,

and one for himself.

Love your enemies...

Love those who hate you.
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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
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And your question about Sin,

There is no Sin in anything you do with a loving heart.

What you do out of spite, for revenge, out of envy, jealousy, hatred, these things are Sin.
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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
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There is only God my friends.

Satan is a creation of Man as a scape goat. He is who we like to blame for the things we do out of anger, pain, desperation, and "negative" emotions which stem from trauma.

Man seems to have a hard time accepting a God who creates both good and evil, so he creates a benevolent being God, and a malevolent being, Satan.

The Truth is that the very same spirit which is God is within all of us as an image.

Thus we are all capable of creating good and evil.

Evil derives from the painful experiences we have in early childhood development. Thus evil begets evil and good begets good.

The only way to rid the world of evil is with healing those who are suffering.

They are after all, images of our common creator as much as anyone else. Only they have been treated very badly from the start of their life.

When we are no longer ashamed to acknowledge the divinity in all of us, then will the world begin to heal, and evil will slither away.

This will not happen as long as we compete rather than cooperate for our survival.
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Oh I get it, but a lot of people don't seem to. I've gotten it my whole life. I rejected the programming and have lost and such because of it. I'm just living it now. We can be co-creators in everything. Learn the lessons, improve on you and watch the source manifest.

We have to make a conscious effort to stop the separation and start REAL learning. Divinity trumps domination if you allow it to flow through you...
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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Oh I get it, but a lot of people don't seem to. I've gotten it my whole life. I rejected the programming and have lost and such because of it. I'm just living it now. We can be co-creators in everything. Learn the lessons, improve on you and watch the source manifest.

We have to make a conscious effort to stop the separation and start REAL learning. Divinity trumps domination if you allow it to flow through you...
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If you get it my friend, then all you can do is live it.

No one else can get it if they do not want to.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
Respecting free will is Gods greatest love.

Lucifer could sin, man could sin.

But its still freewill. And God respects that even if he knew Lucifer would tarnish that gift.

People always say "why does God allow evil if he's so great?"

Well if God always intervened that would be the greatest cop out in existence.

Example. If you always gave into your child's demands the child wouldn't grow, but become a dependent.

This is what is happening to the world right now, no one wants to take responsibility. People are too dependent on the system that's why this place is getting eviler and eviler by the second.
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Humans know as much about their existence as super mario knows about his.
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Respecting free will is Gods greatest love.

Lucifer could sin, man could sin.

But its still freewill. And God respects that even if he knew Lucifer would tarnish that gift.

People always say "why does God allow evil if he's so great?"

Well if God always intervened that would be the greatest cop out in existence.

Example. If you always gave into your child's demands the child wouldn't grow, but become a dependent.

This is what is happening to the world right now, no one wants to take responsibility. People are too dependent on the system that's why this place is getting eviler and eviler by the second.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
Great Question OP!

Here's a response I used in another thread along the same lines-

How can you religi-tards have such a simplistic idea of what GOD is!

Do the words OMNIPOTENT OR OMNIPRESENT mean anything to you????

I'll try to keep this simple......

What you call God, or what other religions call by whatever name......is not some judgemental douche up in the clouds.

God is.....Reality itself. What else can an all powerful being be??? This includes everyone and everything in every dimension and time throughout the multiverse. It is all ONE. You are as much God as any other person/thing. The only difference is how much you "remember".

If "God" created all of "this" and was omnipotent- that means he knew EXACTLY what "sin & perversion" all of his creations would do long before he even made them, RIGHT???

And don't bring up that "free will" crap either......an all knowing God would KNOW the "future" and what will happen. Or is your God not all powerful??? HMMM????


SOooooooo----- all the "sin & perversion" was in God's mind to begin with. It had to be because God knows ALL. GOD IS ALL. (He's a big perv, really)

Do you REALLY believe God would have children KNOWING IN ADVANCE they would sin and he was going to fry them forever?

Wow...What a great Dad!
Does anyone else smell douche?

That's one fucked up God I want no part of thank you.

Personally I have had a full blown spiritual awakening and have seen and felt the awe and glory of what GOD really is. And it is something so far beyond the bible that you would pee yourself if you even caught a glimpse.

Get over yourself and your self righteous religion bent on Hell and War and Killing everyone that doesn't worship your God and your precious bible!!!!!

You really think that's what God wants???

Hahahahaha.....

Maybe YOU"RE the omnipotent one and not God?

Yea I doubt that.

Anyway love to All and Happy New Year!

Maybe your resolution should be to burn that EVIL FUCKING BOOK and try to discover God within yourself where it has been all along.

Namaste.
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I guess some people still don't know the value of freewill.

Losing your soul it worse then rape, murder, starvation and all those other evil things.

Losing your freewill is worse then being MKULTRA'ed x1000000

God is the ultimate respecter of freewill. And that is perfect love.
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God gave us free will. And sometimes humans (and angels) use that free will for heinously unwise decisions.

The fallen angels - including lucifer - used their free will in a horribly wrong way.

"..why do people still blame the "devil"?"

because that's where the blame belongs.
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I guess some people still don't know the value of freewill.

Losing your soul it worse then rape, murder, starvation and all those other evil things.

Losing your freewill is worse then being MKULTRA'ed x1000000

God is the ultimate respecter of freewill. And that is perfect love.
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Yay.
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Sorry the Devil Made Me Do It!

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There's no way that you're serious. You ARE aware of free will are you not? He tells us to do good and unfortunately most don't listen. Which is why society and the media are so anti-God. So, who is to blame then? If a parent takes patient love and time to teach you right from wrong and you choose to do wrong, it is not the fault of the parent and don't be mad when you get that much needed spanking. Cased closed, this thread is a waste of space.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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There's no way that you're serious. You ARE aware of free will are you not? He tells us to do good and unfortunately most don't listen. Which is why society and the media are so anti-God. So, who is to blame then? If a parent takes patient love and time to teach you right from wrong and you choose to do wrong, it is not the fault of the parent and don't be mad when you get that much needed spanking. Cased closed, this thread is a waste of space.
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why do you assume so much? Do you not understand the concept of if a creator made it, even if his creation made something the CREATOR MADE THEM so THE CREATOR IS RESPONSIBLE. Who is casting blame? It's quite clear by simple principle of if...then. People defend their faiths too much. Faith is something you cannot prove. And faith makes you ignore truth because of it.

That being said, God and Satan are the same just a different polarity. Once you get balanced in mind and alkaline level you quit making excuses for dogma and religion mind programming.

You know how you can tell a programmed mind? By the concepts and the us vs them/good vs bas argument. Once you realize that truth is relative and start to ask yourself real questions you see who is lying and who isn't. Most of our info is disinfo. So you have to truly get into from your gut and intention. Religion can be a good thing if you are honest and use your free will to truly question it. The devil isn't evil, it's just a function of God- if you believe in those concepts.

The fact you are so dismissive and call this thread a waste of space (and those bible quotes on your signature) show that you are on the losing side of the battle and have no real explanation for your beliefs. I wish you the best and hope you take an ACTIVE role in your free will, rather than blaming...
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There's no way that you're serious. You ARE aware of free will are you not? He tells us to do good and unfortunately most don't listen. Which is why society and the media are so anti-God. So, who is to blame then? If a parent takes patient love and time to teach you right from wrong and you choose to do wrong, it is not the fault of the parent and don't be mad when you get that much needed spanking. Cased closed, this thread is a waste of space.
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Dominion vs domination. When has violence produced anything but more violence? Either self inflicted or from others. These are all slave constructs to keep a slave in line. You want to change things, question authority. If it's real, your questions won't be met with such opposition. If it's fake, it will do whatever to keep control. Free will doesn't just mean accept certain things and not others. You have the choice to be godlike, starting with your body and what you put in it. Practice being all powerful, all-knowing all aware of YOURSELF. Gotta do that before you can start thinking clearly.

look at the words you are using in your argument. First thing you do is dismiss. Then you belittle. Then you make an excuse of people going against a dictator. Then you say that "they" are against God. Then you make an analogy that isn't even similar to what God is in relation to us. Then you throw in corporal punishment. Then you say you have made your point and once again dismiss.

And somehow that makes you correct?

why do you assume so much? Do you not understand the concept of if a creator made it, even if his creation made something the CREATOR MADE THEM so THE CREATOR IS RESPONSIBLE. Who is casting blame? It's quite clear by simple principle of if...then. People defend their faiths too much. Faith is something you cannot prove. And faith makes you ignore truth because of it.

That being said, God and Satan are the same just a different polarity. Once you get balanced in mind and alkaline level you quit making excuses for dogma and religion mind programming.

You know how you can tell a programmed mind? By the concepts and the us vs them/good vs bas argument. Once you realize that truth is relative and start to ask yourself real questions you see who is lying and who isn't. Most of our info is disinfo. So you have to truly get into from your gut and intention. Religion can be a good thing if you are honest and use your free will to truly question it. The devil isn't evil, it's just a function of God- if you believe in those concepts.

The fact you are so dismissive and call this thread a waste of space (and those bible quotes on your signature) show that you are on the losing side of the battle and have no real explanation for your beliefs. I wish you the best and hope you take an ACTIVE role in your free will, rather than blaming...
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